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Whats not to like about the idea? Stops terrorism, gets people integrated and pays tax.
Genius
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Originally Posted by Master
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Lyle what is Master failing to realize? Quite a few " inconvenient aspects" I'd say.
#1 The assumption that any and all immigrants want what is best for the nation they are fleeing to.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
There are immigrants here in America that do not understand the BASICS of being American namely the Constitution trumps the Quran....sorry, not everyone reads the Quran, not everyone prays to Allah, not everyone buys into that religion, and that is 100% completely fine if you do or if you don't, but while in America you follow the rules of America above all else. Those rules don't keep you as an individual from praying or practicing your religion, but they DO keep you from forcing your religion on others.
There are places here in Queens which by the way has over 2 million people in this little borough of New York City in which you can walk blocks and blocks and blocks and only hear Bengali language being spoken and literally thousands of women in Burqas up to their eyes and men in white dresses walking around in sandals in the middle of the winter with snow on the ground and they cannot speak a single word of English. Why this country let them in I have no idea but they do not assimilate into American society. Queens alone has over 200 mosques in this one little part of New York City. I think the number is 203 the last time a Muslim told me
There's MY main point of contention! Nobody is saying you can't practice your own religion, nobody is saying you can't speak your native tongue in your home/domicile, nobody is saying you can't cook traditional meals, nobody is saying you can't share your culture with Americans, the large majority of us would be more than happy to learn about your culture, but at the same time PAY RESPECTS to the nation that took you in!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Compare and contrast today's "refugees" :rolleyes: with those from World War II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_4W7w2i6SM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Evm2LF1uRM
So yeah, FUCK the Syrian "refugees"......fucking combat aged MEN! What are you fleeing? Stand and fight you God damned pussies! Leaving their women and children behind so they can go scrounge off welfare. I'm sorry I have 0 sympathy for them.
You look at the World War 2 immigrants, there was a sense of PRIDE in coming to America. Getting there wasn't "making it" but it was a step forward to "making it", we're going to be GOOD Americans, we're going to be people that Americans will be PROUD to accept.....what do we get from the "Syrians" if they are even fucking from there?!?!?! NOTHING! At least Mexicans and those from Central America will come to America and work hard, they'll fucking earn their keep...the "Syrians"??? It's an invasion!
And why won't ANY Arab countries take in these "refugees"? Peace loving, good natured caring Muslim nations and what do they give for their brothers?????
NOTHING!!!! No food, no money, no jobs, no homes, no nothing!
How dumb do they think the west is? It's a TRAP, there will be ISIS everywhere, there will be Militant Islamists everywhere! The terrorists have no issue in hiding with civilians in a war zone, what the fuck do you think will happen once they're here???
I have to give them credit it is it is a brilliant stratagem against the complacent fat obese ultra liberal bleeding-heart Western world who thinks it is the white man's burden to equalize all humanity to the same level of education and civilization and healthcare and goods and services. It is a brilliant strategy by the Muslims. These are not waves of refugees fleeing washer Assad's regime in Damascus. That is a bunch of b*******. These are opportunists who is identities cannot be checked very well . The majority of them are simply going to try to find money and nothing more than money and are leaving their wives behind .
Several of my Arabic students that I taught in Malaysia told me back in 2012 that if ISIS ever gain control of their countries they would have no choice but to join them since they practiced a very strict and literal interpretation of the Qur'an. This entire wave of immigrants is really a brilliant stratagem by the jihadists and they are looked upon by me as a long term sleeper cell or should I say a long-term sleeper tsunami that will absolutely destroy Europe and the United States over the next few years
It's going to lead to a Red Dawn type of scenario only instead of Commies it'll be Jihadis
If I was a militant jihadi wanting to kill white people in America or Europe I would simply do my best to look like a poor victim of Assad's regime and I would apply like a nice little boy for asylum in New York City or in Stockholm or in London and I would take all the free money they were going to give me. I would figure out how to build bombs once I got there and then maybe after a year or two after very careful planning I would then break out of my sleeper cell and kill as many whites as I could in the name of Allah
Americans should make up their mind on whether to continue their century old melting pot tradition or choose to be isolated or semi-isolated. I can feel your insecurity, though, bringing in these ME refugees whom you know nothing about. Who knows, one of them might be packing a portable nuclear bomb...
