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Will Deontay Wilder ever fight someone like Ortiz, Fury, Povetkin, or Joshua?
Or will he continue to take "safe" fights, choosing journeyman opponents like Molina and DuHaupas, or fringe contenders like Szpilka who are not in the top ten?
Wilder is age 30 now.
There's always 1 guy who refuses to fight the best. For a long time it was the WBA title holders post lennox Lewis: Evander Holyfield, John Ruiz, Roy Jones Jr., John Ruiz, James Toney (didn't get to keep the belt), John Ruiz/Nicolai Valuev, Ruslan Chagaev (had belt stolen from him), Nicolai Valuev, and then FINALLY David Haye won it and decided to fight Wladimir after Wladimir had already just thrashed Ruslan Chagaev who was the rightful owner of the belt.
But yeah the WBC belt has fallen into the same circumstance post Vitali. Bermane Stiverne, Deontay Wilder. It's early in Wilder's reign but Molina, Duhaupas, and Szpilka don't really inspire much respect for a guy holding a belt.
Watch Szpilka upset him lolQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I like wilder and he's exciting but this should be the last soft title defense.
I actually think spilka is a decent fight for him and a definite step up. If he wins though, he needs to fight the best available opponent next.
It's embarrassing really. This self styled "Booooooooomb Squad!!" And he's not even trying to fight anyone decent. Still if you look at champions in all the divisions, he's not doing anything out of the ordinary. They all do it.
The question is can the real King Kong withstand the BOMB SQUAD!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Will the bombs detonate or just bounce off his chest as he scales the Empire State Building?
Wilders defense is horrendous but this is a decent opponent for him. That said Jennings got to him first and battered him. Rival sanctioning Ibf farce title fight on the same card with Martin vs Glazkov? Wilders next opponent may be closer than we think.
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Boxing News 24 have him number 1. Worst rankings Ive seen in a long time :D
That's a troll site. That article was amusing though.
Not one mention of AJ yet Dillian Whyte is no.1 :D
So anti Fury too. I get people not liking him but he just beat an ATG in Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The "writer" purposely does anti-Brit posts.
Fury is THE top heavyweight in the world whether or not anyone thinks there are fighters that can beat him. He's the man that beat the man. (personally I think AJ would iron him but that's irrelevant at this stage)
Articles like this are barely worth commenting on, and I feel a bit of a twat doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
The thing is everyone can have an opinion, but please if you want to be taken seriously, leave emotional bias out of it, and a fact or 2 doesn't go amiss. I mean, Dillian Whyte #1, Pulev above Wlad even though Wlad Ironed him out, and Fury not in the top 10!
"Fury's not in the top 10 because I don't rate him!" Ok Einstein, I'm not his biggest fan, but he just beat Wlad in his last fight, so he has to rank above him for starters.
Anyway, it's fucking Christmas so I ain't going on no more.;D
First off, Joshua is NOT a top heavyweight. He is a top prospect. Joshua is no better or worse than the Parker's, Tepper's, Mansour's and Martin's of this world. In fact, to me, he has trouble with Parker, gets chinned by Tepper and Mansour, and will have a dog fight with Martin to the bitter end. Shoots, put him in with Derek Bryant.... that oughta be nice. Or even a Gerald Washington. These guys in no way, shape or form are any challenge to the Ortiz's, Wlad's, Fury's and Povetkin's of this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
With that being said, most likely Wilder takes the winner of the Glazkov/Martin IBF title fight. Not exactly top flight guys, but both would certainly be better than the guys he has faced in his title run.
As long as he is allowed too.
Povetkin gives him a good fight, Ortiz beats his ass and AJ will wipe him away.
Fury would beat him too.
Says the man who was adamant Quillin was better then Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaFirst off, Joshua is NOT a top heavyweight. He is a top prospect. Joshua is no better or worse than the Parker's, Tepper's, Mansour's and Martin's of this world. In fact, to me, he has trouble with Parker, gets chinned by Tepper and Mansour, and will have a dog fight with Martin to the bitter end. Shoots, put him in with Derek Bryant.... that oughta be nice. Or even a Gerald Washington. These guys in no way, shape or form are any challenge to the Ortiz's, Wlad's, Fury's and Povetkin's of this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
With that being said, most likely Wilder takes the winner of the Glazkov/Martin IBF title fight. Not exactly top flight guys, but both would certainly be better than the guys he has faced in his title run.
