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Just seen that one judge had it 4-1 for Canelo and another 3-2 I mean really ? Now I do really not like Canelo and it mostly because of Oscar I just hate that faggot I mean I relally dislike the dildo loving cunt but if GGG fight happens he better hope he gets the ko cause if not he's getting fucked on the scorecards no one is getting a points win against Canelo. I had the fight going 4-1 to Khan thought Canelo looked shit until the 5th
I agree with you. I had Canelo winning the fifth and that was it. The sixth was close before the KO.
Money talks and with Mayweather and Pacquaio retired, Canelo is the biggest money maker in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
I understand that but you can't be getting judges constantly and obviously scoring in your favour when your not wining. That 4-1 score card is just mind blowing I will be shocked if Canelo loses on the cards everQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkMoney talks and with Mayweather and Pacquaio retired, Canelo is the biggest money maker in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Jesus that is laughable, Khan definitely had the first 3 rounds, could the 4th haved gone to Canello? I think I had it as closer than the opening 3 but still gave it to Khan and the 5th was definitely Canello
that 3-2 to Khan worst case scenario
mind you though, Canello did get a result off one of the judges against Floyd so its hardly surprising
Terrible judging if that was the case. There is just something ugly about how Canelo has been hand held through so many easy fights and judges seem to be in his pocket in the bigger ones. I thought Cotto did enough to earn a draw and then these cards. It's too much.
I had Khan up 4-1. It's difficult not to give Khan rounds really. He was always outlanding Canelo until the 5th which I think Canelo took on landing a couple of telling body shots and an open shot at the head. Khan lost his concentration with that free shot and probably realised just how big Canelo was with the body shots.
Still though, Khan was the sharper fighter. Canelo was patient and knew Khan would give him something and the chin is no secret. I hope Canelo feels bad for doing that to a much smaller fighter with chin issues. He could have killed him.
Al Haymon controls everything else so naturally Golden Boy will protect what they have in Canelo. That is the main reason this fight was made because Oscar still controls the middleweight championship with his stable. Expect more cherry picking and shady scorecards from here on out. Don't be surprised if they try a Canelo vs Matthysse fight at catchweight either.
1 judge had Canelo beating Floyd !
If Canelo does ever find the courage to defend against Golovkin, he knows he just has to survive 12 rounds & he'll be given the decision
Canelo ever gets in the ring with GGG judges will not be needed,;) as they say chopped liver Canelo
will take a beating.
4-1 Canelo? Fuck i had it a shutout 5-0 Khan, Canelo wasn't doing nearly enough until the 6th round.
Steve bunce said that if alvarez doesn't agree to fight GGG or if he makes demands then he will be stripped, apparently they have 90 days to come to an agreement if I remember rightly.
He said it straight after the fight on boxnation, I can't check now but if no one else can listen out for it I'll find it later and let you know what was said
These judges need to be exposed and shamed. The judge needs to explain why he came to those scores.
Khan would not have won a decision even if he out boxed Canelo for 12 rounds. Worse than a joke it is criminal.
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It was a clear 4-1 going into round 6 but you could see that Khan had lost track after the little cut and for some reason stepped in and stayed inside.
Its amazing anytime and event needs a shill they hire Byrd and the likes of Feldman
You all know that I'm not khans biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but I have to admit he was doing well up until the 5th, regardless of what I think of a boxer I will always hold my hands up and say that I was wrong.
I said before the fight I was fearful that Khan could pull something out of the bag but I'm not going to knock him for his performance, he didn't disgrace himself at all and no one can pass comment on his chin with regards to the ko punch.
The score cards are fucking ridiculous though, it is the one thing that blights the sport that we all love but it is so ingrained in the sport that it is expected and accepted to the point that you know what fighters will get a result depending on where they are fighting.
It shouldn't be that way
Speaking of bad scorecards did you see one judge gave Chisora the nod over Pulev. Won 2 rounds max being generous.
