So, we have a WBA World Champion, Tyson Fury... Then we have a WBA World Champion, Lucas Browne... Then we have a WBA World Champion, Luis Ortiz.
WBA is fulla fuck!
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So, we have a WBA World Champion, Tyson Fury... Then we have a WBA World Champion, Lucas Browne... Then we have a WBA World Champion, Luis Ortiz.
WBA is fulla fuck!
It is cliche and said millions of times but you are right ykdadamaja.
Having a bad day mate? ;D
Work is pissing me off. Other than that, weight loss is going less than stellar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
:rolleyes:
They are all the same and the two oldest are the worst. Taken from the rib of the NBA by changing a letter in 1962 the WBA is the oldest "world contested" boxing title on earth. Of all the people to water things down in such a way one would like to believe that they'd be the last. Its been 3 years now since they said that they were going to get rid of the redundancy. And of all the divisions to keep it in wtf? If you were going to make a start to honour what was said surly this stagnant now evolving division with new blood would be the place to start. Now Browne might fight Parker and Ortiz whoever while they wait out Wlad/Fury. Why add the titles? They are paperweights? Why do fighters agree to pay sanctioning fees for these false idols? How about just giving everybody a ribbon and a trophy?
Just call these trinket holders what they are,contenders. Vargas just knocked out Ali and won the WBO title. They have no interim or regular and Max called him a contender. Its like erosion therapy.
So stupid they are collecting 3 sanctioning fees.
It was the beginning of the 'tournament' so Browne has a court order to face Oquendo now. Ortiz faces Ustinov...why, who knows :greedy:, and then he fights Fury v Wlad winner. That's assuming all comes off injury and BS free but as long as they are shoveling the shit in the right direction..
Browne side seems irrelevant. The real single wba champ in end will be Ortiz- Fury-Wlad winner
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Originally Posted by Master
LOL.
The ultimate scam.
The only division they don't have multi champs is lightwelter, however, they have a vacant title lined up for that division too.
They took alphabet piss taking to a new level. Thing is though, as much as fans hate it, the fighters and promoters love it.
And that’s the thing that is the most puzzling and most disturbing. It’s not just "money" and if it is then these people are thieves. It’s something else and it’s almost as if fighters are wired differently even though there are still some around that we could legitimately call throw backs. It’s been nurtured though imo. The whole concept of risk and reward has been changed. I think the eighties started us down this past and more specifically Ray Leonard. He changed prize fighting. A separation occurred though. If only he had a longer career. Shelf life entered the equation. Leonard fought everyone and took risks...(big ones) and because of it was the first 100 million dollar fighter. He could have made that 100 million today having never fought those battles. Today it’s a bluff and these fighters, promoters and broadcasters have to know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I bet they're feeling like a bunch of total idiots as they sit there counting their multiple sets of sanctioning fees for each weight class.
What good is the money when the fighters do not value the titles and people question them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
They all take turnsQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I recommend chicken veggie soup twice a day X 6 to bring the weight loss under control. Negative calories.👍;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWork is pissing me off. Other than that, weight loss is going less than stellar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
:rolleyes:
It's simple, each country now has it's own set of world belts. Elementary, my dear ykdadamaja!Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I believe it was just as much about money back then as it is now. There's just more opportunity today.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitAnd that’s the thing that is the most puzzling and most disturbing. It’s not just "money" and if it is then these people are thieves. It’s something else and it’s almost as if fighters are wired differently even though there are still some around that we could legitimately call throw backs. It’s been nurtured though imo. The whole concept of risk and reward has been changed. I think the eighties started us down this past and more specifically Ray Leonard. He changed prize fighting. A separation occurred though. If only he had a longer career. Shelf life entered the equation. Leonard fought everyone and took risks...(big ones) and because of it was the first 100 million dollar fighter. He could have made that 100 million today having never fought those battles. Today it’s a bluff and these fighters, promoters and broadcasters have to know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If there was one champ per division today, and that was where all the riches were, the fighters would be falling over themselves to become the no.1 challenger.