Melting pot eh? Meaning those coming to the United States need to assimilate....do that and nobody complains. Expect us to accept Sharia law when you're a guest in this country and you can go get fucked!Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Coming to the United States means you have to accept certain ideas and values....you don't come here with a list of demands!
The term Liberal means different things in different democracies. Hell, it means different things to people in the same country. I doubt there are any classic liberals as defined by political theory around anymore. I find some liberals right wing of centre philosophically and others like myself left of centre. I am also considered right of centre and even far right for some of my views.The main difference for me is that I think having rights one is born with guarantees certain expenditures from the government to ensure them and that they by extension have the right to tax in order to guarantee it. Things like life, liberty and health care encompass each other. Health care would be imperative to inalienable rights.
Going to far right or to far left is when I start to have concerns. All I know is the world has gone mad and everything seems politically incorrect these days. Its like anything goes and to even question things anymore gets you the wrath of the LEFT. Everyone gets a trophy, there are no losers and normal is individual choice. Its like Sodom and Gomorrah on steroids. The lefts condemnation of any criticism of itself is as dogmatic as anything they have complained about. I consider myself liberal but that part of liberalism does not represent me.
I blame the millennials.;D;D
Why does this not surprise me minoritys getting support over, the majority stupid people who see good in shitbags.
We have NO room in society, for these criminals remember there out look does not go with the majority, but Morons panda to minoritys.
We as a nation are fucking stupid some among us can see goodness in a turd, but I am not one of them, shit is shit no more, you desppose of shit, these people are shit.
You mean people who advocate civil liberties and political freedom with an emphasis on economic freedom?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I like that idea, it's why I'm a Libertarian.....although I do have a strong belief in American exceptionalism and that if we're in a war then we should do what it takes to win the war and prevent another war shortly thereafter due to a lopsided treaty.
What an embarrassing excuse for an argument.
There is no such thing as absolute proof
Infowars and Paul Watson are hardly unbiased reasonable and informed sources from which to garner such a thing as 'Absolute Proof'
Alex Jones, Paul Watson and Infowars have an agenda just like the other big corporations
Liberalism is supposedly something promoting liberty and equality. Something I thought even Dia as a socialist and Lyle as a capitalist could agree upon. What is seems to mean in this instance is anyone who doesn't agree with Brockton who flits between bleeding hearted liberal and neo conservative depending on which way the wind is blowing.
Mental Disorder ?
Paul Watson ?
Alex Jones ?
Somebody who when challenged starts thread after thread hurling sucky suckys at anyone who dare contradict them ?
So my understanding of melting pot must be wrong. I thought it meant to bring about a perfect mix of all 'ingredients' together, with no one ingredients or values dominating or dictating others.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMelting pot eh? Meaning those coming to the United States need to assimilate....do that and nobody complains. Expect us to accept Sharia law when you're a guest in this country and you can go get fucked!Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Coming to the United States means you have to accept certain ideas and values....you don't come here with a list of demands!
It means you can keep your culture, keep your language, keep your traditions and values, but The Constitution is the law of this land (America) and if your culture, religion, language, traditions, and values, attempt to FORCE that on others then I'm sorry yeah you've misunderstood the idea of the melting pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
People who come to America should be interested in becoming American, they shouldn't try to force Americans to adapt to them. All we ask is that those people who come here have some respect for the rules that have already been established. Is that too much to ask? Too much to ask someone seeking asylum to follow the rules of the country protecting you? If so I guess they should maybe start a new nation on their own otherwise they need to suck it up and accept what America is.
