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Charles Martin: Anthony Joshua Scared To Fight on April 9 - Boxing News
So what do we think about this? It's interesting if it's true. I know Hearn wants to build AJ Gradually, but sometimes an opportunity presents itself when you least expect it. And sometimes you have to take that opportunity.
Charles Martin is a decent fighter, but if you want to be World Champion, there are more difficult propositions. AND he wanted to come over here.
He just had his first decent test and he was rocked pretty badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I can understand why they'd avoid this fight mate.
Also it isnt like itll be hard for AJ to get a few shots at a world title throughout his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe just had his first decent test and he was rocked pretty badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I can understand why they'd avoid this fight mate.
I agree, id have taken itQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
he may never get a better chance
look at david price, before the Thompson fights if he had have got a shot at martin (or a champ of the same level) you wouldn't have grumbled
he wont get many opportunities now
Yeah , he will get plenty of opportunities, agreed. But whether any are as Winnable as this , I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosAlso it isnt like itll be hard for AJ to get a few shots at a world title throughout his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe just had his first decent test and he was rocked pretty badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I can understand why they'd avoid this fight mate.
I don't mean to disrespect Martin , because I haven't seen a lot of him, and he does look decent. But, 3 months ago, when he wasn't champ, I don't think people would've been over worried if AJ had him lined up as his next opponent.
It's not like he won in outstanding fashion. not his fault , but it was pretty bizarre and proved nothing about him.
say for instance, AJ won, he'd be champ, he won't be going straight in with Wlad, Wilder or Fury, it never works like that. He would have 2 or 3 relatively straightforward defences to build his profile even further. He would still only be fighting the top guys at the same time as he's looking now , except it would be as a unification as an established champion rather than as a challenger.
I don't see it as a gimme for Joshua, has he ever even fought a southpaw before? Martin isn't special, but he's pretty decent, is about the same size as AJ exactly and does have a bit of a punch. If you think Dillian Whyte was some monster and AJ is ready for anyone after that fine, but I don't buy it just yet. That was a very good fight, but not a terrific showing imo.
"World" champion calling out a prospect?
They're gonna need a bigger venue than the O2 when AJ fights for a "world" title.
I don't think it's a gimme, far from it. But it's a World Title shot, so it's never gonna be a gimme. It's a fair point about him being a Southpaw. But again, if this fight was made 3 months ago as a learning fight with a Good Southpaw, bearing in mind everyone wants AJ to get rounds, I'm not sure too many people would've complained.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
People don’t take risks in this market. Like I've said, it’s become a caricature of itself. I agree with @Primo Carnera 110%. You need to grasp these chances and at this point even if he lost it wouldn’t hurt him. Later it could ruin his career. People are talking about Bruno's comeback and the comparisons have been made but Frank given the same circumstances would have taken this fight. Risk and Reward and the fundamentals it stands for in this sport have eroded. It’s now a rape of the rewards w/o any risk. Nobody had ever heard of Martin and his title fight was viewed as a joke because of the opponents and because it was a throwaway title by Fury. Now it’s too big a risk for boxing’s newest deliverer of heavyweight purgatory. And to offer to come to England, I already like the guy. Big deal that Whyte gave him some issues. Joshua probably fought that fight on nervous energy and the event however trivial to the outside world occupied much of his because of the past. It wasn’t Mayorga/Forrest.
I think it is sensible not to rush AJ to the world level. He does not want to be another Wilder making east defences and still learning his trade defending the title. Joshua is still relatively inexperienced.
Charles Martin is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Who is he ?
Says everything about who brings more to the table when a champ is calling out a prospect. Scared of Martin ? The fact is when AJ does fight for a world title he'll almost certainly be fighting against someone better than Martin. I agree with Hearn. AJ is going to be around for long time. Let him build. Let him grow.
Lets be honest Joshua is the one with the name and the future here, and he's not even sniffed a "title" yet. Martin was maneuvered here to simply warm a belt and serve as opponent for the one that chooses him. Joshua has options.
To play devils advocate and completely disregard the alphabet stuff; if Charles Martin were a Brit, isn't it possible this scenario would be completely reversed? It's a perfectly good fight on paper. I really don't think Joshua is half as good as some people on here seem to. Wait and see, I guess.
Does anyone seriously believe the newly crowned "world" champ is travelling across the world to get chinned by a relative novice in his first defense?
Saying i'll fight everyman and his dog is par for the course in boxing. The most important part is how much dough do you want to fight everyman and his dog.
Didn't work out to well for Michael Bent now did it ;D. Save for the relative novice part. Sort of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Boxing in America, especially for the big guys, is in very bad shape. The only guy with any real claim to anything now is Tyson Fury, other that it should only matter to the fighters themselves who is champion. Lets just see decent fights happen? Of course nobody cares about Charles Martin, but the fact that he was willing to fight Joshua in the UK should be to his credit. Sounds now like he and WIlder are more likely to tango, which again aside from the title stuff, is a perfectly good fight.
I would edit that post but instead I'll just let my day drinking be known.
Yeah good shout. Bentt tried to cash in on being "British," got bashed up at the press conference then nearly died after getting ironed in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliDidn't work out to well for Michael Bent now did it ;D. Save for the relative novice part. Sort of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Martin beat a nobody really to be a Champ but you can only beat who is in front of you ! AJ has time on
his side a bit more learning what's the hurry, yes he was hurt in his last fight but he survived and won
theses are BIG guys one punch away from disaster.
