Should Carl Froch be admitted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame?

What do you think?

Has he done enough in his career to be worthy of the IBHOF?

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Originally Posted by Freedom

What do you think?

Has he done enough in his career to be worthy of the IBHOF?

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Sure and based on some that have got in he's a shoe-in. He definitely gets on the ballet.

I don't know what the criteria is to be entered in the IBHOF , but if Froch gets in, it can't be particularly elite.

look at the names over last 15 years - he's a dead cert

As much as I like Barry Mcguigan as a person I didn't think he did enough to get in

Well it is the Hall of "Fame".

Gatti is in there, so why not Froch?

Going along with what everyone has said, sure since it has turned into a joke anyways

Froch beat enough top guys in his era to make the HOF, just maybe not in his first year of eligibility.

Welcome to the club champ!

Only if we don't have to hear him give an acceptance speech

Yea he has to be. Sometimes it comes down the contribution the man gives to the sport, and Froch has contributed alot. The guy is a warrior, was in some great fights, even beat guys I and many others expected to beat him. He also filled an 80,000 seater stadium and while many don't advocate box office in this country, at least the fights he had on box office against Kessler & groves were actually worth the money.

Froch deserves every bit of respect and has fought everyone.

Expect him back in a year.

There are a couple hof clubs. One is held in Vegas. The one i respect is canastota HOF.
Yes he deserves first bid.

I think this year bowe was inducted. Set aside his trilogy with Holy,a case could be made he didn't deserve it either.

Weird. Froch will get inducted before Hopkins. 2020 he is eligible.

I think he deserves it.

He's more of a ring warrior than many others - for example, he fought for world titles in his opponents' home countries (Taylor, Kessler, etc). That's something prima donnas like Floyd Mayweather and Andre Ward would never do.

And Carl never demanded an opponent wear gloves with extra padding, like Floyd did.

Froch will definitely get in!

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

look at the names over last 15 years - he's a dead cert

As much as I like Barry Mcguigan as a person I didn't think he did enough to get in

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I presume he got in based on what was going on out of the ring at the time he was fighting. But in saying that its not exactly an exclusive list.

Blimey, the whole of Saddo's in agreement (well, almost). Miracle.

He's a shoo-in.

Should he get in? No. Will he get in? Yes.

As stated earlier, he didn't duck anyone, and went across the world fighting the best during super six.

More of an internationally recognised and respected pro boxer than say Andre Ward or other so called greats still fighting.

A shoe in for HOF. Am not a big fan, but respect and it is due here.

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Originally Posted by sanatogen

As stated earlier, he didn't duck anyone, and went across the world fighting the best during super six.

More of an internationally recognised and respected pro boxer than say Andre Ward or other so called greats still fighting.

A shoe in for HOF. Am not a big fan, but respect and it is due here.

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He's ducked quite a few recently , especially with the Chavez - Vegas saga , spitting his dummy out at every other possible opponent mentioned.
I also don't think he is more respected than Ward. Although Ward has let himself down with non-activity in the last few years, He is light years ahead of Froch in every facet of Boxing, and ultimately that is the most important thing Surely?
The IBHOF is clearly a load of bollocks if any World Champion can get in. Shouldn't it be more elitist than that ?
Still Sylvester Stallone is in, so I kind of think that says it all really.

He ducked Andre Ward.

He ducked James De Gale too, and that really saying something isnt it? :p

who gives a fuck

american bollox

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Originally Posted by hmmfe

Should he get in? No. Will he get in? Yes.

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Would you care to elaborate and do so objectively?

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Originally Posted by sanatogen

He ducked James De Gale too, and that really saying something isnt it? :p

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He retired. Surely you can't duck someone if you are not fighting again?

I was being sarcastic in reply to previous poster :)

I'm hoping that the agreement is that the HOF is a joke so he is getting in because he definitely was never an elite fighter. He was a good fighter. That's the extent of it.

International -- people from any country
Boxing -- Froch did that
Hall -- a place
Fame -- he's famous!

Seems like he qualifies.

Yeah of course, very impressive resume.

He could have took another shot at Ward.

Imagine if he beat Ward with a groves shot...just imagine.

He could have at least gave it another go like kessler.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Would you care to elaborate and do so objectively?

