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Sorry for aping the thread starter style as copyrighted by Brock, but these presentations deserve to be seen by as many people as possible. Facts will be falling out of all orifices. The only rational response to the EU is to fracture and ultimately destroy it. I don't think the guileless Brits have it in them, but clearly out is the only sensible option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zc_q9p9iYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0&spfreload=10
No mate it is YOUR TRADEMARK to pierce the phoniness of political correctness and mindless sheeple.
The EU is a farce. It must disintegrate. It is an idealistic joke. Why has Europe always fallen prey to its own idealistic fluff? Always with these "wanna save the world/pie in the sky/candy-ass" dreams and visions. Always throughout its history.
It is a replica of the Soviet Union which nobody would think a good idea, so why it is even this close means the media still has an affect with its lies (propaganda).
The numbers in the Molyneux presentations are particularly powerful and I urge everyone to read it and pass on the knowledge to people they know. 10 million immigrants in 20 years is what is known as taking the piss. 85% of all the new children born are to foreigners. Within decades Britain will no longer be. They could vote out now, but do you even trust the votes considering 2 dozen Tory Mp's are being investigated for electoral fraud? It's United North Korea.
Merkel Circle Jerkle and Obama Osama and the Destroyers of Identity are only too glad to be Social Justice Warriors at the expense of law abiding citizens.
Just the numbers alone. 29,000 pounds to relocate a Syrian to the UK. A fraction of that to help a dozen back home. The entire thing is a manufactured set up. How about help Mark and Sarah get their first home, so they can have a kid? Instead it's bomb a place and then relocate the just bombed. It's as fucked up as thinking can get. 'Let's house who we just bombed' - Nutter mentality.
Indeed Big T. ...utter nutter butters!
Donald Trump just cited a statistic that the average Syrian refugee in America receives $5,621 per year in free money but the average American citizen in poverty only receives $4,230 per year in free money. What a f****** disgrace!!!
WATCH BREXIT and laugh!
The EU is warped. Yo Turkey come in next with your 98% Muslim population. 200000 Romanians? You wait........:rolleyes:
You come on here, make a poll, take my post idea and make out it is your subject. You immigrants make me sick.
Master are you for or against Brexit and why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y
Seems like a bad governing body, no separation of powers? No checks and balances? Bad things will be coming indeed.
What an Infowars wet blanket. Corporate schills and snake oil salesmen parading as independent. Really? You all seem to be beyond challenging yourself by seeking out only that which reinforces your own very narrow belief systems. There is no debate here anymore and that is what happens when the biggest mouths drown everyone else out.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Alright, what is the value of the EU? What does the EU do for England?
Why would you listen to a head of state from another nation which A) doesn't have anything like the EU and B) is full of citizens who wouldn't DARE entertain such talk from a head of state from a different country?
I'm just curious is all.
5 and 0 for out is pretty damning. The only people wanting in are the pro immigration crowd and politicians wanting a future job. Common sense wins on this forum.
You will be waiting some time. The main thing was that he got to have a go at us and feel better about it for a few days. Logically, there is little comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Alright, what is the value of the EU? What does the EU do for England?
Why would you listen to a head of state from another nation which A) doesn't have anything like the EU and B) is full of citizens who wouldn't DARE entertain such talk from a head of state from a different country?
I'm just curious is all.
Mine is not the reason of immigration. It is the centralisation on political power in Europe and the EU market being the pawn for multi nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
So you're for BREXIT?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMine is not the reason of immigration. It is the centralisation on political power in Europe and the EU market being the pawn for multi nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I can certainly see why just from what little I know about how the EU "government" (which it is) is run. They have a flag, they have an anthem, they make laws, those are things NATIONS have and do.
The EU seems to me to be a way to erase borders and when you do that you will lose language and culture....I would HATE to see Europe just be one single nation #1 There's no fucking way the US would compete with you lot in soccer (only way England wins a World Cup is with the EU ;D) and #2 There's so much to be appreciated in all of the different cultures in Europe in all the individual nations.
