Billy Joe Saunders offered lucrative world title unification showdown with Kazakh knockout artist Gennady Golovkin | Daily Mail Online
He's got to take this. Even when he loses he will win both in cash and reputation.
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Billy Joe Saunders offered lucrative world title unification showdown with Kazakh knockout artist Gennady Golovkin | Daily Mail Online
He's got to take this. Even when he loses he will win both in cash and reputation.
Might as well take it. I doubt he will ever be ready for GGG. May as well take the money and exposure without risk to his reputation.
Agreed - as long as it doesn't ruin him and it is big enough. He's also in the driver's seat now. Should he really take the Kazak fight immediately after getting the belt, or do like Canelo, and take a defense in the interim? Is there any demand for a rematch with Lee? Will PBC make a higher offer to him to face Danny Jacobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
If I was Saunders I would take a couple of defences and then try and unify against Eubank when he wins a title.
I for one think this fight would be fairly interesting
Ggg hasn't fought anyone who's as good a boxer as Saunders
In fact I think Saunders would be unbeaten had he fought the same fighters as ggg
Are you drunk now celebrating the new year?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
No hes right.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAre you drunk now celebrating the new year?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Saunders would at the least give Golovkin problems. He fights to the level hes fighting and it would at least be interesting. Not exciting but I can see Saunders bemusing Golovkin. Weve seen other fighters do it but fighters who take punches. Saunders doesnt take alot.
The only hold up willm be Saunders himself. After being filmed saying Golovkin would beat him and Eubank on the same night does he really have the belief to take the fight?
As travellers this is where he and Fury differ. Tyson said for years he would beat the best fighter in his division and the most dangerous fighter on the planet whereas quite the opposite Saumders has rubbished his own chances.
Even Warren has said so in the artical itslf that Saunders doesnt think he is ready but Saunders actual words werent just that he wasnt ready. It was that he would be beaten easy.
It good to see GGG actively pursuing the belts. Take Saunders and then Canelo. I don't really know what options saunders has now. A rematch with lee maybe (but lee mentioned winding up his career) and his late start and coming up short kind of puts a damper on that. If saunders takes the GGG fight, he gets more money that he's probably ever made and no shame if he loses to GGG, which is probably his safest bet. After that he would still have appeal in the UK.
If he holds the belt and avoids GGG, he doesn't make the big money and goes the kell brook route. Canelo has appeal and a bigger appeal with or without the belt, which guarantees him a decent check no matter who he fights. Nursing that title would work out better for Saunders if the straps were evenly spread around. But it looks as though the world has...
GGG -- [WBA (Super), IBO, WBC (Interim) and IBF Champ] supposedly to lock in a fight with the official WBC titlist in Canelo in September.
This leaves Saunders with the 4th belt (wbo) sitting on the shelf sucking his thumb till the dust has settled. Without a local rival that can really drum up some publicity (like a khan could for Brook-- maybe Eubank is that? Brits Chime in...) ... i don't think it will pan out the way he thinks if he plans on simmering, building his brand and racking up money till a year from now (3 months after the rumored September fight.
Actually, i'd be looking to fight Canelo in the interim if i were Saunders (Canelo brings even more bargaining power to the table with the WBO added to his WBC when he fights GGG) so I'd have something he wants. He stands more chance outboxing Canelo than GGG provided he stays on his bike and uses his head movement. If he outboxes canelo and loses on popularity. He still can make a case for fighting GGG (whether he's the winner/loser of the canelo fight) if GGG doesn't move up right after unifying.
Whatever he does, Saunders has to strike while the irons hot.... people are already starting to forget his name. At the very least, enter negotiations with someone and leech himself some coat tail publicity.
Wholeheartedly agree with the above. Saunders should be pursuing Canelo, and to be honest, it's a fight he can win. Canelo doesn't fight 3 minutes a round and Saunders may well nick rounds which could be the undoing of Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
The only problem I can see is that I reckon in his interim fight before GGG , Canelo will make someone boil down to 157 or 158, and Saunders has absolutely no chance of doing that.
Either way, Saunders will make very good money fighting Canelo or GGG , and there will always be a nice payday back home with Eubank Jr. to beat again.;D
No chance this happens. It's just typical Warren doing what he always does, links his champions with the big names to get the publicity. He's been doing the same for years. Find any Warren belt holder that hasn't had a few gimme defences after winning the title.