The fights are all shit and the fans are all making the point that it should be shit. Seriously, nearly everyone here agrees NOT TO TAKE THE TITLE FIGHT. All the logical replies that can be made can't get around the fact there is not one fight on the horizon where you think "these are the 2 best without question, this was the fight that needed to happen". It's hard to care about this sport in the slightest with how badly it is rigged these days. Worst era everQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Whilst I agree the heavyweight and middleweight scene is in a embarrassing situation it seems you have lost the love of the game? Boxing has these phases and you just have to recognise it for what it is. AJ is in a position where he does not have to take this fight and I believe he is right on this occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThe fights are all shit and the fans are all making the point that it should be shit. Seriously, nearly everyone here agrees NOT TO TAKE THE TITLE FIGHT. All the logical replies that can be made can't get around the fact there is not one fight on the horizon where you think "these are the 2 best without question, this was the fight that needed to happen". It's hard to care about this sport in the slightest with how badly it is rigged these days. Worst era everQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
"Martin wants an extortionate amount of money"
In other words - there's no chance it's him.
Martin is holding out for the best money he can get. He may miss out altogether.
Yes. Even if they do fancy beating Martin the problem is once he's got a title everybody is going to expect him to fight Haye or Fury or Wilder. After his last fight they're going to want to bring him on a bit slower than throwing him in for a title fight next time out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Looking at the current rankings he'd be defending the title against the names they're mentioning anyway. Being the massive draw he already is they could easily get away with several defenses before making the "super" fights.
That is basically what Wilder is doing. AJ would be open to criticism and PR wise that would not look good for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hardcore fans wouldn't like it but it wouldn't hurt him (they make up a small minority). Like Haye he already has the casual fan hooked.
Yeah he may never get a shot at the title!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lineal
I reckon the fight is gonna happen
It wont happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Hearn knows Joshuas limitations.
Watch the Whyte fight back and watch that second round how stiff Joshua looked. Whyte may never have the finesse to take advantage but lots of fighters would have jabbed his head off, out maneuvered him and finished him off when he was hurt. There were pounts he was falling over himself throwing shots because he was so off balance, rolling his whole upper body down. He didnt look world class at all. He just happened to be a bit fitter than Whyte.
Hearn isnt going to put him in with a big undefeated southpaw.
The fact an opponent hasnt already been lined up for early April shows you Hearns predicament to find someone who can test Joshua without beating him.
An old experienced warhorse like Arreola may have finished Joshua in the second. It could have looked like Haye v Thompson and Price v Thompson, or Bruno v Witherspoon.
what about if he did a number on chisora in his next fight, should he get a world title shot then?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIt wont happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Hearn knows Joshuas limitations.
Watch the Whyte fight back and watch that second round how stiff Joshua looked. Whyte may never have the finesse to take advantage but lots of fighters would have jabbed his head off, out maneuvered him and finished him off when he was hurt. There were pounts he was falling over himself throwing shots because he was so off balance, rolling his whole upper body down. He didnt look world class at all. He just happened to be a bit fitter than Whyte.
Hearn isnt going to put him in with a big undefeated southpaw.
The fact an opponent hasnt already been lined up for early April shows you Hearns predicament to find someone who can test Joshua without beating him.
An old experienced warhorse like Arreola may have finished Joshua in the second. It could have looked like Haye v Thompson and Price v Thompson, or Bruno v Witherspoon.
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
Boxing will eventually consist of champions and prospects alike fighting "risk-free" opposition, while big money fights are left to "marinate" (coined by ODLH?). The buildup to big fights will totally overwhelm the actual fights themselves. Marinating will eventually become "rotting", as time will come and go and fighters will continue their endless holding patterns. Every time a glitch appears in one of their fights, their handlers will go "OOPS..... not yet." Fans will grow old and die, and we'll just continue making threads of "What if X fought Y..... who would win?"
That's why I stick to football.
Should he?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44what about if he did a number on chisora in his next fight, should he get a world title shot then?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIt wont happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Hearn knows Joshuas limitations.
Watch the Whyte fight back and watch that second round how stiff Joshua looked. Whyte may never have the finesse to take advantage but lots of fighters would have jabbed his head off, out maneuvered him and finished him off when he was hurt. There were pounts he was falling over himself throwing shots because he was so off balance, rolling his whole upper body down. He didnt look world class at all. He just happened to be a bit fitter than Whyte.
Hearn isnt going to put him in with a big undefeated southpaw.
The fact an opponent hasnt already been lined up for early April shows you Hearns predicament to find someone who can test Joshua without beating him.
An old experienced warhorse like Arreola may have finished Joshua in the second. It could have looked like Haye v Thompson and Price v Thompson, or Bruno v Witherspoon.
He could now. Hes rated very high. Fuck knows why!
Beating Chisora arcording to some in here is a formality.
Joshua has turned down the chance to fight Chisora for the European title according to boxing scene. Hearn says he's trying to make the Martin fight.
It's a fight that would sell big, right? Obviously Martin couldn't make much money fighting most anyone else, but if he's wiling to travel and fight Joshua in his first defense good for him, hope it happens.
I dont think a chisora fight for the european title was ever on the cards for Joshua was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Chisora turned down the AJ fight, he said so himself in an IFL interview. Said he wasn't ready at this time for the fight.
Straight from the horses mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkRaVdrFDek
Chisora will never be ready, he is way past it.