Andy Lee-Billy Joe Saunders -- Plus Big Undercard. Sat/BN. Fact.

Not one thread this week about this fight. As usual the British BoxNation bills go totally under the radar (It's not just the might of SKY, Matchroom are in a different league to old Frank when it comes to promotion). I read there's thousands of tickets left. Anyway...

Lee-Saunders is tough to read (for me anyway). I started to lean towards Lee because of his size, power and experience. However, I've swayed back to Billy Joe because Lee might not ever lay a glove on him. And even if he does, Saunders has never been on the deck, Lee's power might be irrelevant.

In Lee's last three fights he was getting outboxed before banging himself out of trouble. No disrespect to Lee but Billy Joe may have already outboxed a better fighter than him in Eubank Jr. And Billy Joe is the superior boxer. Even though Lee has been on the deck a few times it's been against serious whackers. Saunders is not a powderpuff puncher but chinning bods isn't his game.

Bookies can't split them. Saunders on PTS at 6/4 is the bet (which guarantees Lee by KO at 2/1 for anyone that wants to earn some Christmas dosh)

General prices.
Andy Lee - EVS -- KO 2/1
Billy Joe - EVS -- PTS 6/4

I might go if theres loads of tickets if I can find a mate to come with me

I'm replying to myself again to add the undercard (Eric and the miserable cunts that don't like me doing it can all get fucked. Fact.).

Liam Smith-Jimmy Kelly --- Yeah, I have no idea how this is a "world" title fight but there you go.

Two of the UK's best prospects, Mitchell Smith and Liam Williams are on the bill plus Catterall, Butler, the Indian copper etc.

Well I fancied BJS on points for this one. My one big doubt though is the fact that at every opportunity he talks about the Eubanks! Makes me think he's overlooking Lee a tiny bit.
What pisses me off is that he's got the biggest fight of his career , a World Title fight and he is calling out prospective challengers! Don't make sense to me.

I've won two tickets, missed out on the two main fights last time. Travelled to Ireland and missed it, well surprise surprise work won't let me have it off. So I'll miss the main event , fucking typical

ive got no mates, ill be watching it at home

Billy Joe probably mentions Eubank all the time because no-one would know who he is without that fight. I feel sorry for those fighters with Warren/BoxNation (I don't really feel sorry for them, I couldn't give a fuck), nobody apart from boxing nerds know who they are).

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Billy Joe probably mentions Eubank all the time because no-one would know who he is without that fight. I feel sorry for those fighters with Warren/BoxNation (I don't really feel sorry for them, I couldn't give a fuck), nobody apart from boxing nerds know who they are).

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You must have missed lunch today, you're a little grumpy. Lol

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ive got no mates, ill be watching it at home

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I dont think anyone in this forum has thats why were are all suck in here scratching each others eyes out;D

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Billy Joe probably mentions Eubank all the time because no-one would know who he is without that fight. I feel sorry for those fighters with Warren/BoxNation (I don't really feel sorry for them, I couldn't give a fuck), nobody apart from boxing nerds know who they are).

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I agree. I dont think its totally down to Warren though. The fighters need to take the blame themselves.

Theres no point crying about the attention that Eubank gets because he works hard to get that attention. Arrogance sells. Excitment sells. Saunders just doesnt get it. Whinng about Eubank in every interview doesnt sell himself.

No ne really cares about Lee either. Its a shame because the fight will be interesting. A good clash of styles against good fighters they just lack the right personality for people to care. Maybe Warren should have his fighters go through personality school.

The problem is you have fighters like Saunders who downplay themselves saying things like "Golovkin would knock me out and I wouldnt stand a chance". How does that sell yourself? You arent even confident in your own ability so why would a potential fan invest time and money following your career and watching your fights if you are telling them your never going to be the best anyway?

Someone like Eubank on the other hand has you curious or furious. You womder at the back of your mind can he really do it? Or you want to watch him get his head knocked off his shoulders. He makes you invest an interest.

Yes this fight is for the WBO belt , nobody believes either of these 2 are, or will be the Middleweight champion of the world.
It will be a fun fight I will be watching.

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Billy Joe probably mentions Eubank all the time because no-one would know who he is without that fight. I feel sorry for those fighters with Warren/BoxNation (I don't really feel sorry for them, I couldn't give a fuck), nobody apart from boxing nerds know who they are).

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I agree. I dont think its totally down to Warren though. The fighters need to take the blame themselves.

Theres no point crying about the attention that Eubank gets because he works hard to get that attention. Arrogance sells. Excitment sells. Saunders just doesnt get it. Whinng about Eubank in every interview doesnt sell himself.

No ne really cares about Lee either. Its a shame because the fight will be interesting. A good clash of styles against good fighters they just lack the right personality for people to care. Maybe Warren should have his fighters go through personality school.

The problem is you have fighters like Saunders who downplay themselves saying things like "Golovkin would knock me out and I wouldnt stand a chance". How does that sell yourself? You arent even confident in your own ability so why would a potential fan invest time and money following your career and watching your fights if you are telling them your never going to be the best anyway?