True is some respects but apples and oranges really overall. Sure it was about money but also literally putting a meal on the table. Most fighters today would not have survived the Jewish Ghetto in New York or Langfords activity and that of many others. The 0 most likely would not exist. Risk and reward has done a 360 errrr 180.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI believe it was just as much about money back then as it is now. There's just more opportunity today.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitAnd that’s the thing that is the most puzzling and most disturbing. It’s not just "money" and if it is then these people are thieves. It’s something else and it’s almost as if fighters are wired differently even though there are still some around that we could legitimately call throw backs. It’s been nurtured though imo. The whole concept of risk and reward has been changed. I think the eighties started us down this past and more specifically Ray Leonard. He changed prize fighting. A separation occurred though. If only he had a longer career. Shelf life entered the equation. Leonard fought everyone and took risks...(big ones) and because of it was the first 100 million dollar fighter. He could have made that 100 million today having never fought those battles. Today it’s a bluff and these fighters, promoters and broadcasters have to know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If there was one champ per division today, and that was where all the riches were, the fighters would be falling over themselves to become the no.1 challenger.
To me its a sad testimony that everyone wants the WBC who is the most corrupt and fake champions holder over the last 40 years. It says something about a status quo that fighters would seek to covet such a false object and treat it as the exact opposite of what it is making millions along the way with a false representation. Its not a question of where's the beef. The beef has been taken out of the recipe and substituted with tofu. Risk ergo reward is now Reward without it and paper titles. We rarely even get unified champions anymore. Sadly a 1 belt system today most likely wouldn't work.
The cure is as bad as the disease now.
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It's ridiculous isn't it. The top lads at the WBA are all making loads of money and living nice lifestyles but they don't realise that what they're doing has no sporting integrity whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat good is the money when the fighters do not value the titles and people question them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I am sure they are not on loads of money and who can take them or the belt seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIt's ridiculous isn't it. The top lads at the WBA are all making loads of money and living nice lifestyles but they don't realise that what they're doing has no sporting integrity whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat good is the money when the fighters do not value the titles and people question them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
When have you ever heard a fighter rubbish a belt? They love them. The only people that know they're true worth - from a who's the best in the world point of view - are boxing nerds.
Stop eating you glutton.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWork is pissing me off. Other than that, weight loss is going less than stellar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
:rolleyes:
Bowe chucked it willfullyQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The WBA makes millions of dollars a year renting belts out you daft bugger. If you were making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as one of the bosses you'd probably be able to close your eyes to the fact that your organisation wasn't the most reputable sporting institution, wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am sure they are not on loads of money and who can take them or the belt seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIt's ridiculous isn't it. The top lads at the WBA are all making loads of money and living nice lifestyles but they don't realise that what they're doing has no sporting integrity whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat good is the money when the fighters do not value the titles and people question them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
No I would fight for the more prestigious title if I was the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe WBA makes millions of dollars a year renting belts out you daft bugger. If you were making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as one of the bosses you'd probably be able to close your eyes to the fact that your organisation wasn't the most reputable sporting institution, wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am sure they are not on loads of money and who can take them or the belt seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIt's ridiculous isn't it. The top lads at the WBA are all making loads of money and living nice lifestyles but they don't realise that what they're doing has no sporting integrity whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat good is the money when the fighters do not value the titles and people question them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Why fight for a WBA title if it's meaningless?!!?
:confused::confused::confused:
Or any strap. I ask myself that question every time I hear Broner boast of being a 4 division champ. As if it translates to being a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I think to a lot of big names trinkets are nothing but door prizes. Tons of guys make the decision every week to lose it on the scale rather than to work hard enough prior to keep it. When I see a diva already with 5 belts wrapped around his waist, shoulder, forehead and two held up by corner people add yet another..its empty. When I see a longshot long time plugger come up and win just one you know its just made his career, just means more. These are the guys who do make weight and pay rent.
Spot on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliOr any strap. I ask myself that question every time I hear Broner boast of being a 4 division champ. As if it translates to being a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I think to a lot of big names trinkets are nothing but door prizes. Tons of guys make the decision every week to lose it on the scale rather than to work hard enough prior to keep it. When I see a diva already with 5 belts wrapped around his waist, shoulder, forehead and two held up by corner people add yet another..its empty. When I see a longshot long time plugger come up and win just one you know its just made his career, just means more. These are the guys who do make weight and pay rent.
They all suck. The WBO constantly strips their champion then lines up Top Rank fighters to fight no hopers for their title so Top Rank can promote their "champions". Not sometimes, constantly.