Do you ever get the feeling that Miles, Brockton and Trump missed their vocation in life and should have maybe been brickies?
It is nowhere near as simple as that. The biggest reason that languages and dialect have been lost is the adoption of English as exported by the Brits - first through Empire and trade and then by America through Business and media ( not just news media, music, movies ,television popular culture etc). Virtually nobody speaks Cornish anymore and that has nothing to do with Europe. There used to be so many different languages spoken in France other then French and most of them disappeared long before the EU came along. The EU actually tries and succeeds in retaining regional diversity by protecting locally made foodstuffs , crafts and traditions etc with cultural grants and loans. I don't know much about American state borders but the free travel of citizens across state divides must be essential for business, pleasure and culture. In Europe there are countries bordered on many sides whose work force have always commuted across borders. That does not mean that the EU is not without many, many flaws but the EU debate is a bit pointless being discussed here when (and I don't mean you) the loudest voices are for those who do not even live in Europe.
In or Out the UK as an Island will never be the same as the rest of the EU. Nobody know s the European anthem or salutes it's flag and the idea that individual nations would ever merge into one big country is just fanciful fear mongering by most Brexit campaigners.
I have not decided which way to vote but unfortunately the Brexit campaign is headed by the most insidious and noxious arse henchmen in recent British political history. The kind of people that would not only kick away a walking aid, but then stand on your gran in order to get to the front of the queue when siphoning off their obscene pensions from your children's taxes and your grandchildren's University tuition fees.
Sounds right I think its where he learned the discreet napkin trickQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Why can't you talk to people like a normal human being instead of some bitter twisted retard @name calling a gang every other post?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Well the Jabba the Hutt body double known as Michael Moore has chimed in on BREXIT....
Michael Moore: 'Britain Is A Toxic Place... Should Vote To Stay In The EU'
Among other things, Michael Moore said of England “This is a toxic place.”
So as an American who cares deeply about the bond between our two nations I offer up this cow....for you to sacrifice using your amazing British humour ;)
So be our guest and harpoon that whale with some pointed insults!
Obama said we should stay, I disagree with him.
@ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWhy can't you talk to people like a normal human being instead of some bitter twisted retard @name calling a gang every other post?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
You have 3 sides now
You are spot on. Obama is a puppet mouthing the words the BIG BOYS have put a gun to his head to espouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Agreed he is not even going to be around and is none of his business.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYou are spot on. Obama is a puppet mouthing the words the BIG BOYS have put a gun to his head to espouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He is so marginalized now, kind of lame, his legacy will be a dud. Obamacare has just increased by 66% in most states, it may have been well -intentioned but turned out to be a Royal Flop, kinda like Beanz's "points".Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed he is not even going to be around and is none of his business.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYou are spot on. Obama is a puppet mouthing the words the BIG BOYS have put a gun to his head to espouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Obama has been regularly trumped
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't think that's necessarily true, at least within the space of several generations, maybe more. However, I agree with you in that I'd hate to see Europe become a single nation.
Que porqueria que tu estas hablando...Mira, parece que tu has cambiado mucho desde el ano pasado... A lo.mejor empezaste tomar muchas mofongo en Mayaguez. JajajjaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't think that's necessarily true, at least within the space of several generations, maybe more. However, I agree with you in that I'd hate to see Europe become a single nation.
I've been waiting and hoping someone would notice!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust@ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWhy can't you talk to people like a normal human being instead of some bitter twisted retard @name calling a gang every other post?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
You have 3 sides now
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQue porqueria que tu estas hablando...Mira, parece que tu has cambiado mucho desde el ano pasado... A lo.mejor empezaste tomar muchas mofongo en Mayaguez. JajajjaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't think that's necessarily true, at least within the space of several generations, maybe more. However, I agree with you in that I'd hate to see Europe become a single nation.
