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The guy made a fair point at the start by saying that he doesn't define himself by the arbitrary borders imposed by an island and statehood, but then he seems to contradict that by trying to control people through the arbitrary borders imposed by his man made faith.
It then got very, very rude with the going around the streets telling people what to do aspect. I am just paraphrasing, but something along the lines of 'Do not dress like that in a Muslim area!'. But you said before you don't believe in arbitrary borders and here you are defining geographic areas! It is aggressive, rude and how dare someone tell another person what to do with their dress sense. You are wearing a dress! I really believe most migrants are decent people and want to just fit in. However, for sure as has been pointed out elsewhere, there are some very peculiar people and they are quite Nazi in their thinking.
What are you Muslim they say,!!!!!!!!!! not British sorry no room in this Country for people like
that imagine that lot in charge, public flogging and hanging.
They should be locked up bully boy's, if they are not happy HERE fuck off to a Country that practices
and lives BY SHARIA LAW, , we tolerate this far to much I imagine they no who to pick on.!
That was in East London. If you've never been there, was put to sleep and woke up there you'd never guess you were in England let alone London.
My understanding is that Detroit here in the US is getting similar to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Well they are in England and need to remember that,! we have the law of the land how can aQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
group roam the streets, insulting people imagine a bunch of Christians doing that, but they don't
so why should they be tolerated.
Fuck them off simple plenty of room in a few middle east Countrys, they would fit in nicely with
there views, if you don't like OUR WAYS fuck off we don't want you simple.
Fuck all religions....you have to be a dimwit or a simpleton to believe in manufactured fairy tales.
The East London mob are converts, they were born here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWell they are in England and need to remember that,! we have the law of the land how can aQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
group roam the streets, insulting people imagine a bunch of Christians doing that, but they don't
so why should they be tolerated.
Fuck them off simple plenty of room in a few middle east Countrys, they would fit in nicely with
there views, if you don't like OUR WAYS fuck off we don't want you simple.
Im heading to East London next month or 2. I'll straighten their converted asses out. I'll convert them to Zoroastrianism. That'll get 'em good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXCMpXqh2vU
The trouble is with this Country we give minority groups to much say and leeway, imagine a
bunch of Christians roaming the street, in a middle east Country doing the same thing,!!!!!
I not what would happen,! off with there heads.;)
We are really stupid Sharia laws have no place in this Country, if they are born here or not Fuck
them off as they say they ARE MUSLIM extremists, and are truly not happy living in the UK.!
Well we are are not happy having them live here are we.?
Remember if you stand by doing nothing, as we do and not act you have trouble like we have now
we have to remember many, so called I was born here bunch are out in the middle east, carrying
out atrocities, and hoping to return with impunity and not answer for there crimes.:mad:
Like Choudry the guy is clearly ignorant and hypocritical. MRC TV is of course a Conservative news organisation designed to broadcast conservatuve value and has it's own agenda and bias. If you want to be outraged you don't have to look very hard. Two or three people are not even really a minority group. If a bunch of white facist skinheads were to go and kick the crap out of them should they be tolerated ? Would they represent other white Christians?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
A huge percentage of Christians believe that if you do not accept Jesus you are going to be tortured for eternity in Hell and are quite happy to insult you by telling you so. It's just like a daily fail argument. The guy in the video pretending that where you are born makes no difference, is as self deluding as Miles in pretending these things do not matter. How can you ever have a true respect for other countries, customs and histories if you can not embrace your own? Immigrants have shaped this country, it's language, customs, traditions, cuisine, and culture since day one, but this land has also shaped those people, whether they be conquering armies, traveling merchants, foreign workers or those born here.
It's true that most of the east end cockney's have moved out to Dagenham or even Essex and that is a great shame. Many of the people that have replaced them are ignorant of that areas rich history let alone the wider British Isles and they should be ashamed. Foolish men who pass that stupidity among themselves and pretend it is somehow enlightening and revealing of some greater truth.
Hmm, not really sure why you are comparing me to the bloke in the video and feel the need to call me self deluding as I ain't deluding anyone. It has been a relatively clean thread free of personal baiting and you were the one asking for there to be less of that recently, so calm yourself down.
Ones relationship with their country is personal and every story is different. People connect to their country in different ways. I will always consider myself British and have a very thorough understanding of my country. It means I accept the good points but will not lie about the bad. That is not delusion, it is called reality.
Yes I see your point but, your going to HELL lol mate remember Muslim extremists have a different outQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLike Choudry the guy is clearly ignorant and hypocritical. MRC TV is of course a Conservative news organisation designed to broadcast conservatuve value and has it's own agenda and bias. If you want to be outraged you don't have to look very hard. Two or three people are not even really a minority group. If a bunch of white facist skinheads were to go and kick the crap out of them should they be tolerated ? Would they represent other white Christians?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
A huge percentage of Christians believe that if you do not accept Jesus you are going to be tortured for eternity in Hell and are quite happy to insult you by telling you so. It's just like a daily fail argument. The guy in the video pretending that where you are born makes no difference, is as self deluding as Miles in pretending these things do not matter. How can you ever have a true respect for other countries, customs and histories if you can not embrace your own? Immigrants have shaped this country, it's language, customs, traditions, cuisine, and culture since day one, but this land has also shaped those people, whether they be conquering armies, traveling merchants, foreign workers or those born here.
