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For 38 years old floyd looked in great condition but his accuracy and timing is slowly diminishing and he really might have only one fight left in him.
Whether we love or hate him we cant ignore his skillset..he is the best of this era.
What minor things or slippage have you noticed about floyds last performance and how will these minute flaws hinder him if he was to ever fight another 6 times.
As long as he keeps on the juice and ducks the young guns his timing and accuracy will remain impeccable.
Yup, I would get Floyd fights just for that jab which was, imo, the best in boxing and probably one of the best ever. Noticed the last couple of fights it hasn't been what it was. Floyd's relying even more on his ability not to get hit. So, even with the noticeable slippage, he still isn't getting hit. If course not getting hit by Andre Berri is not that much to brag about. Floyd admitted he cherry picks, he stated it is part of his greatness. Perhaps him picking Bed to is the biggest sign of his slippage.
There have been many signs Floyd was slipping for years. His balance has been worse and worse and that effects accuracy. And more and more regularly he gets hit flush. Maidana knocked a tooth out. Shane staggered him, Zab put him down, manny caught him with 2 good shots, Betto even landed a couple. Gone are the days when he would go years between getting landed on solid. I know people are desperate to see him lose but nobody should want to see a man lose only because he's old. People should want to see him beaten by a better fighter. That fighter simply is not out there so let the faded champ walk away.
Damon, you brought up a couple things I forgot but did he get a tooth knocked out, I don't think I heard anything about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Floyd has done stuff defensively and offensively that i had never seen and that you won't see for years...
His timing at being offensively active when his opponents were retreating after missing their offensive sequence has been genius work for a decade now. His composure and execution has been second to none
Sir, I understand what you're saying but inexperience and aging are a part of boxing/being human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
If a boxer loses through inexperience or aging he was beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Floyd has been fighting younger fighters for a few years and before that older fighters. I would say he was the better fighter in all those fights because he won. If Floyd fights again and does lose he will have been beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Will be interesting to see who agrees with me.
No he didn't. Some fans don't even know what a gum shield is (and will believe anything).Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
I cant agree its impossible to say beat by the better fighter. By the better fighter on the night ,yeah ok, although as you say it is a part of boxing. Kostya beat Chavez on age. Hatton beat Kostya on age,Pac beat Oscar on age,even SRL got done on age.the list goes on all those fights would of been a different fight if the younger great fighters had met the aged ones at the same height in their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedSir, I understand what you're saying but inexperience and aging are a part of boxing/being human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
If a boxer loses through inexperience or ageing he was beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Floyd has been fighting younger fighters for a few years and before that older fighters. I would say he was the better fighter in all those fights because he won. If Floyd fights again and does lose he will have been beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Will be interesting to see who agrees with me.
Better fighter on that night. Sure, I agree with that. There have been many results reversed in rematches.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreI cant agree its impossible to say beat by the better fighter. By the better fighter on the night ,yeah ok, although as you say it is a part of boxing. Kostya beat Chavez on age. Hatton beat Kostya on age,Pac beat Oscar on age,even SRL got done on age.the list goes on all those fights would of been a different fight if the younger great fighters had met the aged ones at the same height in their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedSir, I understand what you're saying but inexperience and aging are a part of boxing/being human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
If a boxer loses through inexperience or ageing he was beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Floyd has been fighting younger fighters for a few years and before that older fighters. I would say he was the better fighter in all those fights because he won. If Floyd fights again and does lose he will have been beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Will be interesting to see who agrees with me.
I just don't think it's correct to tell a winner his win didn't really count for much because the other fighter was inexperienced or aging even if I do understand the logic.😳 Yeah, it gets fuzzy.😏
Indeed. Our kingdom is just like the rest of the animal kingdom. When two moose go at it in the rut prime vs prime, one is the better moose on the day. The other guy could have slipped or had a bad strategy. There are cases where they have found to dead with their racks locked together. Its more likely that he lost his harem to a younger stronger male. A male that may have lost to the others the older bull had beaten. A lion is usually well past his prime when the young gun waltzes in and sends him off to be a nomad and most likely die. That same lion would not have considered it even a year earlier. So he gets beat by a guy that could not have carried his tail in his prime. As Ron points out, Floyd has been on a steady slide for about 3 years now and he does run the risk should he go for 50 of getting beat by someone who would not have had a chance even 2 years ago. If there is one statistical flaw in the sport its "name rec" Many, many fighters have made names for themselves beating house hold names that were shadows of their former selves. Some even cashed out early. " Hi my name is Park Si-Hun. I beat Roy Jones at the Olympics. May I take your order";DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreI cant agree its impossible to say beat by the better fighter. By the better fighter on the night ,yeah ok, although as you say it is a part of boxing. Kostya beat Chavez on age. Hatton beat Kostya on age,Pac beat Oscar on age,even SRL got done on age.the list goes on all those fights would of been a different fight if the younger great fighters had met the aged ones at the same height in their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedSir, I understand what you're saying but inexperience and aging are a part of boxing/being human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
If a boxer loses through inexperience or ageing he was beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Floyd has been fighting younger fighters for a few years and before that older fighters. I would say he was the better fighter in all those fights because he won. If Floyd fights again and does lose he will have been beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Will be interesting to see who agrees with me.