Tranquilo, mi hermano. Yo siempre he tenido esa opinion de Europa. Me gusta que sean diferentes paises. Pero, no tengo que ir a Mayaguez a comer mofongo. Lo tengo cerquita de donde vivo. ;D ;D
Mofongo se encuentra in todo los lados aqui. Sabes bien que estoy solamente bromiando, verdad?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQue porqueria que tu estas hablando...Mira, parece que tu has cambiado mucho desde el ano pasado... A lo.mejor empezaste tomar muchas mofongo en Mayaguez. JajajjaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't think that's necessarily true, at least within the space of several generations, maybe more. However, I agree with you in that I'd hate to see Europe become a single nation.
Tranquilo, mi hermano. Yo siempre he tenido esa opinion de Europa. Me gusta que sean diferentes paises. Pero, no tengo que ir a Mayaguez a comer mofongo. Lo tengo cerquita de donde vivo. ;D ;D
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustMofongo se encuentra in todo los lados aqui. Sabes bien que estoy solamente bromiando, verdad?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQue porqueria que tu estas hablando...Mira, parece que tu has cambiado mucho desde el ano pasado... A lo.mejor empezaste tomar muchas mofongo en Mayaguez. JajajjaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't think that's necessarily true, at least within the space of several generations, maybe more. However, I agree with you in that I'd hate to see Europe become a single nation.
Tranquilo, mi hermano. Yo siempre he tenido esa opinion de Europa. Me gusta que sean diferentes paises. Pero, no tengo que ir a Mayaguez a comer mofongo. Lo tengo cerquita de donde vivo. ;D ;D
Yo se, mi amigo. ;D
No soy tan "anal" como el zangano habichuelero ese que le lambe el roto a todo el mundo.
Tu tienes una Manera con palabrasQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustMofongo se encuentra in todo los lados aqui. Sabes bien que estoy solamente bromiando, verdad?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQue porqueria que tu estas hablando...Mira, parece que tu has cambiado mucho desde el ano pasado... A lo.mejor empezaste tomar muchas mofongo en Mayaguez. JajajjaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't think that's necessarily true, at least within the space of several generations, maybe more. However, I agree with you in that I'd hate to see Europe become a single nation.
Tranquilo, mi hermano. Yo siempre he tenido esa opinion de Europa. Me gusta que sean diferentes paises. Pero, no tengo que ir a Mayaguez a comer mofongo. Lo tengo cerquita de donde vivo. ;D ;D
Yo se, mi amigo. ;D
No soy tan "anal" como el zangano habichuelero ese que le lambe el roto a todo el mundo.
I'll be voting out. I dont really pay much attention to the pro/anti arguments because all they are collectively doing is trying to point score off of one another and it becomes laboured and boring.
I'll be voting leave because I think our place at the Euro table is null and void, the Eurocrats will do as they please regardless of what it's member states feelings on a particular matter are (see the Dutch referendum)
I dont think there will be any harm to trade agreements with Europe should we leave and we will be able to negotiate them tariff free. I really dont see BMW or Benz saying goodbye to the millions upon millions they make from the UK market just because we vote out and arent part of the 'free trade agreement'
Do I think there will be a massive affect on employment if we leave? I'm not sure, but my hunch says there will be an inevitable shuffling of the deck, some areas will pick up whilst others tail off, one will essentially cancel out the other. What I do know is this, if we're out, we wont be paying into the pot that gets dipped into to provide loans for Turkey to modernise production lines that once existed here. We essentially paid for British workers to get laid off.
Recession? Thats a big one for the remain campaign isnt it. If we leave, we'll go into financial meltdown. Will we really? For this one to stick you've got to take as gospel the word of 'financial analysts' who know what the fuck is going to happen. The problem I have with these cunts is that they historically they havent been too crash hot on their forecasting and to be honest, they've been predicting a 2016 collapse for fucking ages anyway, so Brexit or not its going to happen as far as these twats are concerned. Not to mention that some of these forecasters are bought and paid for doom merchants, paid for by The EU/us amongst others funnily enough.