No that's what you mean. You don't need to be a classical liberal to believe in liberty and political freedom. And its hard to figure out what we are as Canadians, melting pot or mosaic. I don't know the answer. A bit of both I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYou mean people who advocate civil liberties and political freedom with an emphasis on economic freedom?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I like that idea, it's why I'm a Libertarian.....although I do have a strong belief in American exceptionalism and that if we're in a war then we should do what it takes to win the war and prevent another war shortly thereafter due to a lopsided treaty.
Alright, so you are 100% cool with the idea of another culture coming to your nation, NOT conforming to the laws of your nation but expecting YOU to conform to their laws that they have brought with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNo that's what you mean. You don't need to be a classical liberal to believe in liberty and political freedom. And its hard to figure out what we are as Canadians, melting pot or mosaic. I don't know the answer. A bit of both I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYou mean people who advocate civil liberties and political freedom with an emphasis on economic freedom?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I like that idea, it's why I'm a Libertarian.....although I do have a strong belief in American exceptionalism and that if we're in a war then we should do what it takes to win the war and prevent another war shortly thereafter due to a lopsided treaty.
Because THAT is what I'm irritated at, I love immigrants from anywhere and everywhere, this nation was built on the idea that it doesn't matter who your Dad is or who your family is, you can succeed here regardless of any previous class or caste system you may have been a part of....but people coming here wishing to say this is your caste, this is your class, our ideas are better and more worthwhile than the founders of this nation....I'm sorry America did not become what it is today by accepting any old idea that made its way to Ellis Island.
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Originally Posted by El KabongAlright, so you are 100% cool with the idea of another culture coming to your nation, NOT conforming to the laws of your nation but expecting YOU to conform to their laws that they have brought with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNo that's what you mean. You don't need to be a classical liberal to believe in liberty and political freedom. And its hard to figure out what we are as Canadians, melting pot or mosaic. I don't know the answer. A bit of both I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYou mean people who advocate civil liberties and political freedom with an emphasis on economic freedom?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I like that idea, it's why I'm a Libertarian.....although I do have a strong belief in American exceptionalism and that if we're in a war then we should do what it takes to win the war and prevent another war shortly thereafter due to a lopsided treaty.
Because THAT is what I'm irritated at, I love immigrants from anywhere and everywhere, this nation was built on the idea that it doesn't matter who your Dad is or who your family is, you can succeed here regardless of any previous class or caste system you may have been a part of....but people coming here wishing to say this is your caste, this is your class, our ideas are better and more worthwhile than the founders of this nation....I'm sorry America did not become what it is today by accepting any old idea that made its way to Ellis Island.
No I'm not ok with that. I'm also not ok with the labeling your country seems to put on everyone. If you are against gun culture you are a liberal or if you believe in health care for all you are a socialist. As if thats a bad thing. No grey in your world. No middle just black and white. When some Americans say exceptionalism they actually believe God himself handed you that antiquated constitution that has no application at all in the real world. The trouble with you card carrying radical righties is that you paint everyone not on side with the same brush. Thats what fascist states do not pluralistic ones.
And no I don't believe Muslims should have a prayer space at the work place or practice Sharia law. That does not make me left or right. It makes me Canadian. The trouble with America is that everything in life is left and right and the physician should heal thyself and quit forcing themselves onto sovereign countries and starting eternal wars. Your countries political philosophy is consumerism and capitalism. All the other shit is window dressing.
Gee, Lyle, you have a knack for turning any discussion into a long, protracted debate. But I have the patience of neither Kirk or Miles so I will just leave this issue with my last rebut and of course you're free to reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIt means you can keep your culture, keep your language, keep your traditions and values, but The Constitution is the law of this land (America) and if your culture, religion, language, traditions, and values, attempt to FORCE that on others then I'm sorry yeah you've misunderstood the idea of the melting pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
People who come to America should be interested in becoming American, they shouldn't try to force Americans to adapt to them. All we ask is that those people who come here have some respect for the rules that have already been established. Is that too much to ask? Too much to ask someone seeking asylum to follow the rules of the country protecting you? If so I guess they should maybe start a new nation on their own otherwise they need to suck it up and accept what America is.
