Nobody ever talks about that matchup what would happen in this
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Nobody ever talks about that matchup what would happen in this
Interesting fight, in my opinion. Joe was very fast and athletic, had phenomenal stamina, was mentally tough, and a very unorthodox fighter. GGG is a great puncher, underrated technician, murderous body puncher, and the best at cutting off the ring since a prime Julio Ceasar Chavez (Sr.).
I can see a case where people say Joe uses his speed and toughness to box GGG silly, as he did vs. Jeff Lacy. I see this fight going differently, however. If an ancient Hop and Roy Jones could drop Joe, I think that GGG would have the punch to stop him.
I see Joe using speed and movement to potshot GGG and take off to an early lead. I see GGG being relentless, cutting the ring off, and punishing Joe to the body, while parrying many of Joes shots. While Joe had a ton of heart and great stamina, I see the relentless pressure and body attack slowing him down, with GGG scoring a few knock downs on his way to a come from behind stoppage win.
As I said at the start of my post, great match up and I can see a solid case for either guy winning.
GGG hasn't fought anyone yet to merit the discussion.
Not that he is to blame.
Until then JC =UD
^ Pretty much agree. GGG isn't a big middleweight, and given how poor the division is now, until(if) he fights at 168, who knows? Not that JC didn't have his own stretch of weak opposition mind, just he proved to be as good as anyone could have thought when it came time, likely after he had already slipped a bit. GGG might have to hope for a similar scenario, unfortunately.
Clazaghe SD
Calzaghe looks naturally too big for him. Then throw in his speed, unreal engine, punch output, granite chin (a few flash knockdowns in nearly fifty fights), adaptability and unique style - GGG has got two hopes.
Young Calzaghe TKO.
Old Calzaghe UD.
I'd agree with all of that except the TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Let's not forget that any time GGG Has been hit hard (and he has from time to time), he's just walked through it.
Calzaghe UD All day long, young or old.
Interesting match GGG is not a big guy size count's in this match up.Calzaghe wins on a hard fought UD.
Haven't seen GGG at 168 so we don't know if his power carries (which is something that typically doesn't get asked about in the higher weight classes for some reason).
Calzaghe wasn't big on fighting top tier guys in their primes so I personally think although he certainly is one of the best ever at 168 I think his resume could have been and should have been much better.
Kovalev vs Calzaghe is the question you should be asking
I definitely think Kovalev would have beat Calzaghe, who I do think is a bit overrated on this forum.
Fair point. If you think Kovalev hammered Hopkins whereas Calzaghe struggled with him and there was only a few years difference , then fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
And Calzaghe would be up against it as he was a natural SMW and Kovalev is a natural LHW , maybe bigger.
Similar to why I think Calzaghe would beat GGG .
Fuck off!
Calzaghe beat fighters that would beat Golovkin.
No contest.
Struggled with him is a bit of an understatement, I still think that's about as hard a fight to score as there is, and I don't think there was that much difference in Hopkins form. Some, but not immense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraFair point. If you think Kovalev hammered Hopkins whereas Calzaghe struggled with him and there was only a few years difference , then fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
And Calzaghe would be up against it as he was a natural SMW and Kovalev is a natural LHW , maybe bigger.
Similar to why I think Calzaghe would beat GGG .
Yes Calzaghe struggled with the cheat Hopkins once he sused him out Hop started to cheat rolling on the floor like he had been shot.
I can't stand Hopkins always bitching to the ref play acting.
All his fights are shit to watch bloody awful fighter to watch.
Yeh I got Calzaghe over 12 all things considered. One guy yet to fight the weight or complete career aside Calzaghe had the mentality and flat out workrate. Golovkins happy go lucky hit me if you want habit of late might see him swatted around to point of messing up that haircut, but he'd be hit often. Could easily see the wheels come off Calzaghe in spots of late rounds and being hurt. We had the opportunity to watch Calzaghe vs everything from hall of famers regardless of stage to one or two big fat bubbles of hype that needed to be popped where Golovkin is pulling a few guys out of the local Planet fitness boxing class and it may be beginning to backfire. He's absolutely dominate that's to his credit and skill is obvious but it also leaves questions.
Golovkin would of never ducked Sven Ottke the way Calzaghe didQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
GGG would get strait shut out by a prime Calzaghe he is huge compared to GGG and has reach on him. Also he is faster he would destroy GGG would be a repeat Lacy pretty much as i see it. There a reason GGG not moving up and stays in the baron waste land of the division he is in now.