There is more but Im kinda running out of steam a bit.
I do think there is value in the would you join now argument. If we weren't in the EU and were thinking of joining, would you?
I actually think we will remain. I think we'll remain for the very reason I think we should leave, and thats because we have lost our backbone.
We're more than happy to 'vote for change' when it's voting Rage Against the Machine in as Xmas number one to piss on Simon Cowells bonfire. But with things that actually matter I think there is a large portion of us that simply dont want to rock the boat and we lose our bottle.
I would not be so rude and arrogant to conduct a conversation in English on a foreign language website in a thread about a referendum between a continent and island that I did not live on, but here I will speak in English. You have no manners and a big mouth. If you must have a private conversation buttering each other up like two lovers, then use the private message facility or the chat function.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustTu tienes una Manera con palabrasQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustMofongo se encuentra in todo los lados aqui. Sabes bien que estoy solamente bromiando, verdad?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQue porqueria que tu estas hablando...Mira, parece que tu has cambiado mucho desde el ano pasado... A lo.mejor empezaste tomar muchas mofongo en Mayaguez. JajajjaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't think that's necessarily true, at least within the space of several generations, maybe more. However, I agree with you in that I'd hate to see Europe become a single nation.
Tranquilo, mi hermano. Yo siempre he tenido esa opinion de Europa. Me gusta que sean diferentes paises. Pero, no tengo que ir a Mayaguez a comer mofongo. Lo tengo cerquita de donde vivo. ;D ;D
Yo se, mi amigo. ;D
No soy tan "anal" como el zangano habichuelero ese que le lambe el roto a todo el mundo.
This is exceptionally accurate. Fantastic post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I was beginning to wonder which side you would be on as I had quite looked forward to reading your take on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I agree with all of it. It saved me the bother of writing anything. 30% of people according to polls are going to make their mind up at the last minute and most of them will be scared into voting for the status quo. There'll be an avalanche of scare stories in the last week to scare them into voting to stay in unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI was beginning to wonder which side you would be on as I had quite looked forward to reading your take on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
The people who want to leave will lose the battle but win the war -- the EU and the eurozone are falling apart anyway. Something will eventually go bang so badly that it'll bring the whole edifice down, probably the Italian economy.
Having said that I'm quietly hoping that we'll keep a stiff upper lip and vote to fuck off. Stuff like this gives me hope:
The Labour supporters backing Brexit in Stoke-on-Trent heartland – video | Opinion | The Guardian
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Inside Labour’s London HQ, I joined young volunteers manning the “Labour In” phones with every fact at the ready. We had sheets of Labour-supporting names to call in Nottinghamshire – and the results were grim. “Out”, “Out” and “Out” in call after call, only a couple for remain. “I’ve been Labour all my life, but I’m for leave,” they said. Why? Always the same – immigrants first; that mythical £350m saving on money sent to Brussels second; “I want my country back” third. And then there is, “I don’t know ANYONE voting in.”
Try arguing with facts and you get nowhere. Warn these Labour people what a Johnson/Gove government would do and they don’t care. Warn about the loss of workers’ rights and they don’t listen – maybe that’s already irrelevant to millions in crap jobs such as at Uber or Sports Direct. “We’re full up. Sorry, there’s no room for more. Can’t get GP appointments, can’t get into our schools, no housing.” If you tell these Labour voters that’s because of Tory austerity cuts, still they blame “immigrants getting everything first”. Warn about a Brexit recession leading to far worse cuts and they just say, “Stop them coming, make room for our own first.”
Brexit supporters have unleashed furies even they can’t control | Polly Toynbee | Opinion | The Guardian
So I'm going to have some good bubbly on ice just in case. :)