Holmes felled the Giant Cooney, but Fury is even more "gianter"
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Holmes felled the Giant Cooney, but Fury is even more "gianter"
Fury is also better than Cooney.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Holmes struggled with quite a few fighters. Spinks he couldnt deal with the movement. Would be interesting but Fury is still maturing with each fight and by next year people will be saying that he would give anyone in history a tough time. They said that about Klitschko but even though Fury beat him easy its going to take a while to sink in, as it did with Klitschko and Lewis before him.
I do not think Fury will have the longevity that Holmes had I feel Fury will burn out like Mike Tyson did.
Probably not because he holds more than one belt unlike Holmes who never unified!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
We will see but Fury has issues in his life, short temperament and achieved his lifelong ambition.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossProbably not because he holds more than one belt unlike Holmes who never unified!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fury strikes me as a beer swillin' rover with a piss poor diet to boot.
He's probably turning up a bucket of ale to wash down that roasted pig as we speak.
Back to the days of John L Sullivan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
no need to go far that back ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBack to the days of John L Sullivan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=438XDmGEIZQ
Holmes on his best night is an absolute nightmare for anyone, is all you can say imo. Could be a bit lazy perhaps, but the fact that he got caught with some of the shots he did can't go down as a big flaw when you consider how he recovered from them, and nobody ever outboxed him. He was well past it by the Spinks fights also, don't think that's quite fair.
Personally I never cared for Holmes because of the remarks he made as a racist and then when he approached the record Marciano had he turned a few heads with that remark about the old champ that was in his grave not being worthy to carry his jock strap. Larry Holmes of 1980 would have Fury eating a sledge hammer left jab. By the end of the first round in every title bout I ever saw him in, Larry's left bicep was swollen and filled with blood lubricating his joints to throw that piston like jab. He definitely would throw more punches than Fury and that right cross would make Fury shut up. He also-has better balance and Larry always did better when he was rushed as though he was an underdog. Larry by UD or late KO. Larry ill not through four punches a round and he rarely cliched unless he was grabbed by an opponent.
.. I respect your analysis of his skill. Not your favorite person...i can understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
There were many people that thought Mike Spinks was awarded the decision that separated Holmes from his IBF title out of revenge for that statement and both fights were close to add to the theory. But as it stands I still believe that Holmes would rock Fury.
Holmes had his bad days and struggled with Carl the truth Williams, who is near the height, reach and style of Fury.
With a pretty deep gash over his eye...Carl gave a memorable/class on the jab---post fight interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He said "I had the quicker jab, but Larry had the more experienced jab."
Referring to the fact he used the Jab to score. Larry was shooting past the eye, slashing his skin which created the gash.
Only other time I saw that kind of jab...with intent to slash??? Lewis vs Klitschko.
With that said....Holmes workmanlike rate and experience carries him to victory or Fury.
I agree but boxers like Witherspoon and awkward fighters like Snipes/Slinks gave Holmes famous jab problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeWith a pretty deep gash over his eye...Carl gave a memorable/class on the jab---post fight interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He said "I had the quicker jab, but Larry had the more experienced jab."
Referring to the fact he used the Jab to score. Larry was shooting past the eye, slashing his skin which created the gash.
Only other time I saw that kind of jab...with intent to slash??? Lewis vs Klitschko.
With that said....Holmes workmanlike rate and experience carries him to victory or Fury.
Fury would give him fits with his movement and jab.
If an opponent is moving so much you cant set a jab up it takes your jab away.
Ok he was older but Spinks beat him and so did Tyson and both moved their heads but he went on after this and had success and did better at an even more advanced edge against Mercer, McCall and Holyfield.
Ross stick to making fish-fingers mate, Holmes was a very good HW Champion and in his prime would have beat Fury to be honest Tyson would not be fit to carry Holmes jock strap mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Larry was a fine Champion and he was very much unappreciated by the public and media, why because he beat up Ali.