That is more down to stupidity, Canelo is clear corruption where the judge has been paid with cocaine and mexican hookers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Ah, ok, it's stupidity when a Brit gets a dodgy card, but it's corruption if it happens against a Brit ?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is more down to stupidity, Canelo is clear corruption where the judge has been paid with cocaine and mexican hookers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Unfortunately I did not see the whole fight. I saw about two and one half rounds and I must say this, the seeing eye dog should have scored this fight. I actually thought Khan was at least able to go further than I expected and he did. Unfortunately people paid good money for a bully to slap around one of the smaller kids. Khan, when he was boxing and jabbing actually in my eyes exposed Alvarez who a certain post was wondering if he got the passenger instead of the tired weak cab driver instead. He did however see that Khan forgot to get in position and the right hand over the left and his weak chin caught full force and nothing can change the fact that he won. I did not see the opening rounds but I heard that he chased Khan. That isn't what ring work is about so if I guessed wrong let me know.
I didn't watch the fight until today and I don't really understand the outrage. The cards were bad but even before the KO shot Khan was wilting. Canelo had his best round in the 4th, bettered that in the 5th winning the round and KOed him in the 6th. The fight had turned. If the shot didn't come in the 6th it was still coming.
And frankly I don't see why Khan is getting so much credit. Yes he took early rounds. But he had done nothing to deter Canelo. He was winning on movement and speed but absorbing the greater punishment. It wasn't ever going to work for 12 full.
I just saw the ko so i have no idea what the fight was looking like but Khan has always been a very strong fighter in the opening rounds. Also with Canelo i have no idea how he weighs so much because he looks like he fucking 5'7 even though he listed at like 5'10.
Hey master did you see the fight night weight for both fighters if so could you tell me how much Khan and Canelo weighed. I wondering if he does fight GGG who will have sized advantage because i never seen what GGG weighs on fight night always made me wonder.
I had it 3-2 for canelo, although i think the thrid round could have gone either way. I thought a lot of khans punches were being blocked and canelo was doing some good body work and damaging khan.. The punch stats seem to reflect this too, lederman also had it 3-2 canelo but neither of those(lederman&compubox) are perferct :S .. Canelo started badly/slowly but was certainly taking controlQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Had it a clear 4-1 Khan entering 6th but you could see a physical shift late fifth and start of ko round. Khan looked like a guy trying to scramble up a mountain of soft sand. He was decent with a flurry here or there and had a clear plan probably rehearsed a hundred times but you could feel the roof about to collapse. Wasn't at all impressed with Canelos whole approach and he almost looked dismissive from the start, loading up and missing very badly in spots trying to land that one shot.
He was boxing beautiful through the first 4 rounds and doing everything right. He took full advantage of Alvarez's need to come to a complete stop and reset to throw a power shot. Alvarez missed more times over the first 4 then I've ever seen him miss before save Floyd. Khan controlled the distance perfectly, changed direction, used the entire ring and his speed did not abandon him. Something happened to Khan after he got cut in the 5th. I think he lost that round and you could see that not only did he step in giving away what led him to command the previous 4 rounds but he started stepping straight back and straight up when Alvarez started making contact. Its like his brain turned off and he completely left the game plan and it happened in an instant. I cant believe he was on empty. In round 6 he walked right into the pocket more or less and stayed there like he had to ko Alvarez or lose over the cut. A cut that was not even an issue after the initial slice. He simply cant handle any kind adversity. He's the one that has supplied the blueprint.
3-2 Canelo was fair enough which two of the judges had it.
Khan didn't lose because his brain went, he was boxing terrific, but Canelo was consistently throwing his right hand to the body waiting to trap him, switched it up stairs and that's all she wrote. Both men deserve credit.
I agree with all of this. And add to it that I don't think Canelo deserves much credit either. I thought he was very laboured the way he tried to get inside of Khan. I thought he looked poor if I'm honest up until that one punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
only one of the judges had canelo at 3-2, the other had it 3-2 for khan and the other rather generous to canelo had it 4-1 for alvarez..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think 3-2 either way was the correct score. The scorecards really aren't outrageous.
4-1 is pushing it though.
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Originally Posted by palmerqonly one of the judges had canelo at 3-2, the other had it 3-2 for khan and the other rather generous to canelo had it 4-1 for alvarez..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think 3-2 either way was the correct score. The scorecards really aren't outrageous.
4-1 is pushing it though.
He won the first 4 on most peoples scorecards across the web. Who cares what the hacks like Byrd and Feldman had. They are two of the worst boxing judges on the planet and Khan mentally fell apart in round 5 and a blind man could see it in real time. Khan was putting on a clinic and Alvarez could barely touch him over the first 4 rounds. Khans the one that folded upstairs at the moment he faced something adverse which is what he always does and we can post the fight right here and I tell you and point out the precise moment when he fell apart.
