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15 round decision?
Sorry, are we talking about another Ali here?
I'm sorry I don't understand the meaning of that response
1967 Ali was a seriously angry young man, and very cruel and spiteful in the ring.
He belittles and insults Bowe all the way through the build up, and he is not tongue in cheek or funny ..... He calls him fat and stupid, greedy and undisciplined, he turn the whole thing into a fight against Bowes religion.
By the time the first bell rings, Bowe is confused and defensive .... As well as being seriously intimidated by some of the people that hang around Ali.
Ali completely outclasses him in the ring, landing at will and mocking Bowe throughout. The size difference makes as much difference as it did with Ernie Terell, ie none.
By the sixth round, Bowe realises he can't get near Ali. He is cut, hurt and befuddled so he starts to look for a way out by fouling repeatedly.
He finds that he can't get close up to even foul.
By the eighth, he has shipped some serious punishment. Ali steps up the attack and begins to put some real pop in his punches. A lightning fast combination of hurtful blows all find their targets and Bowe goes down heavily. He fails to beat the count.
Critics rate this as Ali's best performance, even better than his ruthless dismantling of the Big Cat.
At some point though, Bowe surely must have some brief success with that good jab? Wouldn't land any looping overhand rights though. I think he catches Ali with some popping jabs when Ali steps into the pocket to launch that straight right arrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Ali KO very, very late, like 11 or 12.
The meaning is that IMHO and I'm sure you disagree, Ali/Clay whatever would totally outclass Bowe. Yes , there is always a size difference comparing between the ages, but that aside, Bowe, decent fighter as he was, wasn't in the same league.😄Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
No in fact I don't disagree. I think Allie would have had an easier time with bowe than he did with George ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe meaning is that IMHO and I'm sure you disagree, Ali/Clay whatever would totally outclass Bowe. Yes , there is always a size difference comparing between the ages, but that aside, Bowe, decent fighter as he was, wasn't in the same league.😄Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I was thinking the same. Like I said before, the only differential that has an impact between eras is his size.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustNo in fact I don't disagree. I think Allie would have had an easier time with bowe than he did with George ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe meaning is that IMHO and I'm sure you disagree, Ali/Clay whatever would totally outclass Bowe. Yes , there is always a size difference comparing between the ages, but that aside, Bowe, decent fighter as he was, wasn't in the same league.😄Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Funnily enough its why I think it would be easier than Foreman. Bowe was quicker than Foreman and would go chasing Ali down. This means Ali wouldn't have to wait for him to tire and Bowe would be easy to find.
Bowe was at his peak 1992 to beat Holyfield and became a fat lazy champ 1993, so Ali should win.
You mean boweh would not Chase ali down right? Because Foreman was the one chasing ali the down. Bowe didn't really chase people he sort of plodded about I think he would try to land that huge overhand right but alie did not get hit with many rights. The left hook was the tough one and I don't remember boee having a really long left hookt I do remember he have some nice short left hooks inside thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI was thinking the same. Like I said before, the only differential that has an impact between eras is his size.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustNo in fact I don't disagree. I think Allie would have had an easier time with bowe than he did with George ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe meaning is that IMHO and I'm sure you disagree, Ali/Clay whatever would totally outclass Bowe. Yes , there is always a size difference comparing between the ages, but that aside, Bowe, decent fighter as he was, wasn't in the same league.😄Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Funnily enough its why I think it would be easier than Foreman. Bowe was quicker than Foreman and would go chasing Ali down. This means Ali wouldn't have to wait for him to tire and Bowe would be easy to find.
No what I meant was I believe Bowe had a bit more movement and was a tad quicker than Foreman, who although he went after Ali , he kind of plodded towards him, he didn't/couldn't really chase Ali down.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYou mean boweh would not Chase ali down right? Because Foreman was the one chasing ali the down. Bowe didn't really chase people he sort of plodded about I think he would try to land that huge overhand right but alie did not get hit with many rights. The left hook was the tough one and I don't remember boee having a really long left hookt I do remember he have some nice short left hooks inside thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI was thinking the same. Like I said before, the only differential that has an impact between eras is his size.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustNo in fact I don't disagree. I think Allie would have had an easier time with bowe than he did with George ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe meaning is that IMHO and I'm sure you disagree, Ali/Clay whatever would totally outclass Bowe. Yes , there is always a size difference comparing between the ages, but that aside, Bowe, decent fighter as he was, wasn't in the same league.😄Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Funnily enough its why I think it would be easier than Foreman. Bowe was quicker than Foreman and would go chasing Ali down. This means Ali wouldn't have to wait for him to tire and Bowe would be easy to find.
Yeah I agree that Riddick Bowe was deceptively quick. He would not be able to use his very successful inside game on Muhammad because Allie would not lay on his chest like Holyfield did. But would have to fight from the outside and I don't know anybody who can beat Alie from the outside in 1967Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo what I meant was I believe Bowe had a bit more movement and was a tad quicker than Foreman, who although he went after Ali , he kind of plodded towards him, he didn't/couldn't really chase Ali down.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYou mean boweh would not Chase ali down right? Because Foreman was the one chasing ali the down. Bowe didn't really chase people he sort of plodded about I think he would try to land that huge overhand right but alie did not get hit with many rights. The left hook was the tough one and I don't remember boee having a really long left hookt I do remember he have some nice short left hooks inside thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI was thinking the same. Like I said before, the only differential that has an impact between eras is his size.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustNo in fact I don't disagree. I think Allie would have had an easier time with bowe than he did with George ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe meaning is that IMHO and I'm sure you disagree, Ali/Clay whatever would totally outclass Bowe. Yes , there is always a size difference comparing between the ages, but that aside, Bowe, decent fighter as he was, wasn't in the same league.😄Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Funnily enough its why I think it would be easier than Foreman. Bowe was quicker than Foreman and would go chasing Ali down. This means Ali wouldn't have to wait for him to tire and Bowe would be easy to find.