Someone like Eubank on the other hand has you curious or furious. You womder at the back of your mind can he really do it? Or you want to watch him get his head knocked off his shoulders. He makes you invest an interest.

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this is the thing. some (many, actually) people prefer the hype and bullshit over quality and who is the best. Others are interested in winners.
I think you have to prove yourself and become a winner first , then you can reap the rewards and hype yourself up to the max.
What I would say though is that I totally agree with the last paragraph and I've put it in bold because it was very well put! (for you!) ;D;)

Cracking matchup, but everything said about Frank's waning promotional skills is why this hasn't popped up sooner I imagine, plus the fact they've plonked it the weekend before Christmas when loads of people will be out on the town.

Tough one to call, I'm thinking Andy Lee might have the experience here. Good undercard too.

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Billy Joe probably mentions Eubank all the time because no-one would know who he is without that fight. I feel sorry for those fighters with Warren/BoxNation (I don't really feel sorry for them, I couldn't give a fuck), nobody apart from boxing nerds know who they are).

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You must have missed lunch today, you're a little grumpy. Lol

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I'm never grumpy. Truthful. I understand my vernacular gives the wrong impression sometimes. :)

It's not as simple as "arrogance sells." The most loved British fighter of our modern era was Ricky Hatton. He never said a bad word about anyone. Currently Anthony Joshua is massive popular. He never says a bad word about anyone.

Polarising public opinion is a terrific seller (Floyd/Eubank snr were masters) but the majority of fighters are never gonna be crossover stars.

In simple terms - You don't have to be a prick to put bums on seats. It works for some, not for others.

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It's not as simple as "arrogance sells." The most loved British fighter of our modern era was Ricky Hatton. He never said a bad word about anyone. Currently Anthony Joshua is massive popular. He never says a bad word about anyone.

Polarising public opinion is a terrific seller (Floyd/Eubank snr were masters) but the majority of fighters are never gonna be crossover stars.

In simple terms - You don't have to be a prick to put bums on seats. It works for some, not for others.

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Arrogance doesnt mean you have to be a prick about anyone!?

Eubank Jr rarely says anything bad about anyone. He just projects a solid belief that he will win and can beat anyone.

Arrogance is what people perceive self confidence to be. The general slob who cant be bothered to acheive much in life will get annoyed with people like Eubank and Fury because they are so sure of themselves when those slobs are not. Slobs are aftaid to try and fail.

I made a thread a while back saying that Lee and BJS needed a kick up the arse when it came to promoting themselves.

I'm backing BJS to win it on points, I think everyone (even the fighters themselves) have said it'll either be BJS on points of Lee via KO

BJS will win and become world champion. You heard it here last.

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BJS will win and become world champion. You heard it here last.

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No they didnt, iv been saying it since the fight was mentioned;D

Stalker-Evans go back-to-back draws. Funking odds of that. Nuts.

Liam Williams looked a terrific prospect last year. If the injury/being inactive doesn't affect him. KO.

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BJS will win and become world champion. You heard it here last.

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No they didnt, iv been saying it since the fight was mentioned;D

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I said last.

Williams has Carslaw on the deck in the first from a body shot. Knocks him out face first unconcious in the 2nd.

That boy is going places.

Paul Butler is fighting Spike O'Sullivan's mini me.

Butler the most overrated fighter ever to have 5 belts being displayed in the corner

Mini-Spike has a chin like Spike too. Granite.

Mini-Spike is hard-as-nails. Needs to be saved by the corner like big Spike last week

Good stoppage for Jack Catteral. You have to love young Mexican fighters though, they completely ignore the fact they're here to lose. Harder you hit them the more they want it.

Mitchell Smith is a terffic prospect. Although a bit mouthy. KO.

Jupp tallest superfeathr ever. Mitchell looking for highlight reel sparkage

Smith said he battered Jupp in sparring. Basically resorted to bullying Jupp to the ropes to get anything off

I know nobody on here gives a shit or probably knows who these blokes are but...

Smith - the young fighter of the year - treated Jupp like a cunt at the press conference and just got schooled. Brilliant. (even though I lost money :D)

Langford won the first round.

easy 2nd round for Langford.

I think Langford will stop him, easily won the 3rd.

I don't know what it is tonight I just can't get up for the boxing, I missed the first few fights cuz the Villa were playing on Sky Sports 1 (I don't know why I bothered watching it, its not the best time to be a villa fan at the moment) since the football has finished I've had the boxing on but I've been reading my book and I've hardly looked up at the screen.

It was a shock to see Smith lose I certainly wasn't expecting that, again I didn't barely pay any attention so I can't say how he did or didn't perform.

I just hope I can manage to take a little more interest in the BJS v Lee fight

Langord battered him and will stop him in the next round. Good fighter.

This bird constantly calls knockdowns knockouts. You can have the benefit for a couple of slips but blimey

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This bird constantly calls knockdowns knockouts. You can have the benefit for a couple of slips but blimey

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She is fit so leave her alone.

Langford stopped him with brutal body shots. I wish I predicted that in the saddo league.

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This bird constantly calls knockdowns knockouts. You can have the benefit for a couple of slips but blimey

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She's better looking than old Buncey though