Tyson will never be the same level as Larry Holmes, if you think so you are living in lala land.:la:
What about Wladimir Klitschko? More defences and more titles, actually unfified titles unlike Holmes eho only ever held one of the titles. Would Klitschko be fit to carry Holmes Jock strap? Would Holmes be fit to carry Klitschkos?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoRoss stick to making fish-fingers mate, Holmes was a very good HW Champion and in his prime would have beat Fury to be honest Tyson would not be fit to carry Holmes jock strap mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Larry was a fine Champion and he was very much unappreciated by the public and media, why because he beat up Ali.
Tyson will never be the same level as Larry Holmes, if you think so you are living in lala land.:la:
Would Fury beat them both? Probably;D
At 6'3 and 220-225 pounds no doubt hed struggle big time with Tyson Fury. Most people who dont rate Fury dont appreciate how hard it is to beat someone so much bigger than you
Larry would not underestimate Fury, his jab with that educated thumb into Tyson eye.
Yes Tyson is big guy so was Jerry but Holmes would chop him down 😉
Fury is 4" taller than Cooney!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
For a size comparison, Steve Cunningham is the same height as Holmes. http://files.ctctcdn.com/b2ff931f001...9bacc9b471.jpg
Oh and hes actual world class...
who, cunningham ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I meant Fury!!Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqwho, cunningham ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
But Cunningham was a world champion so he was world class.
At cruiserweight. Big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI meant Fury!!Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqwho, cunningham ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
But Cunningham was a world champion so he was world class.
All aboard the USS Cunningham !
Ross Cunningham you are joking compared to Holmes, I wonder may be you are thinking Tyson is unbeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI meant Fury!!Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqwho, cunningham ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
But Cunningham was a world champion so he was world class.
Mate Fury is at best nothing special just a big guy with some ability, his size makes him difficult to beat you may say.
But I feel Fury's time as a Champ is limited and I will be surprised he makes many defences.
For fuck sake you lot are tiresome.
Silkyjoe mentioned the size difference. Someone else then mentioned Cooney was chopped down by Holmes and he was big. I thought id pount out Cooney is listed as 6.5" which is still 4" shorter than Fury. I also linked a picture of Fury stood next to someone the same height as Holmes to illustrate the difference.
You seem to have willingly confused that with me saying Cunningham is better than Holmes!? :rolleyes:
Larry Holmes would whistle a straight right into Fury's belly like a spear.
The gypsy would crumple.
[QUOTE=ross;1385658]This is very late but Fury is definitely nowhere near 4 inches taller than Cooney. They shook hands during promotions for the Wilder fight- Fury looked an inch, maybe an inch and a half taller at best. The video is on youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
[QUOTE=Dempsey19;1517200]Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThis is very late but Fury is definitely nowhere near 4 inches taller than Cooney. They shook hands during promotions for the Wilder fight- Fury looked an inch, maybe an inch and a half taller at best. The video is on youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Fury's listed at 6'-9"...... Cooney was listed at 6'-6". Sometimes posture and video angles might distort height differences a bit. Other than that, Ross is fairly prone to exaggeration so I'm surprised he didn't say Fury is half a foot taller. ;D
Regardless, '80 Holmes would've easily beaten '16 Fury, IMO.
BTW, welcome to the forum. :)
[QUOTE=TitoFan;1517204]Thank You !Quote:
Originally Posted by Dempsey19Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThis is very late but Fury is definitely nowhere near 4 inches taller than Cooney. They shook hands during promotions for the Wilder fight- Fury looked an inch, maybe an inch and a half taller at best. The video is on youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Fury's listed at 6'-9"...... Cooney was listed at 6'-6". Sometimes posture and video angles might distort height differences a bit. Other than that, Ross is fairly prone to exaggeration so I'm surprised he didn't say Fury is half a foot taller. ;D
Regardless, '80 Holmes would've easily beaten '16 Fury, IMO.
BTW, welcome to the forum. :)
Fury probably fudges his height a bit
Showtime president Espinoza said in an interview that Wilder was 6'6" and Fury was 6'7" which is probably the most accurate, Fury was actually billed at 6'7" in his amateur days.
Mike Tyson was always quoted to be 5ft 11 3/4 inches but most that have met him say he is way shorter.