Beating Whyte puts AJ above prospect level. US heavies are very poor. I doubt any bar Wilder would beat Whyte.
I was being tongue in cheek with Quillin. In fact, when he ducked Korobov, I said he was Shiite for it. But, Joshua is no top contender yet and Whyte is just another Brit hype-job, fluffed up to make Joshua seem higher than where he really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeSays the man who was adamant Quillin was better then Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaFirst off, Joshua is NOT a top heavyweight. He is a top prospect. Joshua is no better or worse than the Parker's, Tepper's, Mansour's and Martin's of this world. In fact, to me, he has trouble with Parker, gets chinned by Tepper and Mansour, and will have a dog fight with Martin to the bitter end. Shoots, put him in with Derek Bryant.... that oughta be nice. Or even a Gerald Washington. These guys in no way, shape or form are any challenge to the Ortiz's, Wlad's, Fury's and Povetkin's of this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
With that being said, most likely Wilder takes the winner of the Glazkov/Martin IBF title fight. Not exactly top flight guys, but both would certainly be better than the guys he has faced in his title run.
Beating Whyte puts AJ above prospect level. US heavies are very poor. I doubt any bar Wilder would beat Whyte.
Not saying Joshua can't be there, but he is not a world beater yet. Shit, I feel Povetkin, Pulev, Ortiz, and even a Jennings beats him up really bad. The kinda beat down that makes you wonder why his promoter set him up the way David Price got set up when he faced Thompson.
Ask yourself: Who did Dillian Whyte fight before Joshua? NO ONE! So why was this a "big" fight? Because of some old, grainy amateur fight video with Joshua getting knocked on his ass in some back-room - looked smoky- British pub that passed for an amateur fight venue for the time. That and Whyte seemingly likes to talk Shiite, which made for as entertaining a promo as Fury gives.
;D
Who has Wilder beat? Stiverne? Who has he beat? Arreola? Sure theyre shit so what makes Wilder any use? Surely its by judging how he performed in his fights. It doesnt take a genius to see Joshua will likely be top class. Just like it didnt take a genius to see Golovkin is class. Joshua might lose to Fury, Wilder or even Haye, but hes a strong fav over every fighter that isnt at world level.
I'm not saying Wilder is the man for getting soft fights either. But he had a lot more going for him at the time than Joshua did. In fact, Stiverne was made credible after beating stiff journeymen... look at Stiverne's record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Now, as said and I will say again, Joshua CAN get there. But he is not there yet.
Exactly. Look at his record. Its garbage. KO Loss to Demetrice King, Majority Draw with Charles Davis. Hes a decent fighter but hes nothing special. Sure he struggled big time with Derric Rossy a guy that Joshua or Whyte would blast out. Judging by Stivernes last performance youd fancy Whyte to beat him.
Even at this stage there's not much between Wilder/Joshua on paper.
Wilder can chin out anyone if he catches you right but nobody can seriously watch him and think he is more skilled than AJ. Wilder's only chance would be to bang him out before he gets banged out. Unlikely.
Fat arse Stiverne isn't going past 4 rounds.
How deep is the ocean?
I think the money that backed him at the beginning is recouping some of it with "home town cooking".
Theres nothing wrong with it every champion does it when they first get a belt. I think he will fight Povetkin sp) farely soon and I think he will give him a good fight. If the kid can continue to relax in the ring while maintaining hardline focus he will do ok in his career. He's actually got decent head movement unfortunetly his hands drop and leans in far to often but Fury does the same thing when he throws.
None of these guys have strong techniques but they bring some excitement and thats been missing far to long.
Ray
Wilder can ~Foreman~ his 'way' to a °°Lennox°°___type career, getting only
√smoked
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