Billy Joe will fight somebody obscure ranked in the WBO top 15 in his next fight, that's a virtual cert.
I think it will have to be a big fight. Boxnation are launching a PPV service and I reckon BJS first defense will be the first PPV fight so if he wants to sell it it will have to be a decent fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Billy Joe can't carry a PPV judging by the Lee numbers. Maybe against Eubank jr but that wont be next.
Warren will be breaking the habit of a lifetime if Billy Joe doesn't get an easy defense.
I hear what you're saying, and you could be right. But to be fair, this has all come from GGG's side. I don't think it's Warren who has been forcing it, although admittedly it doesn't do him any harm. 😄Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yeah I've seen GGG's side calling them out, they want to unify the division. Billy Joe even said he'd fight him if he gets a fortune. But that's not gonna happen. And Warren is just playing with it in public.
Fuck knows how anyone can think Billy Joe has a chance against Golovkin. And I think he's a terrific boxer. Golovkin is special.
I have always been a big Saunders fan but Golovkin pens him in and takes away that speed and elusiveness which have got BJS to where he is now. Ross is right in that he doesn't get tagged much but I think Canelo probably carries more power than Eubank Jr and GGG most certainly does. Either fight should not end his career but Warren will probably look for an easy one next.
Wait ppv box nation! No way! How can the evil ppv format still continue? It needs to die and never come back. These greedy promoters make me sick and killing the sport of next generation of fans. Sad news to start 2016. :(
Very good point, I overlooked the canelo catch-weight stips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWholeheartedly agree with the above. Saunders should be pursuing Canelo, and to be honest, it's a fight he can win. Canelo doesn't fight 3 minutes a round and Saunders may well nick rounds which could be the undoing of Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
The only problem I can see is that I reckon in his interim fight before GGG , Canelo will make someone boil down to 157 or 158, and Saunders has absolutely no chance of doing that.
Either way, Saunders will make very good money fighting Canelo or GGG , and there will always be a nice payday back home with Eubank Jr. to beat again.;D
what? is it on? and is it on boxnation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I've been praying for you, but it looks like PPV is going to bite you in the ass anyway! ;D It hurts me, honestly! LOL Y'all have more champions now and promoters really love a good PPV! You're going to be acting like a crazed football fan before long!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Frank basically says here you're having a bubble if you think we're fighting Golovkin. Has a three fight plan already for Billy Joe starting in March. Clearly wants to make the Eubank jr rematch in the summer.
Billy Joe - "I need an AK47 to fight Golovkin" :D
(poxy video wont embed - IFL/Billy Joe/Frank/9 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emL...ure=youtu.be&a
reckon chris eubank would get in with him in the same situation?
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Eubank is the draw. Saunders has a win over him which is why Eubank wants the rematch. Saunders needs Eubank to make good money.
That's not true about the money. We know Eubank Jr's next purse is £100,000 as the challenger to Blackwell (as it went to purse bids). Billy Joe is in a much stronger position, he will take the lions share of any fight between them, not only does he have a win he is now "world" champ.
Would Jr take the GGG fight? Considering they gave Matchroom/SKY the elbow to fight Blackwell it's unlikely, regardless of what they say.
What I meant was Eubank is the only name that Saunders will make good money against that isnt Glolovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Rubbish! Saunders has made more in Step aside money than Eubank is making. the following fights are all makeable and are all big money compared to what Chwistopher is earning.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWhat I meant was Eubank is the only name that Saunders will make good money against that isnt Glolovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
1. Lee rematch - if Lee wanted it . This Time Saunders is the champ and gets the Lion's Share.
2. Quillin - it would have to be in America, and they would have to dig deep for the privilege,but Kid Chocolate's people have invested a lot of money in this clown, and may see Saunders as the easiest road back to the top.
3. Jacobs - Unification fight and because they are both Champions, 50/50 split.
4. Cotto - If Cotto was interested in continuing in the MW division, they would pay Saunders good dough to try to get a title back.
5. Canelo - these are the biggest names in boxing , albeit not necessarily the best. Canelo and GBP might want this fight because they can say they are trying to unify titles , and consequently have a respectable reason to avoid GGG.
all of this as well as the GGG fight would make Saunders plenty of money. Believe me, Saunders doesn't need Eubank and Warren is in no rush to negotiate with "English!" if they take a Eubank rematch, it's because they have the upper hand in negotiations and they think it's easy money compared to the other fights.
those are examples of big money fights that are out there, but realistically, the odds are that Saunders will have 1,2,maybe 3 relatively easy defences to build up his "Profile" and then cash in with the big boys. and even if he loses any of those fights, the Eubank fight will always be there to fall back on . That's how Frank Warren does it.
and as for "Eubank would take the fight , blah ,blah." well........