If one imposes anything on the others, then that's not a melting pot, at least not the melting pot envisioned by your forefathers which was supposed to be an equal amalgam of all. And so the melting pot you're talking of is not the melting pot your forefathers had in mind. But be fair to you, their principles were too idealistic, or utopian and like all idealism and utopia, they're probably not practical...
What are you debating? All I ask is for those coming to the United States (ESPECIALLY those fleeing a bloodthirsty dictator) is that they accept and respect the laws of the land rather than expecting Americans to bend to the desires of immigrants and refugees.....surely this is not too much to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
So if the laws were changed to ban all guns from your country you would accept and respect them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat are you debating? All I ask is for those coming to the United States (ESPECIALLY those fleeing a bloodthirsty dictator) is that they accept and respect the laws of the land rather than expecting Americans to bend to the desires of immigrants and refugees.....surely this is not too much to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Well the Second Amendment says that is a right the government CANNOT infringe upon....so if the government DID do that then it would become even more important that I own firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo if the laws were changed to ban all guns from your country you would accept and respect them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat are you debating? All I ask is for those coming to the United States (ESPECIALLY those fleeing a bloodthirsty dictator) is that they accept and respect the laws of the land rather than expecting Americans to bend to the desires of immigrants and refugees.....surely this is not too much to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Honestly, how difficult is that to understand????
I'm doing a 30-day Thunder bay, Ontario gig next month---- get me ready, I know it's COLD!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNo that's what you mean. You don't need to be a classical liberal to believe in liberty and political freedom. And its hard to figure out what we are as Canadians, melting pot or mosaic. I don't know the answer. A bit of both I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYou mean people who advocate civil liberties and political freedom with an emphasis on economic freedom?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I like that idea, it's why I'm a Libertarian.....although I do have a strong belief in American exceptionalism and that if we're in a war then we should do what it takes to win the war and prevent another war shortly thereafter due to a lopsided treaty.
I never said liberalism is a mental disorder but it is bloody annoying, minority do gooders want to reintegrate these people into a society they hate and dispies,! it is very foolish on there part and extremely dangerous is it not.
Stand back and think about it,! western values have no place in thetr ideology if you live in the West fit in or fuck off simple.
Yeah but Rich,... think about it Sucky-SuckyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
That is a no then. You would not respect and accept the law of the land.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell the Second Amendment says that is a right the government CANNOT infringe upon....so if the government DID do that then it would become even more important that I own firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo if the laws were changed to ban all guns from your country you would accept and respect them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat are you debating? All I ask is for those coming to the United States (ESPECIALLY those fleeing a bloodthirsty dictator) is that they accept and respect the laws of the land rather than expecting Americans to bend to the desires of immigrants and refugees.....surely this is not too much to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Honestly, how difficult is that to understand????
IamInuit, do you not understand how absurd it is to call someone who believes in the Constitution a "Fascist"?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
The Constitution is a document that tells the people what the Federal Government CANNOT DO.....that's huge, that right there is "power to the people", why more politicians aren't actually held accountable for side stepping the Constitution I don't know, but I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, the Constitution DOES matter, it IS important, and if you truly believe that it is "antiquated" then I guess you are more of a Fascist than you thought you were.
Also "you card carrying radical righties".....I guess you resolved your feelings about labeling then haven't you?
Master, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
So you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMaster, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Certain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMaster, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
What if the government deny its civilians the ownership of guns and only allowed the authorities to have them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCertain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMaster, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by MasterWhat if the government deny its civilians the ownership of guns and only allowed the authorities to have them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCertain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMaster, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Since the government is founded on and runs based off of the Constitution it would be unconstitutional for such a law to be passed. That said, if such a law WAS passed then it would be my DUTY as an American citizen to revolt against a tyrannical government.