Note to North American friends - Calzaghe did exist before he turned 36. I know right??
Not putting the blame on you for not being aware of him, but just make a note that perhaps his physical peak was behind him by Lacy, and even further by Jones, Hopkins. People talk like that was a prime Calzaghe. Not at all. Compare like for like or state that your comparing prime GGG vs Old Man Joe....or else ;)
Can't blame North Americans though because before then he hadn't fought anyone ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Joes talent-accomplishment gap is the greatest in the sports history(not counting guys that died or were injured ending their careers) as far as I'm concerned. He was so damn good but he didn't fight people that were also good. GGG before GGG
Yeah because Golovkin is know for fighting the best and highest caliber?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseGolovkin would of never ducked Sven Ottke the way Calzaghe didQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Cant believe you even said that.
Calzaghe goes down in the 4th but wins the fight over 12 with his jab, movement, speed and superhuman combinations. Tricky early on but easier and easier as Golovkin wears down from the pace.
If Golovkin won't fight Ward he wouldn't have fought Joe either.
Joe was a massive supermiddle, bigger frame, reach and granite chin and would have comprehensively outboxed Golovkin.
Yup, but the most important part is that Joe would never have fought GGG because Calzaghe was a massive pussy and never took a risk in his entire career and why is that? Well RJJ & Hopkins damn near beat him when they were ANCIENT......so yeah, although Calzaghe was a very accomplished fighter and one of the best super middleweights of recent memory he was also not about to leave the comfy confines of England to go fight someone MORE accomplished than himself until he was absolutely certain he was going to win. Same could be and should be said about Floyd Mayweather Jr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
He fought a prime unbeaten Kessler, he fought Lacy when a lot of the boxing world were saying he was the coming thing. How many top Americans go and fight outside America? Wilder almost had to recently but only because he lost a purse bid and would have had to give his title up. Fuck, you can't get Floyd to leave Vegas or Ward to leave California.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYup, but the most important part is that Joe would never have fought GGG because Calzaghe was a massive pussy and never took a risk in his entire career and why is that? Well RJJ & Hopkins damn near beat him when they were ANCIENT......so yeah, although Calzaghe was a very accomplished fighter and one of the best super middleweights of recent memory he was also not about to leave the comfy confines of England to go fight someone MORE accomplished than himself until he was absolutely certain he was going to win. Same could be and should be said about Floyd Mayweather Jr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
2 fights in a 46 fight career and yet again Kessler in Wales and Lacy in Manchester....such bravery from Calzaghe! Gee you REALLY changed my mind :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I wish more Americans would travel and defend their WORLD titles. Deontay Wilder is a good example, and yet Kirkland I didn't mention him as he's not claiming to be "The greatest heavyweight ever!" he's pretty much a novice a Michael Grant part 2 to this point. I DID mention Floyd Mayweather Jr. how anyone could consider him among the greatest fighters of all time is beyond me. I should have also mentioned Andre Ward as well as he never leaves California and rarely leaves the Oakland San Jose area, but you did that for me.....thanks for the help.
Calzaghe was in his late 30's so his prime was over when fought them both as well. I do not get it really you call them old and Calazghe was 36 and 37 he was just as old. Also after he beat Hopkins how many others did after him not many and he was much older. GGG has not even faced anyone near Kessler level and you do not see him jumping up to face real comp is he a pussy. I guess he must be because his wins list is horde and he is waiting on guys from lower weights while fighting in a division worse then Joes. I am not even going to talk about RJJ almost beating Calzaghe that just pure hater thing to say he got clocked goofing off and then Calzaghe beat him every signal round. Calzaghe if we go by comp has fought better guys then GGG himself and won so i feel he would do just fine and fight him in Wales which would make you mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYup, but the most important part is that Joe would never have fought GGG because Calzaghe was a massive pussy and never took a risk in his entire career and why is that? Well RJJ & Hopkins damn near beat him when they were ANCIENT......so yeah, although Calzaghe was a very accomplished fighter and one of the best super middleweights of recent memory he was also not about to leave the comfy confines of England to go fight someone MORE accomplished than himself until he was absolutely certain he was going to win. Same could be and should be said about Floyd Mayweather Jr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Calzaghe is 3 years younger than Roy Jones Jr. and 7 years younger than Bernard Hopkins.