Agreed.😄Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYeah I agree that Riddick Bowe was deceptively quick. He would not be able to use his very successful inside game on Muhammad because Allie would not lay on his chest like Holyfield did. But would have to fight from the outside and I don't know anybody who can beat Alie from the outside in 1967Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo what I meant was I believe Bowe had a bit more movement and was a tad quicker than Foreman, who although he went after Ali , he kind of plodded towards him, he didn't/couldn't really chase Ali down.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYou mean boweh would not Chase ali down right? Because Foreman was the one chasing ali the down. Bowe didn't really chase people he sort of plodded about I think he would try to land that huge overhand right but alie did not get hit with many rights. The left hook was the tough one and I don't remember boee having a really long left hookt I do remember he have some nice short left hooks inside thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI was thinking the same. Like I said before, the only differential that has an impact between eras is his size.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustNo in fact I don't disagree. I think Allie would have had an easier time with bowe than he did with George ForemanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe meaning is that IMHO and I'm sure you disagree, Ali/Clay whatever would totally outclass Bowe. Yes , there is always a size difference comparing between the ages, but that aside, Bowe, decent fighter as he was, wasn't in the same league.😄Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Funnily enough its why I think it would be easier than Foreman. Bowe was quicker than Foreman and would go chasing Ali down. This means Ali wouldn't have to wait for him to tire and Bowe would be easy to find.
Bowe would give Ali nightmares in the ring his reach and size not mention how fast he was for his size nothing like that in the 1967. Ali would a have the same problems with Lewis but even worse Norton all over again pretty much. Ali in most of his fights was the taller man with longer reach take that away he still has speed on his side but it will make him look a lot more human. I not going to say who wins but it be ugly fight and would not be very exciting i feel the style clash makes it unwatchable.
Exactly how I see it...first word to the final word. 1965-1967 Ali threw Punches moving forward not back peddling. Reflexes...God given talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Bowes biggest fight involved him doing bad Ali impressions sitting on the stool between rounds.
He knew who dad was ;D. Really Ali would leave him in lurches and avoid the inside uppercuts from hell. I don't see Bowes jab as huge factor as 67' Ali simply would not be there. Sure sure, he'd be outsized and Bowe would look to bulldoze but that benefits Ali all the more. Bowes lumbering feet of 93' would betray him. Bowe didn't face much hand speed over all. Holyfield, Tubbs (didn't win that either) and Hide aside, Ali was on another planet.
Bowe did have that jab, he also had the height and weight with a remarkable chin. Ali would have to work out how to beat those qualities.
Bowe took many heavy skull shots and wasn't ever KOed. Ali would NOT ko Bowe. You're right about his chin. Nor did he cut. Ali's toughest night 'twould beQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bowe for all his toughness has suffered the same fate as Ali had his brain scrambled by taking to many
head punches, Ali on points 15 rounds.
Ali would go the same way Herbie Hide did.
I could that but Hide had no chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Passing this along from @Bill Paxtom
July 9, 1970 ~arena somewhere near Cleveland, Ohio;
Riddick Bowe: "In Round 3, Ali hit me with a straight right hand that 'pissed' me ~off~…… I decided Bid Daddy had to start throwing some Bensonhurst Brooklyn Bombs."
Muhammad Ali: "Bowe is an ugly Seagull. The only way I lose to an ugly Seagull is if the Seagull comes in prepared and ready, and I don't really train good."
Bowe: "Well this Seagull is ready to ~tan~ your 'hide'".
Do we forget how easily Bowe was there to be hit??? Sure outside of Hide, Holyfield, Martin, Coetzer, Golota or a Lane he was rarely shook and/or rocked but ffs...Bowe often worked for a guy to fall into his wheel house. He wasn't beyond becoming flustered, out jabbed and out quicked.
Hide hurt Bowe so Ali could too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Hide had pop but prior to even Bentt he was beating up a who's who of retread journeymen and off longest time out of the ring going into Bowe. Oh and..he was Hide not Ali ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHide hurt Bowe so Ali could too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
You don't hammer a nail with one blow, and just reoccurs to me how Bowe was hit clean by some much lesser opposition.
Ali and Hide power are not even close to the same Ali was wear you done out box you type of guy. Also he had a lot of stoppages on cuts which Bowe did not really get cut that often in his career. I think it be a close fight Bowe was something not seen in 60's he was giant with a lot of skill and motor.
ali ud
Riddick Bowe as I mentioned in another thread loses his concentration during matches He has speed but sacrifices it by being too close to his opponents whereas Ali slides out and back to ring center where he was superior. The one thing that bothered me about Bowe was that he lapses into a lazy phase during a fight and actually stays there for a while to catch a breather. Ali was razor sharp puncher in his youth and his eyes like those of Ray Leonard were wide open. Both men were alert but Bowe wa a part time worker in that department. No less than a UD for Ali.
I think Beau nails ali with a monster uppercut in a clinch
Ali V Bowe 1967 pretty much goes the same way as he handled the bigger Ernie Terrell! Ali by easy UD decision.
Bowe was easy to hit & ate too too much.
He was tremendous in beating Holyfield the first time, but he would never have beaten the '67 Ali.
Ali on points, unanimously.