It's true that most of the east end cockney's have moved out to Dagenham or even Essex and that is a great shame. Many of the people that have replaced them are ignorant of that areas rich history let alone the wider British Isles and they should be ashamed. Foolish men who pass that stupidity among themselves and pretend it is somehow enlightening and revealing of some greater truth.
look I don't want or need no part of that culture, as they offer nothing to my culture or life.
Beanz if this land of ours is so unpleasant to there culture , WHY DON'T THEY FUCK OFF SIMPLE, no ifs or but just go.
Remember I AM TALKING ABOUT EXTREMISTS HERE,!!! not the average Joe public it may be a few
but left alone the few will become the many.!
People are pissed off besmirch a Christian he will get upset no more, besmirch one of theses dick head they will cut your head off then your balls and stuff them in your mouth lovely people.;)
The reporter, if she was intellegent enough, could have embarrassed those idiots when she discussed freedom of speech with them. They are thick and just repeating crap they have been fed.
I am perfectly calm mate. ;D It was you who said that the chump in the video had a point. I was merely suggesting that the argument you both make does not stack up. You are both deluding yourself if you think where you are born does not define you in any way. Of course like you point out it is not the whole story of who you are but it certainly makes a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The difference like you point out, is that you, like myself, are happy to call yourself British and accept all of that history both good and bad. Considering your education you probably know more about a lot of our history than I do. The guy in the video thinks that being born in a stable does not make him a horse and yet if were to be raised by horses he would certainly neigh a bit and come to appreciate the finer qualities of Hay and a good whinny now and then.
The moral is if you are born in the UK you should adopt our prejudices as well and learn how to tell people to go home, even if that is just your annoying Uncle Raj over here on Holiday :p
They don't believe in freedom of speech. (also, as Greenbeanz said, these people are specifically picked by these TV firms).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think he did well to embarrass himself sounding like a thick child. He has zero concept of individual freedom or that his 'choices' stop at another mans feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
On the flipside, in a way it looks similar to religious zealots we have here in some areas. I cannot walk into some public stores without three women shouting "repent and he shall forgive you of sin" at every single customer.
It's strange, I see mention of MRC which I am not familiar with but it is a sixty minutes segment which is regular network and left or liberal leaning in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThey don't believe in freedom of speech. (also, as Greenbeanz said, these people are specifically picked by these TV firms).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
This Sharia stuff is strange, it's not out of the Koran, I think it is a collection of rules attributed to Mohammed. These guys are so narrow minded. I feel like smacking them when they speak however I don't condone violence and wish them well.
I think he makes a point. Let's assume he was raised by dominant Muslims in a restricted upbringing, then how could he share 'British' values? It doesnt define him. Where I think he is wrong is finding small pockets of similar support to try and force change on ordinary British people. As an immigrant that peculiarity hits home in a Monty Python kind of way. I dont share much in common with someone like that and really only aspire for more traditional British based systems of fairness and the end of financialisation. If Sally wants to pet pissed and hang out with gay George then I couldnt care less. The only thing I would likely agree with this man on is war.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI am perfectly calm mate. ;D It was you who said that the chump in the video had a point. I was merely suggesting that the argument you both make does not stack up. You are both deluding yourself if you think where you are born does not define you in any way. Of course like you point out it is not the whole story of who you are but it certainly makes a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The difference like you point out, is that you, like myself, are happy to call yourself British and accept all of that history both good and bad. Considering your education you probably know more about a lot of our history than I do. The guy in the video thinks that being born in a stable does not make him a horse and yet if were to be raised by horses he would certainly neigh a bit and come to appreciate the finer qualities of Hay and a good whinny now and then.
The moral is if you are born in the UK you should adopt our prejudices as well and learn how to tell people to go home, even if that is just your annoying Uncle Raj over here on Holiday :p
Gentleman, we all delude ourselves, in my case it is one of the few things that prevents me from swallowing my handgun, that and my cat Baxter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI think he makes a point. Let's assume he was raised by dominant Muslims in a restricted upbringing, then how could he share 'British' values? It doesnt define him. Where I think he is wrong is finding small pockets of similar support to try and force change on ordinary British people. As an immigrant that peculiarity hits home in a Monty Python kind of way. I dont share much in common with someone like that and really only aspire for more traditional British based systems of fairness and the end of financialisation. If Sally wants to pet pissed and hang out with gay George then I couldnt care less. The only thing I would likely agree with this man on is war.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI am perfectly calm mate. ;D It was you who said that the chump in the video had a point. I was merely suggesting that the argument you both make does not stack up. You are both deluding yourself if you think where you are born does not define you in any way. Of course like you point out it is not the whole story of who you are but it certainly makes a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
The difference like you point out, is that you, like myself, are happy to call yourself British and accept all of that history both good and bad. Considering your education you probably know more about a lot of our history than I do. The guy in the video thinks that being born in a stable does not make him a horse and yet if were to be raised by horses he would certainly neigh a bit and come to appreciate the finer qualities of Hay and a good whinny now and then.
The moral is if you are born in the UK you should adopt our prejudices as well and learn how to tell people to go home, even if that is just your annoying Uncle Raj over here on Holiday :p