Joe Calzaghe fought NEITHER in their primes
RJJ was 4 years removed from the KO loss to Tarver in their rematch and Hopkins was 44 years old when Calzaghe finally decided to fight him.
I'm sorry Calzaghe fans, but just as people say "Well Ricky Hatton wouldn't have done that to a Prime Kostya Tszyu" Joe wouldn't have been able to beat either RJJ or Bernard in their primes and guess what......he had ample opportunity to fight both of them in their primes, and he CHOSE not to.
Well put a old Joe fought a old a RRJ and a old Hopkins, so it was all pretty even and Calzaghe was the best of the bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140Calzaghe was in his late 30's so his prime was over when fought them both as well. I do not get it really you call them old and Calazghe was 36 and 37 he was just as old. Also after he beat Hopkins how many others did after him not many and he was much older. GGG has not even faced anyone near Kessler level and you do not see him jumping up to face real comp is he a pussy. I guess he must be because his wins list is horde and he is waiting on guys from lower weights while fighting in a division worse then Joes. I am not even going to talk about RJJ almost beating Calzaghe that just pure hater thing to say he got clocked goofing off and then Calzaghe beat him every signal round. Calzaghe if we go by comp has fought better guys then GGG himself and won so i feel he would do just fine and fight him in Wales which would make you mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYup, but the most important part is that Joe would never have fought GGG because Calzaghe was a massive pussy and never took a risk in his entire career and why is that? Well RJJ & Hopkins damn near beat him when they were ANCIENT......so yeah, although Calzaghe was a very accomplished fighter and one of the best super middleweights of recent memory he was also not about to leave the comfy confines of England to go fight someone MORE accomplished than himself until he was absolutely certain he was going to win. Same could be and should be said about Floyd Mayweather Jr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Rjj i am not so sure how he would do against Calzaghe but i feel Hopkins and Calzaghe are very close fight i mean look at some of guys gave Hopkins trouble at mw. I mean if look at who they fought Hopkins comp was the same as Calzaghe expect he beat blown up welter weights with name value. Then there was Taylor who he lost to so Hopkins and Calzaghe are on par with each other as far as i can see you do not like Calzaghe because he fought in his country. I used to feel the same i am from Cali and that makes me from US last time i checked our fighters never leave our state either.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Joe Calzaghe didn't even unify titles at 168 until he fought Lacy.....and Joe had 6 more fights......wow, such a grueling career :rolleyes:
RJJ was at 175 to be fought by ANYONE WILLING from 1996 to 2002....where was Joe?
Hopkins was at 160 forever! Calzaghe was B-Hop's 3rd ever fight at 175.
Joe Calzaghe sat back, fought the likes of Tocker fucking Pudwill and waited for the best of his era to fade. FACT.
Was Calzaghe talented? Yes absolutely. Was Joe "Great"? You can safely consider him one of the best at 168. Was Joe the best of his era? No, Hell no, FUCK NO!
I say the same about Floyd Mayweather Jr and the same about Andre Ward.
Do you praise Kevin McBride and Danny Williams for beating Mike Tyson?
Then why praise Calzaghe?
Come on Hopkins stayed in mw division for ever and it was weak as shit and he was beating up a few blown up welter weights with name value. Kessler is better then anyone Hopkins has beat in mw division and in some cases lhw to. Joe is on par with Hopkins they both reign over weak division and moved up and won belts in the division up. Tell how many fighters beat Hopkins after Calzaghe did Dawson and fucking monster from Russia he beat everyone else. Tell me what Tyson did after his loses he went on to become 280 there not the same thing and you know it. Also if were going off fighters of there time there not even in the same time frame Calzaghe and Hopkins. Now back to GGG who you seem to love who the fuck has he beat nobody and why not move up himself don't see you having a fit over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I like you as a poster and think you have a lot of good points but i disagree with you here also i never said that Calzaghe was the best of his time either do not know were that is coming from. I am just saying Calzaghe being afraid of GGG pretty silly he box his ears off and he is bigger dude.