1. yes , possibly, because he's a Challenger and not a Champion. and
2. If Eubank beats GGG, why has he chosen to fight for a British title rather than a World Title ?
says all you need to know about team Chwistopher.
Your essays!:p
Its like you dont have a point and have to get verbal diahrrea instead at the need to argue.
Actually Primo has mentioned some interesting matches for Saunders but knowing Warren the first one will be easy, the second would be for ppv boxnation which must mean Eubank.
Im not wasting valuable time reading all that to see his, as he likes to regularly say "conjecture" on what he thinks may be bigger money fights for Saunders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Those other fighters I saw he had mentioned dont draw big crowds. A Saunders v Eubank match drew 20,000 last time:rolleyes:
I'll keep this short and sweet now I know your attention span and levels of intelligence are so low.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIm not wasting valuable time reading all that to see his, as he likes to regularly say "conjecture" on what he thinks may be bigger money fights for Saunders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Those other fighters I saw he had mentioned dont draw big crowds. A Saunders v Eubank match drew 20,000 last time:rolleyes:
You think Eubank Jr. is a bigger draw than Canelo? 😂😂😂👏👏. You fucking clown.
Hes not a big enough draw for Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI'll keep this short and sweet now I know your attention span and levels of intelligence are so low.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIm not wasting valuable time reading all that to see his, as he likes to regularly say "conjecture" on what he thinks may be bigger money fights for Saunders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Those other fighters I saw he had mentioned dont draw big crowds. A Saunders v Eubank match drew 20,000 last time:rolleyes:
You think Eubank Jr. is a bigger draw than Canelo? 😂😂😂👏👏. You fucking clown.
Is Canelo even staying at mddle?
Just to add - the market in the states is different to here, ticket sales aren't half as important as the TV companies pay much, much more dosh for the fights. That's why you see some of these American based fighters getting paid a million quid yet there's one man and a dog in the audience.
Yes which is why Lee would probably still sell better than Saunders as an opponent for Canello. Who would know or give a fuck about Saunders in America?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
There's no point trying to educate this clown, he doesn't have a Scooby doo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Uh, Except for the people that watched Saunders BEAT Lee on HBO! :rolleyes::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYes which is why Lee would probably still sell better than Saunders as an opponent for Canello. Who would know or give a fuck about Saunders in America?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Saunders is an unbeaten "world" champion. A unification with Canelo would sell alright. But it's irrelevant as that wont be happening
I think Warren would take the cash and chance against Canelo much easier fight than GGG or Eubank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Considering he hasn't made light middle for 2 and a half years and doesn't have a LMW Title whereas he has a MW title, I'd say it's a safe bet that he's fighting at MW.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHes not a big enough draw for Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI'll keep this short and sweet now I know your attention span and levels of intelligence are so low.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIm not wasting valuable time reading all that to see his, as he likes to regularly say "conjecture" on what he thinks may be bigger money fights for Saunders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Those other fighters I saw he had mentioned dont draw big crowds. A Saunders v Eubank match drew 20,000 last time:rolleyes:
You think Eubank Jr. is a bigger draw than Canelo? 😂😂😂👏👏. You fucking clown.
Is Canelo even staying at mddle?
And as I put in my essay that you didn't have the brainpower to read, this would be a legitimate fight to unify titles AND avoid GGG.
Do you reckon Canelo is an easier fight than Eubank? Just curious.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Warren would take the cash and chance against Canelo much easier fight than GGG or Eubank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
No Warren wont, that's never been his way. When he gets a belt he keeps it as long as possible before his man is forced to fight a dangerous opponent or he makes a mistake by getting them beat (Clev-Kovalev a recent example)
If Billy Joe fought Canelo, Golden Boy would be the promoter not FW.
This division is just a little strange. None of the challengers want to fight the champion. Some of these challengers actually call themselves champions. When does boxing right itself? Andy Lee was the only champion willing to fight the Real one however now that he lost his "championship", the new champion is not ready for the real one. Its as if its a different sport. The old "boxing is a business" analogy does not cut shit anymore.