I am not so sure, it looked to me like a lot of kahns punches were being blocked. Canelo threw more and landed more throughout the fight(according to compubox :S), watching it on the tv I thought canelo was landing more and more powerful too, canelos body shots looked particulary damaging and seemed to take a lot of kahn, canelo was managing to feint him pretty good too and it was a feint that set up the ko punch. I guess it depends how you score fights really and how you compare various things, movement to damage , head to body shots and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerqonly one of the judges had canelo at 3-2, the other had it 3-2 for khan and the other rather generous to canelo had it 4-1 for alvarez..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think 3-2 either way was the correct score. The scorecards really aren't outrageous.
4-1 is pushing it though.
He won the first 4 on most peoples scorecards across the web. Who cares what the hacks like Byrd and Feldman had. They are two of the worst boxing judges on the planet and Khan mentally fell apart in round 5 and a blind man could see it in real time. Khan was putting on a clinic and Alvarez could barely touch him over the first 4 rounds. Khans the one that folded upstairs at the moment he faced something adverse which is what he always does and we can post the fight right here and I tell you and point out the precise moment when he fell apart.
also what is so bad about feldmans card that you keep having to name him, he had kahn ahead, I have seen a few people online score it 3-2 various ways, ledermann on the broadcast too.
ops it was adelaide byrd that had kahn ahead my mistake:S
Yes. I'd say Canelo has peaked. Khan definitely made him look bad. But those body shots were hurting Khan. After the 3rd his mouth was wide open. I think it was the 4th(but I could be wrong on which round) Khan actually jumped completely off the ground in an attempt to soften a blow. If you look at Khan when he is on the canvas his left side is badly bruised from the straight rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree with all of this. And add to it that I don't think Canelo deserves much credit either. I thought he was very laboured the way he tried to get inside of Khan. I thought he looked poor if I'm honest up until that one punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
It just seemed exactly as we all thought it would be except Canelo looking a little worse and the KO a little more spectacular.
@IamInuit put it up in another threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
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Originally Posted by Mr140
That's disgusting. He's a stone heavier than him on fight night.
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I had it 4-1 for Khan going into the 6th.
But CompuBox does not record a single round where Khan landed more punches. (see attachment above).
This, gives me some pause because I did not give Khan any rounds due to power. I thought he simply landed more punches and was making Canelo miss a lot. CompuBox also calls into question that last point (missing a lot) but does not show the rd for rd breakdown for the metric in question (connect %).
It’s possible CopmpuBox is wrong. But its also possible that I, and presumably commentors here, simply assumed Khan was landing when he was merely throwing.
Maybe the Judges, who sit ringside after all, actually got a better view.
That's not right at all. I would like to see an end to things like this. Not only did Canelo fight someone who was at his best at 140, but he barely squeaks a phony weight and then adds a ridiculous amount of weight making it even more of a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I want to see Canelo fight Golovkin and be taught a lesson. He just comes across as a spoiled bully with everything handed on a plate to me. A bit like Chavez Jnr, but with an unknown Irish Dad.
You have basically got a welterweight going in with somebody who is a super middleweight come fight night. It all needs looking at. A fighter should not be able to re-hydrate 22lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThat's not right at all. I would like to see an end to things like this. Not only did Canelo fight someone who was at his best at 140, but he barely squeaks a phony weight and then adds a ridiculous amount of weight making it even more of a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I want to see Canelo fight Golovkin and be taught a lesson. He just comes across as a spoiled bully with everything handed on a plate to me. A bit like Chavez Jnr, but with an unknown Irish Dad.
The 4-1 judge gave Canelo the first round which I can't see at all. But looking at their scorecards all the other rounds were fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqonly one of the judges had canelo at 3-2, the other had it 3-2 for khan and the other rather generous to canelo had it 4-1 for alvarez..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think 3-2 either way was the correct score. The scorecards really aren't outrageous.
4-1 is pushing it though.
I've seen loads of fans/journos/boxers that had it 3-2 Canelo /5-0 Khan /2-3 Khan /4/1 Khan.
Just read Doug Fischer - from The Ring mag - had Khan 5-0 ringside but 3-2 when watching it back.
It will always be impossible to get everyone on the same page when it comes to scoring.
Don't ever trust compubox. It's a very ineffective way to see who is winning the fight. I rarely care what compubox says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manju