Hopkins stayed in the middleweight division for a long time.....but he unified the belts while he was there. Calzaghe just had the WBO belt until he fought Jeff Lacy which was a fight very late in Joe's career. If Joe wasn't making super fights then what was he doing at 168? Can ANYONE tell me that? Sure Svenn Ottke is a punk and wouldn't leave Germany and wouldn't fight anyone worth a damn, but there were other belts to be had no???Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Kessler was a good fighter I don't begrudge that, but for fucks sake Mikkel and Jeff Lacy are the only PRIME fighters that were any good you can say Joe fought and beat, ok MAYBE add Robin Reid. Hopkins cleaned out the middleweight division....can't say that about Calzaghe seeing how he had 1 title for the majority of his career and I'm sorry in the day and age which Joe Calzaghe fought that's NOT impressive, 46-0-0 is nice, but 1 title, it's damn near pathetic considering how talented I admit Calzaghe is....which he is....he's just not as talented as a Prime RJJ or Prime Hopkins
The fights should have been made earlier, if you think that's 100% on RJJ or Hopkins fine, I'm just not giving the same value to those fights because of when they happened. If Calzaghe fought RJJ in say 1998 and won, then we wouldn't be having this little debate but he didn't....sorry.
"Now back to GGG who you seem to love"......settle down sweetheart, I haven't even said "I'm a Golovkin fan" he's a good fighter, he's in the middle of his career and in his prime and that's about all I have to say about him. Just because I don't think Joe Calzaghe hung the moon doesn't mean I'm a Golovkin fanboy. I said Joe wouldn't fight him seeing how he's in his prime....when Golovkin is 37 a Prime Calzaghe would fight him...that's all I'm saying and I'm saying Floyd and Ward would do the exact same thing so don't get your panties in a bunch....we disagree on the internet on the subject of a hypothetical boxing matchup, it's not the end of the world....at least not for me.
Wales, mate, WalesQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Wasn't talking about his mother ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by XWales, mate, WalesQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I in no way said they were in there primes but you are comparing Hopkins to what Tyson was when he lost thats kinda over doing it Hopkins was still very game top fighter years after that. I never said Calzaghe was ranked over Jones i still think him and Hopkins comp and what did are close.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHopkins stayed in the middleweight division for a long time.....but he unified the belts while he was there. Calzaghe just had the WBO belt until he fought Jeff Lacy which was a fight very late in Joe's career. If Joe wasn't making super fights then what was he doing at 168? Can ANYONE tell me that? Sure Svenn Ottke is a punk and wouldn't leave Germany and wouldn't fight anyone worth a damn, but there were other belts to be had no???Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Kessler was a good fighter I don't begrudge that, but for fucks sake Mikkel and Jeff Lacy are the only PRIME fighters that were any good you can say Joe fought and beat, ok MAYBE add Robin Reid. Hopkins cleaned out the middleweight division....can't say that about Calzaghe seeing how he had 1 title for the majority of his career and I'm sorry in the day and age which Joe Calzaghe fought that's NOT impressive, 46-0-0 is nice, but 1 title, it's damn near pathetic considering how talented I admit Calzaghe is....which he is....he's just not as talented as a Prime RJJ or Prime Hopkins
The fights should have been made earlier, if you think that's 100% on RJJ or Hopkins fine, I'm just not giving the same value to those fights because of when they happened. If Calzaghe fought RJJ in say 1998 and won, then we wouldn't be having this little debate but he didn't....sorry.
"Now back to GGG who you seem to love"......settle down sweetheart, I haven't even said "I'm a Golovkin fan" he's a good fighter, he's in the middle of his career and in his prime and that's about all I have to say about him. Just because I don't think Joe Calzaghe hung the moon doesn't mean I'm a Golovkin fanboy. I said Joe wouldn't fight him seeing how he's in his prime....when Golovkin is 37 a Prime Calzaghe would fight him...that's all I'm saying and I'm saying Floyd and Ward would do the exact same thing so don't get your panties in a bunch....we disagree on the internet on the subject of a hypothetical boxing matchup, it's not the end of the world....at least not for me.
While we are imagining stuff,this should be fought in Ireland at some catchweight, with the weigh in on the morning of the fight.
A prime Jones/GGG would be more fun.
Got me checking this out again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAtohQ6Z0ms
Calzaghe was the greatest fighter of all time. He could not be beat. GGG is good, but he isn't interplanetary.
I do not feel he was the greatest of all time but he is a league above ggg and as for hopkins i do not get why people act like they are so different. Hopkins dominated a weak division just like he did for 10 years and then moved up and had great wins i do not see why Calzaghe always gets shit for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf