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Not journeyman: Fighters who were gatekeepers, but a guy that loses handily...all the time.
Keith Mullings imo is one. Just took victory from Terry Norris and Left him punch drunk laying on the ropes . He went on to lose 4 of his next 5 fights retiring at 16-8--1
Nobuaki Hiranaka stopped Edwin Rosario in one. Retired next fight.
They never gave anyone trouble. One great fight and they were done
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Good one. Poster child for "One and Done."
Corrie Sanders
Him knocking down Wlad was a thing a beauty.
'The Council Bluffs Butcher'
Ron Stander
Had 'one' quality win in his career. A shocking {KO 5} win over Earnie Shavers.
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Santana lost 7 of his prevuious 10 before Norris and then melted
Backus was more of a celebrity as nephew of Basilio before he fought and beat Napoles then.....
Does Hasim Rahman fit the description? Does beating Corrie Sanders or Monte Barrett mean anything? His draws against Tua and Toney seemed fights that Tua and Toney did just enough to give it away.
Oleg Maskev handled him twice.
Outside Lewis, Rahman didn't beat anyone of note
Couldn't stand Hasim, but I don't think he fits the tomato can description.
To me a tomato can with one great night is someone who came from total obscurity to achieve one great fight, and then went away just as quickly. Douglas and Sanders fit that description more than Rahman. I would consider Hasim more of a journeyman level fighter.
I hate Mullings for beating one of my favourite fighters. Norris was going to get a huge fight with Oscar, which he may have lost because he was shot by that time but at least he would have had a pay day.
Kirkland Lang beat Roberto Duran and then went MIA for a year.
I though Mullings ran even with Marquez, think he took that fight on a week or two notice. @SlimTrae Hiranaka good call. That was as brutal a KO you'll see and thought he took some kind of damage off that and retired but not sure. Ironically you can put Morris East who beat him in the same category. Just a crazy story with him and his father right after that.
I have a hard time calling most guys tomato cans. Definitely would not label Sanders or Rahman one trick ponies though. They didn't just win one big but ran with others and contenders. The two get a pass alone on the war the put on ;D Say a Michael Bentt maybe though off injury. Richie Sandoval beating Jeff Chandler. Rolondo Pasqua toppling One of the best going in Humberto Gonzalez. Maybe a Daryl Pinckney KO'ing top Junior jones and then turning that into 101 pay days vs solid top comp.
Danny Romero vs Johhny Tapia?
Romero never seemed to do much after that, but wasn't a can just a prospect that peaked n burned out early.
Agreed. it's a stretch to put Rahim on the list. Maybe I'll call him an over achiever, not a tomato can.
Rahmin's win over Lewis reminds me of a then unknown untested Coutrney Bouton that knocked out Angel Manfreddy.
Watching Angel sit against the bottom rope making a motion with his hand...blank stare on his face and listening to ESPNs Joe Tessitore holler "what a HUGE" upset!!!
I didn't expect Courtney to become a work class fighter. I felt he just had Manfreddy on an off night.
Same with Hasim...he didn't have Lennox number...he just caught Lennox slipping.
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I was at that fight. El Diablo looked like a handicapped man. Plus, his wreckless lifestyle had caught up with him by that time.Quote:
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If you have Rahman then you got to have Oliver McCall who was a glorified sparring partner.
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Jim Braddock.
Vince Philips looked like a monster the night he beat Kostya. He was humiliated by Ike Quartey before that fight and I don't recall him beating anyone of note after. Was a solid fighter with decent skills though, so he may not fit the description.
Willy Wise over JCC? Wise had a shaky record over weak opposition, beat a past his prime JCC, and then never won another fight of note. I'm not sure if Willy is the right choice since JCC was past his prime, but picked him since JC superstar was still such a big name and huge favorite.
Mullings was a great example. Tough to beat that one.
Can I throw in Jorge vaca ?
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Tomas Molinares , beat marlon starling then faded away.
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Yes I think they turned it to a NC , but it was the highlight of his career and also funny seeing Starling chinned lol.
Michael Bentt
Leon Spinks went on to have a pretty craptacular career after his win over Ali.
Antwan Echols has one nice war with Brewer then his legs turned into spaghetti.
Rene Jacquot
Donald Curry brilliant boxing skills. Was building an impressive resume with wins over undefeated Marlon Starling, Milton McCrory, 58-1 Nino Larocca..