....is this some kind of novel idea to you? It's fairly simple to me, maybe it's because I grew up with it. Not that I'm some kind of compound having unofficial state militia starting crazy person, just because the Constitution is the rule and guide of government, the Constitution says what the government can't do, and the founding fathers said basically "If the government stops going by the Constitution then it's your job as a citizen to overthrow the government"....that's just the way it is.
Just what a freedom fighter/terrorist would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat if the government deny its civilians the ownership of guns and only allowed the authorities to have them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCertain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMaster, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Since the government is founded on and runs based off of the Constitution it would be unconstitutional for such a law to be passed. That said, if such a law WAS passed then it would be my DUTY as an American citizen to revolt against a tyrannical government.
....is this some kind of novel idea to you? It's fairly simple to me, maybe it's because I grew up with it. Not that I'm some kind of compound having unofficial state militia starting crazy person, just because the Constitution is the rule and guide of government, the Constitution says what the government can't do, and the founding fathers said basically "If the government stops going by the Constitution then it's your job as a citizen to overthrow the government"....that's just the way it is.
Facile argument there Master, I respect you and know you are smarter than that.....but if you care to elaborate be my guest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterJust what a freedom fighter/terrorist would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat if the government deny its civilians the ownership of guns and only allowed the authorities to have them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCertain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMaster, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Since the government is founded on and runs based off of the Constitution it would be unconstitutional for such a law to be passed. That said, if such a law WAS passed then it would be my DUTY as an American citizen to revolt against a tyrannical government.
....is this some kind of novel idea to you? It's fairly simple to me, maybe it's because I grew up with it. Not that I'm some kind of compound having unofficial state militia starting crazy person, just because the Constitution is the rule and guide of government, the Constitution says what the government can't do, and the founding fathers said basically "If the government stops going by the Constitution then it's your job as a citizen to overthrow the government"....that's just the way it is.
You would overthrow the democratic government because you fundamentally disagreed with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFacile argument there Master, I respect you and know you are smarter than that.....but if you care to elaborate be my guest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterJust what a freedom fighter/terrorist would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat if the government deny its civilians the ownership of guns and only allowed the authorities to have them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCertain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMaster, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Since the government is founded on and runs based off of the Constitution it would be unconstitutional for such a law to be passed. That said, if such a law WAS passed then it would be my DUTY as an American citizen to revolt against a tyrannical government.
....is this some kind of novel idea to you? It's fairly simple to me, maybe it's because I grew up with it. Not that I'm some kind of compound having unofficial state militia starting crazy person, just because the Constitution is the rule and guide of government, the Constitution says what the government can't do, and the founding fathers said basically "If the government stops going by the Constitution then it's your job as a citizen to overthrow the government"....that's just the way it is.
Again, that's a facile argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou would overthrow the democratic government because you fundamentally disagreed with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFacile argument there Master, I respect you and know you are smarter than that.....but if you care to elaborate be my guest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterJust what a freedom fighter/terrorist would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat if the government deny its civilians the ownership of guns and only allowed the authorities to have them?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongCertain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongMaster, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Since the government is founded on and runs based off of the Constitution it would be unconstitutional for such a law to be passed. That said, if such a law WAS passed then it would be my DUTY as an American citizen to revolt against a tyrannical government.
....is this some kind of novel idea to you? It's fairly simple to me, maybe it's because I grew up with it. Not that I'm some kind of compound having unofficial state militia starting crazy person, just because the Constitution is the rule and guide of government, the Constitution says what the government can't do, and the founding fathers said basically "If the government stops going by the Constitution then it's your job as a citizen to overthrow the government"....that's just the way it is.
No.
I would fight the government because the government would have overstepped it's bounds and infringed on the rights of all law abiding Americans.....ergo the government would be considered "tyrannical" and I would be lawfully justified in rebelling against that "democratic government".
It's not a matter of "disagreeing" it's a matter of government overreach.