Walrus makes a good point though because there have been many that defy the odds. Look what Hopkins did at 40 or 40 plus after the second Taylor fight. Thing is though you can still deliver with the tool box Bernard had. With Floyd his whole gig is based on timing, legs and reflex's. He cant turn into Hopkins or Moore to extend his career.
Floyds accuracy and timing is brilliant and his gradual decline and cherry picking demonstrates to me that he did not take drugs. It is a shame he fought in the comfort zone most of the time and did not take challenges that would have made him a true great.
If you follow this you can see video of his tooth flying through the air. Please let me know when you get one thing right, just one. Because so far I have never seen you know anything. Not one thing. You talk a lot but you are wrong every single time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo he didn't. Some fans don't even know what a gum shield is (and will believe anything).Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G1LZX5UkPfM
Perhaps that is a tooth, perhaps Maidana just literally knocked the snot out of him. But what we can see for sure is it's not a f'n humshield as claimed.
When you fight behind your shoulder, like Floyd or James Toney, and you are not afraid of punches...meaning you keep your eyes open...not getting hit is not that difficult. You would be suprised. And, since you aren't afraid of getting hit and are confident in your ability to avoid getting hit, then you just reach out and touch the openings with your right hand, bring the left hook back to the body to get you back behind your shoulder. People treat this like it is a high and mystical art but it is the most simple, most practical and natural way of fighting that there is, with gloves on.
His holes have been widening for a few fights now, Maidana out jabbing him for a couple rounds, had him blinking with a tweeked nose and damn near shouting in corner. I know..he 'choose' to fight that way. His accuracy is on another planet but half the time it was going backwards or moving into the next prevent. Berto landed some ugly clumsy left hooks that he should not have. Everyone waits for that grow old over night fight or surprise, we do it with all top guys. But its a slow erosion really, always happens. Too many top guys hang on showing more and more tough chin or counting on power as the ones coming up only grow stronger and have more to study on the subtle slippage of a fighter. Floyds power is his elusiveness, hand speed and reflex defense..not punching power and willingness or even ability to rely on chin. His timing is great..hope he stays retired!
Maidana can make alot more money fighting because he is seriously tough.
That was not a tooth it was spit.
Does look like a tooth but if Floyd had his mouth piece in I don't think that could happen. Probably was snot from the impact, he'll of a hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIf you follow this you can see video of his tooth flying through the air. Please let me know when you get one thing right, just one. Because so far I have never seen you know anything. Not one thing. You talk a lot but you are wrong every single time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo he didn't. Some fans don't even know what a gum shield is (and will believe anything).Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G1LZX5UkPfM
Perhaps that is a tooth, perhaps Maidana just literally knocked the snot out of him. But what we can see for sure is it's not a f'n humshield as claimed.
Who said it was a gum shield? The point was - how is his tooth flying out of his mouth when he has a gum shield? Think about it, brains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIf you follow this you can see video of his tooth flying through the air. Please let me know when you get one thing right, just one. Because so far I have never seen you know anything. Not one thing. You talk a lot but you are wrong every single time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo he didn't. Some fans don't even know what a gum shield is (and will believe anything).Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G1LZX5UkPfM
Perhaps that is a tooth, perhaps Maidana just literally knocked the snot out of him. But what we can see for sure is it's not a f'n humshield as claimed.
Here is Floyd addressing that silly video - BT: There's a video out there claiming that Maidana knocked out one of your teeth with that shot. Back at the Big Boy Mansion after the fight, I don't remember you having any issues or complaining, but just to set the record straight, did you lose a tooth from that punch?
FM: No, he didn't knock my teeth out. Not at all! He's a strong guy, he's a good puncher, but no, as far as my teeth missing, absolutely not.
FLOYD MAYWEATHER SPEAKS IN-DEPTH ABOUT HIS PERFORMANCE IN MAIDANA REMATCH: "I WAS A DIFFERENT FIGHTER THIS FIGHT"|| FIGHTHYPE.COM
Please let me know when i've not backed up anything i've said with evidence. Thanks.
After reading the first bit, I had an image of Tyson Fury coming in with a set of antlers on.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitIndeed. Our kingdom is just like the rest of the animal kingdom. When two moose go at it in the rut prime vs prime, one is the better moose on the day. The other guy could have slipped or had a bad strategy. There are cases where they have found to dead with their racks locked together. Its more likely that he lost his harem to a younger stronger male. A male that may have lost to the others the older bull had beaten. A lion is usually well past his prime when the young gun waltzes in and sends him off to be a nomad and most likely die. That same lion would not have considered it even a year earlier. So he gets beat by a guy that could not have carried his tail in his prime. As Ron points out, Floyd has been on a steady slide for about 3 years now and he does run the risk should he go for 50 of getting beat by someone who would not have had a chance even 2 years ago. If there is one statistical flaw in the sport its "name rec" Many, many fighters have made names for themselves beating house hold names that were shadows of their former selves. Some even cashed out early. " Hi my name is Park Si-Hun. I beat Roy Jones at the Olympics. May I take your order";DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreI cant agree its impossible to say beat by the better fighter. By the better fighter on the night ,yeah ok, although as you say it is a part of boxing. Kostya beat Chavez on age. Hatton beat Kostya on age,Pac beat Oscar on age,even SRL got done on age.the list goes on all those fights would of been a different fight if the younger great fighters had met the aged ones at the same height in their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedSir, I understand what you're saying but inexperience and aging are a part of boxing/being human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
If a boxer loses through inexperience or ageing he was beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Floyd has been fighting younger fighters for a few years and before that older fighters. I would say he was the better fighter in all those fights because he won. If Floyd fights again and does lose he will have been beaten by a better fighter, in my opinion.