Captured WBC, WBA & IBF. Along trinket belts NABF & USBA.
Nothing but title fights 1982-1986.
Losses to undefeated Lloyd Honeyghan & Body snatcher Mike McCallum brought his first two losses.
No shame, he regrouped 4 straight wins..and a title fight...against Gianfranco Rosi...Curry wins and he's back!!
1st title defence.. seeming stay busy fight against a 23-9 record fighter named Renee Jacquot who didn't just win, he outboxed Curry.
While Curry went on to lose to Nunn and Norris
Jacquot defeating Curry, followed up with a first round stoppage to John The Beast Mugabi & thoroughly outboxed by Terry Norris & Gianfranco Rosi.
Unless someone here has seen Fights of Jacquot beating a top tier fighter, I'd say after beating Curry he won ..one big fight and was done.
Darryl Pinckney
Anyone ever seen him fight?
After Junior Jones 32-1 bounced back from losing his WBA bantamweight title , in between beating HOFer Orlando Canizalez, 2 wins over Marco Antonio Barrera and Tracy Harris Patterson...he lost to some dude who was 18-18-2
This dreary fight record dude outboxed JJ.. who went on to beat a legendary Mexican fighter (MAB).
No shame in JJ losing 4 more, one to Kennedy McKinney and Erik Morales.
Darryl Pinckney lost 22 of his last 25...retired 24-42-3. Seems he beat Junior Jones and that's it.
Ricardo Toress ALMOST had one against Cotto ha
That was a very dramatic fight, good call. Don't see many people in that kind of way multiple times come out to win.Quote:
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Wlad has had the distinction of being dusted by at least TWO tomato cans.
Corrie Sanders and of course Ross Puritty.
Some claimed Cotto was chinny after that fight. I think it proved how hard it was for Cotto to make weight. Once he moved up...the chin question faded away.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat was a very dramatic fight, good call. Don't see many people in that kind of way multiple times come out to win.Quote:
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Tyrone Trice mentioned in the bad attitude thread made me wanna look at his record.
Wasn't sure what Trice lacked...skills? Defence?
One name on his resume stood out to me: Joe Lipsey 18-0 when he defeated Trice.
I remember him fighting Bernard Hopkins who was 28-2-1 to Lipsey 25-0.
It was considered somewhat of a dangerous task to fight an unknown who had just beat Tyrone Trice and a then up n comer named Derrick Colon who was 18-0.
After Hopkins knocked Lipsey the fuck OUT!!! Resting his head on the referee shoe like it was a pillow.
He retired after one shot at the title
25-1
one title shot
And he was done.
Tyrone Trice was a good fighter for awhile. He got stopped by Freddie Pendleton but came back to beat Curtis Summitt and Steve Little. Good wins at the time. He lost to Simon Brown in the 14th; that was a war.Quote:
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Brown and Trice had some serious beef with one another. Remember Brown wanted to make up with him but it kicked off again at the end of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldTyrone Trice was a good fighter for awhile. He got stopped by Freddie Pendleton but came back to beat Curtis Summitt and Steve Little. Good wins at the time. He lost to Simon Brown in the 14th; that was a war.Quote:
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I remember Steve Little...had to jog my memory, but Curtis Summit? Will look him up. I humbly say I've never heard the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldTyrone Trice was a good fighter for awhile. He got stopped by Freddie Pendleton but came back to beat Curtis Summitt and Steve Little. Good wins at the time. He lost to Simon Brown in the 14th; that was a war.Quote:
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With Lipsey and not sure it would have mattered, Trice was a bloater and at the end. He def didn't belong at 168 on short notice. It was ironic in pre interview he pointed to Freddie Pendleton..who blew him up years ago..as a case of not being judged by number of losses in relation to future :-X. Trice was bitter and still calling robbery off Lally (yes) and Tate defeats. All credit to Lipsey though who absolutely battered Trice to the point of knocking him down and then ramming a right knee to his head accidentally. No idea why Lipsey bowed out after Hopkins but that was as brutal an underrated KO Hopkins has ever had. Its one thing to be ko'd and come back to then find its all gone but another to feel the pain and get out that quickly. He beat very solid comp coming up but no idea what became of him.Quote:
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Mickey Ward?