Just reading this on twitter. Disaster was really looking forwad to this fight.
No surprise really though.
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Just reading this on twitter. Disaster was really looking forwad to this fight.
No surprise really though.
This is the same thing Maria Sharapova tested positive for, it was only recently added as a banned substance and apparently his levels were very low. Also read that there was dispute as to when the testing would begin which almost prevented the fight from happening, that COULD mean Povetkin had stopped using it and was just worried about it clearing. I think it should be up to Wider whether he still wants to fight him or not, as a selfish boxing fan.
From Wikipedia
Meldonium was added to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) list of banned substances effective 1 January 2016 because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance. It was on the 2015 WADA's list of drugs to be monitored. WADA classes the drug as a metabolic modulator, just as it does insulin.
What Is Meldonium, And Why Do Athletes Like Maria Sharapova Take It?
Well I wasn't suspicious of the win streak after the Klitschko fight before this, but I am now.
hmmm... wow... last dude got a 2 year ban
Good so the Atomic Helicopter Sha-Nay-Nay Wilder will have to fight David Hate.
Is anyone here a bio chemist who has a working knowledge of shelf life with these agents? This drug was fine/not included until January of this year. Is it possible that this chemical could be found in a blood test 5 months after it was actually taken? And if so is it fair to then ruin someone over something they stopped taking once they knew it was added to the banned list?
Yes, and I feel that's highly likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
*Actually I know fuck all about this but it still seems like that's plausible and is what I was trying to say :P.
The maker of it says it can indeed take months to leave your body. But, why was he taking it in the first place? I highly doubt he has myocardial ischemia.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
It was placed on the PED list because it is a PE, maybe it wasn't banned before but these athletes weren't taking it for its intended purpose they were taking it to performance enhance.
It seems like both sides should be reasonable because we know what we need to know, athletes could still be testing positive even if they stopped taking it when it was banned(shortened suspension). But athletes were taking something unnatural to gain an advantage(so accept shortened suspension)
Define "unnatural" though? That opens a whole nother can of worms. I'd bet there aren't many elite fighters who don't take some kind of supplement which doesn't exactly grow on trees. If it legit wasn't banned and he stopped taking it when it became so, then he shouldn't be punished imo. For the record, I don't doubt he was also taking other things which weren't detectable, and I wouldn't doubt Wilder is/was also.
Unnatural like it isn't something the body needs. B12, okay, the body needs it. Omega 6, Omega 3, okay the body needs them, vitamin C etcetera.
We can use common sense, it is a drug, it isn't something that occurs naturally. But we can take common sense further. In communist countries they were impregnating women to adjust their hormones then giving them abortions for training advantages. Rather clear that it is unnatural even though pregnancy is natural. Of course women have their own rights with their own bodies but if a woman gets pregnant every time she has a competition coming up and gets an abortion only at peak gain timing it isn't a great mental leap to decide she is doing it for unnatural gains.
We as people tend to over complicate everything. I understand because people want to always take every possible inch. But this isn't complicated. These athletes went to their doctors asking for an extra boost. We know this because the drug is for myocardial ischemia. If you don't have myocardial ischemia you don't need it. If a person went to a doctor for an extra boost they are performance enhancing, whether a drug is outlawed or not. If you are using something outside its intended purpose to make gains....
Ban him for life, no excuses. Povetkin did look more musclebound. It gives Wilder an out now, when I wanted him tested.
If the fight went on and Wilder won, would it really have made him a world class fighter to his critics?
Supposedly he tested clean for it two weeks before he tested positive for it so it wasn't in his system from months ago
If can be one of the longest words in boxing but clean win..irony huh ;D..vs Potetkin is full respect and credit. I've yet to come close to buying Wilder as a complete work and think his flaws may already be too deep but betting he'd do it vs Povetkin more spectacularly than the only guy to beat him so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
How many fighters won titles on the shit before January? How many lost titles on it? This entire juice thing is an odd piece of machinery.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Povetkin was negative in VADA tests on 4/7, 4/8, 4/11. Positive on 4/27. Story that substance in system was from 2015 before ban is fantasy.
Dn Rafael on twitter
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Originally Posted by powerpuncher
That is good to know and have seen similar reports but its still not definitive. They said they had not used since Sept 2015. They tested negative 3 times in early April but got a positive late April. Again I am not a bio chemist but is it possible that this agent could show up randomly after use is stopped?
Doesn't seem likely but anything is possible. He got tested clean more than once before getting a positive test. That makes me think it wasn't a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
That is good to know and have seen similar reports but its still not definitive. They said they had not used since Sept 2015. They tested negative 3 times in early April but got a positive late April. Again I am not a bio chemist but is it possible that this agent could show up randomly after use is stopped?
Id imagine it is possible but unlikely. Traces of the drug could get stored in fatty tissue and then when it gets broken down get released back into your system.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherDoesn't seem likely but anything is possible. He got tested clean more than once before getting a positive test. That makes me think it wasn't a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
That is good to know and have seen similar reports but its still not definitive. They said they had not used since Sept 2015. They tested negative 3 times in early April but got a positive late April. Again I am not a bio chemist but is it possible that this agent could show up randomly after use is stopped?