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I'm not sure I can since the question is mostly a subjective one. But, I don't think he should be in the Hall of Fame since he was not "the guy" in his division at any point during his career.

I suppose you could argue that someone need not be "the champ" in cases where he was avoided and did not ever get a championship fight. I also think you could just have one of the titles and not the lineal title too. But, you have to be the guy at some point in any division where you have fought. He had the opportunity to be the guy but fell short. So, he falls short of the Hall too.

I don't mean this to be a slight on the career of Carl. I just have a different standard for entering the Hall than some.

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Originally Posted by hmmfe

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Would you care to elaborate and do so objectively?

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I'm not sure I can since the question is mostly a subjective one. But, I don't think he should be in the Hall of Fame since he was not "the guy" in his division at any point during his career.

I suppose you could argue that someone need not be "the champ" in cases where he was avoided and did not ever get a championship fight. I also think you could just have one of the titles and not the lineal title too. But, you have to be the guy at some point in any division where you have fought. He had the opportunity to be the guy but fell short. So, he falls short of the Hall too.

I don't mean this to be a slight on the career of Carl. I just have a different standard for entering the Hall than some.

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See and that's the problem. There is no criteria for induction. No mandate to even gauge by. A collection of suits get together and snort coke and drink beer and depending on the emotions of the moment they attempt to measure up. There are obvious defaults that everyone would agree on but they dont stop there.

They will induct Gatti but not Bennie Briscoe.
Bowe gets in but no Overlin
Mancini gets in but no Dejesus
McGuigan gets in but no Curry
Blackburn gets in for trainer of Louis but not as an atg lightweight. Its like he never got a title so he's exempt like many others but Gans owned it and there was only one to be had.

Everybody gets in and nobody does. I agree with you btw that its just to lax but should Ward get in for the Super 6 alone? He dominated a tournament of people lots believe should not be in the hall or be classed as Atg so why should he be eligible? How did Zivic get in? The guy lost 65 times.

Carl has done more then enough to qualify for the shifting foundations of the IBHF.

To all those saying Carl ducked Ward that's a laugh. He fought and lost to a prime one. Ward was on strike for 4 years while Carl fought on so again its Ward that for some reason wanted to fight a guy he already beat after resting for 1460 days and at the end of the mans career.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

See and that's the problem. There is no criteria for induction. No mandate to even gauge by. A collection of suits get together and snort coke and drink beer and depending on the emotions of the moment they attempt to measure up. There are obvious defaults that everyone would agree on but they dont stop there.

They will induct Gatti but not Bennie Briscoe.
Bowe gets in but no Overlin
Mancini gets in but no Dejesus
McGuigan gets in but no Curry
Blackburn gets in for trainer of Louis but not as an atg lightweight. Its like he never got a title so he's exempt like many others but Gans owned it and there was only one to be had.

Everybody gets in and nobody does. I agree with you btw that its just to lax but should Ward get in for the Super 6 alone? He dominated a tournament of people lots believe should not be in the hall or be classed as Atg so why should he be eligible? How did Zivic get in? The guy lost 65 times.

Carl has done more then enough to qualify for the shifting foundations of the IBHF.

To all those saying Carl ducked Ward that's a laugh. He fought and lost to a prime one. Ward was on strike for 4 years while Carl fought on so again its Ward that for some reason wanted to fight a guy he already beat after resting for 1460 days and at the end of the mans career.

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All good points. The way I see it, the Hall of Fame is either 1) literally that, or 2) recognition of outstanding achievement in boxing. If the former, people like Gatti and perhaps Froch get in. If the latter, they don't. I am good with either definition but definitions don't have much meaning unless there is more or less unanimous agreement.

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Originally Posted by hmmfe

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

See and that's the problem. There is no criteria for induction. No mandate to even gauge by. A collection of suits get together and snort coke and drink beer and depending on the emotions of the moment they attempt to measure up. There are obvious defaults that everyone would agree on but they dont stop there.

They will induct Gatti but not Bennie Briscoe.
Bowe gets in but no Overlin
Mancini gets in but no Dejesus
McGuigan gets in but no Curry
Blackburn gets in for trainer of Louis but not as an atg lightweight. Its like he never got a title so he's exempt like many others but Gans owned it and there was only one to be had.