Will be interesting to see who agrees with me.
Walrus makes a good point though because there have been many that defy the odds. Look what Hopkins did at 40 or 40 plus after the second Taylor fight. Thing is though you can still deliver with the tool box Bernard had. With Floyd his whole gig is based on timing, legs and reflex's. He cant turn into Hopkins or Moore to extend his career.
With Floyd though he is the whole package in there at any distance. Not only economy of movement so he can stay in the pocket to counter hard but also take some shots like a sponge or check and spoil a shot before it launches as his body moves around into deal position.Then could also get out and keep distance dancing backwards, side slipping and make the other guy look like he is on a chain, which pisses off the crowds who go to watch him get caught and hurt.I would have loved to have seen him fight from he ground up just once,I have no doubt he could though, not like we saw Marquez do head to head that time but Im sure he could find another way.
Good points but I think with a guy like Floyd once one part of the rolex starts to not be at 100% it then effects all the other mechanisms that seem to work in unison. In effect his perfection and technical superiority makes him more open when it starts to fail because the things he was able to get away with he simply wont be able to execute. That punch he was not there for he now receives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Up until now he has operated like he has a third eye. Sees the punch almost before its thrown. Roy Jones was like that. Off the planet anticipation and the reflexes to go with it. Once he lost that he started getting beat by guys that couldn't carry his gym bag. Ftr I do think he comes back and would most likely bet my left nut on it. The money will be phenomenal. I dont see him waiting 3 years like Leonard to wait on the Kazak to start to decay but I'm certain it will be for some middleweight version.
Now I'm a big RJJ fan, but the thing that separates Floyd from Roy is that Floyd has excellent boxing fundamentals where Roy had freakish athletic abilities and incredible dexterity that allowed him to dominate opponents without being a technical boxer. Floyd is an outstanding boxer with incredible boxing skills. When Roy slipped he didn't have the same fundamentals to fall back on like Floyd does.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitGood points but I think with a guy like Floyd once one part of the rolex starts to not be at 100% it then effects all the other mechanisms that seem to work in unison. In effect his perfection and technical superiority makes him more open when it starts to fail because the things he was able to get away with he simply wont be able to execute. That punch he was not there for he now receives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Up until now he has operated like he has a third eye. Sees the punch almost before its thrown. Roy Jones was like that. Off the planet anticipation and the reflexes to go with it. Once he lost that he started getting beat by guys that couldn't carry his gym bag. Ftr I do think he comes back and would most likely bet my left nut on it. The money will be phenomenal. I dont see him waiting 3 years like Leonard to wait on the Kazak to start to decay but I'm certain it will be for some middleweight version.
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Originally Posted by ruthless roccoNow I'm a big RJJ fan, but the thing that separates Floyd from Roy is that Floyd has excellent boxing fundamentals where Roy had freakish athletic abilities and incredible dexterity that allowed him to dominate opponents without being a technical boxer. Floyd is an outstanding boxer with incredible boxing skills. When Roy slipped he didn't have the same fundamentals to fall back on like Floyd does.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitGood points but I think with a guy like Floyd once one part of the rolex starts to not be at 100% it then effects all the other mechanisms that seem to work in unison. In effect his perfection and technical superiority makes him more open when it starts to fail because the things he was able to get away with he simply wont be able to execute. That punch he was not there for he now receives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Up until now he has operated like he has a third eye. Sees the punch almost before its thrown. Roy Jones was like that. Off the planet anticipation and the reflexes to go with it. Once he lost that he started getting beat by guys that couldn't carry his gym bag. Ftr I do think he comes back and would most likely bet my left nut on it. The money will be phenomenal. I dont see him waiting 3 years like Leonard to wait on the Kazak to start to decay but I'm certain it will be for some middleweight version.
Agreed but I was not really comparing them in that way. I'm simply saying that Floyd is like a fine tuned machine and once those special attributes start to erode a guy who fights the way he does relying on milliseconds could get it wrong. He's got that extra something and once that starts to go his entire mechanism gets effected. A guy like Maidana would have never laid a hand on Floyd for example. He's not ageless and and in a state of entropy just like the rest of us and the tools he uses within it. I think when a special fighter like Floyd starts to really unravel that it will look to many that it happened overnight but I think its a process with a fighter that uses the tools he does.