Urine testing is well known to be not the best method anyway. A very effective and even less intrusive method is hair testing.
Deontay Wilder v Alexander Povetkin off after Russian tests positive for meldonium
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps..._positive2.jpg
This month's WBC heavyweight title fight between American champion Deontay Wilder and Russia's Alexander Povetkin has been called off.
Povetkin, 36, tested positive for "low concentrations" of meldonium in April.
On Sunday, WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman confirmed on Twitter that the fight would not take place as scheduled on 21 May in Moscow.
The World Anti-Doping Agency said in September it was adding meldonium to its banned list from 1 January, 2016.
Recent Wada figures showed there had been 172 positive tests for the drug this year - 27 of those involving Russians.
Deontay Wilder v Alexander Povetkin off after Russian tests positive for meldonium - BBC Sport
Postponed not cancelled. So what if they suspend Povetkin 6 months, Wilder has few immediate options as far as top 10 opponents...Andy Ruiz???
That would be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Wilder will need a fight quickly. What price "let's go champ," ? ;D
Well 'fun-size' at least ;D Shame to lose the training and build when something like this happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat would be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Why not? Andy barely had a glove put on him last night when he butchered poor Ray Austin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
lets go champ! !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by primo carnera
Will you let him go? Briggs is not real. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraelets go champ! !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by primo carnera
Listening to the BS from Povetkins camp hurts the ears. You tested clean 3 times then dirty but it was from before. Unlikely, but even so that he is claiming to be a clean fighter is undoubtedly BS because he doesn't have the condition that called for the drug. In all this if you claim it was in your system before why aren't they asking to retest the B samples from before to show it was in your system then? Why aren't they requesting to test the B from the positive test now? The answers are simple, he's dirty as F! It isn't even debateable that he took it. So the argument is when, the evidence says recently but these proven cheats are to be trusted over the evidence. F that!
But they know they bring the WBC the biggest check and this is boxing. So watch everyone bend over backwards for that money. WBC will almost certainly embarrass the sport again for their profit.
Povetkins people are still claiming its not off. Part of the claim comes from the test being below the acceptable amount. So they already have an acceptable amount for a drug they just banned in January? Those tolerated amounts are reserved for those peds that have proven to be helpful in physical injury. My understanding as I read more about this stuff is that its a heart med and based on what it seems to do or said to, its like EPO. What injury could they claim for its use. There is obviously something more to this. Its supposed to be pretty black and white. I dont think anyone knows its longevity and levels in the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Boxing News and results, Best source for the latest Boxing News, updated 24/7 - Fightnews.comQuote:
Alexander Povetkin promoter Andrey Ryabinskiy held a press conference on Monday in Moscow to address the current status of the troubled Wilder-Povetkin fight.
Andrey Ryabinskiy: “If we don’t come to an agreement about the fight with Wilder’s team, we are ready to meet them in court. The fight is not cancelled but postponed, we are discussing a new date. There are no legal barriers for the fight. The official Wilder-Povetkin fight status is “postponed.” Everything else is just thoughts of some persons…All claims against Povetkin are legally unsound. This is just an inflated press story.
“Povetkin didn’t fail a doping test. He has 15 times lower meldonium concentration than the limit established by WADA. Now we need to pass additional tests, then we will set a new date of the fight and do it.”
Alexander Povetkin: “I have nothing to fear, I am a clear fighter and I have not been taking meldonium since it was prohibited. I was perfectly ready for the fight and I am very upset with its postponement. I don’t want to say anything bad about Wilder and his team. Russian people don’t like such things.”
Well he has a "REAL" ranking. And that's enough for some people. Welcome to the 21st century! ;);DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWill you let him go? Briggs is not real. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraelets go champ! !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by primo carnera
He's ranked?!!!# Damn...i just like his promo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell he has a "REAL" ranking. And that's enough for some people. Welcome to the 21st century! ;);DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWill you let him go? Briggs is not real. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraelets go champ! !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by primo carnera
LETS GO CHAMP!
this drug is supposed to help with cardio, not strength or power. they just banned it and it was legal before....just another supplement. now did he get off after the ban, and did they find left over in his sytem?
lame excuse not to fight imo
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Originally Posted by Andre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RV_HHkunTE
Povetkin's B sample is positive. No surprise really. Browne got a two year ban. Povetkin should get the same.
Browne got a two year ban!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I hadn't seen that! Feel a bit sorry for him as its not like the majority aren't doing it! Fairs fair, give Povetkin the same!
The only thing is the small levels again and that the next two test were cleanQuote:
Originally Posted by rossBrowne got a two year ban!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I hadn't seen that! Feel a bit sorry for him as its not like the majority aren't doing it! Fairs fair, give Povetkin the same!
"Povetkin’s sample (Dec.6) has only 0,00000000001g of Ostarine! Nov.15 & Dec.13 samples are clean" @Ryabinskiy