Everybody gets in and nobody does. I agree with you btw that its just to lax but should Ward get in for the Super 6 alone? He dominated a tournament of people lots believe should not be in the hall or be classed as Atg so why should he be eligible? How did Zivic get in? The guy lost 65 times.

Carl has done more then enough to qualify for the shifting foundations of the IBHF.

To all those saying Carl ducked Ward that's a laugh. He fought and lost to a prime one. Ward was on strike for 4 years while Carl fought on so again its Ward that for some reason wanted to fight a guy he already beat after resting for 1460 days and at the end of the mans career.

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All good points. The way I see it, the Hall of Fame is either 1) literally that, or 2) recognition of outstanding achievement in boxing. If the former, people like Gatti and perhaps Froch get in. If the latter, they don't. I am good with either definition but definitions don't have much meaning unless there is more or less unanimous agreement.

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Yeah its a shame that those who decide dont have a criteria or even a basic code. That way they could tell the public what it is so it could then be applied both inside and outside it. It should not have to be so subjective. Does the fighter in question meet the criteria set forth in a mandate. They have no criteria and no mandate. That is why those that should get in dont and those that shouldn't do.

There is alot of people that should not be in the hall of fame but they are i mean if it was meant for atg then yea not for Froch but it is not so he should get in. I mean the people in it are worse then the standard use to be so i guess might as well let all the good champs in.

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Originally Posted by hmmfe

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Would you care to elaborate and do so objectively?

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I'm not sure I can since the question is mostly a subjective one. But, I don't think he should be in the Hall of Fame since he was not "the guy" in his division at any point during his career.

I suppose you could argue that someone need not be "the champ" in cases where he was avoided and did not ever get a championship fight. I also think you could just have one of the titles and not the lineal title too. But, you have to be the guy at some point in any division where you have fought. He had the opportunity to be the guy but fell short. So, he falls short of the Hall too.

I don't mean this to be a slight on the career of Carl. I just have a different standard for entering the Hall than some.

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Right, so you have a higher standard for entry than the people who run the actual HOF and would presumably retrospectively eject the scores of people already in the hall who have achieved less than Carl Froch. Got you :)

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

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Originally Posted by hmmfe

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Would you care to elaborate and do so objectively?

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I'm not sure I can since the question is mostly a subjective one. But, I don't think he should be in the Hall of Fame since he was not "the guy" in his division at any point during his career.

I suppose you could argue that someone need not be "the champ" in cases where he was avoided and did not ever get a championship fight. I also think you could just have one of the titles and not the lineal title too. But, you have to be the guy at some point in any division where you have fought. He had the opportunity to be the guy but fell short. So, he falls short of the Hall too.

I don't mean this to be a slight on the career of Carl. I just have a different standard for entering the Hall than some.

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Right, so you have a higher standard for entry than the people who run the actual HOF and would presumably retrospectively eject the scores of people already in the hall who have achieved less than Carl Froch. Got you :)

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I'm really not looking to stir the shit up here, but I think you're being a touch harsh on hmmfe here. No doubt that with current standards, Froch will get in. In hmmfe's opinion , should he? no. Because hmmfe feels it should be more elite than that, and tbh I agree. That's not an insult to Froch personally, just a bit of a general observation.
That doesn't mean that hmmfe is looking to change the World or thinks he knows better than the powers that be and consequently wants to call up Sly Stallone for example and say "sorry Sly, you've never truly stepped in a ring in your life, you're out, but if Disney ever open up a "Boxing World, we'll give you a call."
He's just expressed an opinion and after all, that's what a forum is for , no? :)

"Should Carl Froch be admitted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame?"

If he buys a ticket, why not? Right guys? Yuk yuk yuk

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Right, so you have a higher standard for entry than the people who run the actual HOF

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I suppose I do. Nothing wrong with that. I can't imagine there are a lot of people out there that have exactly the same standard as the "people who run the actual HOF". So, that would mean most people have a different standard - either higher or lower.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

and would presumably retrospectively eject the scores of people already in the hall who have achieved less than Carl Froch.

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You presume too much.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Got you :)

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No, I don't think you do.

Your is not whether Froch is good enough for the HOF, it's whether the HOF is good enough for you.