Would you rank guys like Pinklon Thomas, Oliver McCall, Ernie Shavers, Frank Bruno, ahead of Haye?
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Would you rank guys like Pinklon Thomas, Oliver McCall, Ernie Shavers, Frank Bruno, ahead of Haye?
You know what, yes I might.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Haye is powerful and quite talented, but who is his biggest win? Valuev? Old Ruiz?
He has the tools to be great but has not dared to do so.
That said, I think he might eek into top 50. Old school small heavies would have a hell of a time beating him such as Dempsey, Johansen, Patterson, and Marciano.
I agree, he may be too damn fast for Marciano and Dempsey.... Patterson was fast.....Johansen was big...... Love to see Haye vs prime Mike Spinks. Who wins that one?Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkYou know what, yes I might.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Haye is powerful and quite talented, but who is his biggest win? Valuev? Old Ruiz?
He has the tools to be great but has not dared to do so.
That said, I think he might eek into top 50. Old school small heavies would have a hell of a time beating him such as Dempsey, Johansen, Patterson, and Marciano.
Agree with Hulk. Had all the tools but not the desire to prove himself - driven by pay days only.
No, not for me thanks, he had 5 fights at heavyweight before the farce with Chisora.
I don't think you can include De Mori or gjerjiorgjiegjeiroraj because they were not even fights
you can't be a top 50 ATG with 6 fights under your belt in that division
Great points. Look at Norton or Witherspoon or Shavers, how many fights they had.
How could Haye be placed in with them?
No. Haye just hasn't beaten anyone at HW. He has just carefully milked a very easy to manipulate British public with some smoke and mirrors. The Briggs fight is another case in point.
He got beaten easily by Wlad and refused to fight Fury, so I don't see any case for his HW career.
Nah, its eye opening when you acknowledge that every heavyweight he has beaten was arguably at the very end excluding Chisora and that only depends on how high you rank a Scott or Kevin Johnson :-X. He rested on his arse like a reality television star instead of doing his job. It's amazing how he's managed to milk it really.
I don't know how my list would begin to look beyond 20 or so guys and anyones might start to look pretty wanting towards 50, but leaning towards no. He's not that durable, doesn't go 12 easily and in his one really big HW fight he showed a willingness to lose. Whose to know how he would have done against virtually anyone really good, by that measure? Plenty of good contenders, even fringe ones, who were tough as nails and could punch, and that might have always been big trouble for Haye as a HW.
Out of curiosity I thought id see how boxrec had this because they have their scoring system.
WARNING! Do not read while drinking a hot drink! You will spit it everywhere when you get to number 14! There are others.....
Ha ha, Priceless rankings! and they only put the best out of the lot at no.32! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Boxing Rec is great for the information, but the rankings should have it renamed Boxing Wreck.
is valuev ranked in the top 50?
I could not name 50 heavyweight champions and I am sure his name would drop in eventually.
Even if he is, that is no big deal.
Better Haye than Seldon.
Off the tip of my tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Johnson
Dempsey
Willard
Louis
Marciano
Walcott
Patterson
Johanssen
Jeffries
Tunney
Carnera
Baer
O Sullivan
Liston
Clay
Frazier
Foreman
Ali
Spinks
Holmes
Norton
Tyson
Douglas
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis
Ruiz
Rahman
McCall
Klitschko
Fury
Peter
Valuev
Wilder
Stiverne
There that's 36 champs compiled in 1:30 seconds
Samual Peter?
Byrd, Seldon, Whitherspoon, Tucker, Berbick, Briggs, Tubbs, Ellis, Spinks (the other one;D), Mercer, Morrison, Bentt, Hide, Povetkin, Liakovich, Chagaev, Ibragimov.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustOff the tip of my tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Johnson
Dempsey
Willard
Louis
Marciano
Walcott
Patterson
Johanssen
Jeffries
Tunney
Carnera
Baer
O Sullivan
Liston
Clay
Frazier
Foreman
Ali
Spinks
Holmes
Norton
Tyson
Douglas
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis
Ruiz
Rahman
McCall
Klitschko
Fury
Peter
Valuev
Wilder
Stiverne
There that's 36 champs compiled in 1:30 seconds
Thats up to 53 someone else take over;D
The second KlitschkoQuote:
Originally Posted by rossByrd, Seldon, Whitherspoon, Tucker, Berbick, Briggs, Tubbs, Ellis, Spinks (the other one;D), Mercer, Morrison, Bentt, Hide, Povetkin, Liakovich, Chagaev, Ibragimov.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustOff the tip of my tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Johnson
Dempsey
Willard
Louis
Marciano
Walcott
Patterson
Johanssen
Jeffries
Tunney
Carnera
Baer
O Sullivan
Liston
Clay
Frazier
Foreman
Ali
Spinks
Holmes
Norton
Tyson
Douglas
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis
Ruiz
Rahman
McCall
Klitschko
Fury
Peter
Valuev
Wilder
Stiverne
There that's 36 champs compiled in 1:30 seconds
Thats up to 53 someone else take over;D
54
Jack Sharkey, Smith, Bruno, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver....:p
Just out of respect to all those true HW's who campaigned at that weight throughout their careers.... and worked their way up the ranks like everybody else... and got no shortcuts to fight the champions, until their own careers merited a shot at the title... I would say HELL NO.
Unless of course there had only been 51 heavyweights in the history of boxing... and then only grudgingly I would say "yes" to the question.
Which by the way I thought was a joke at first, but maybe it wasn't.
I would feel comfortable placing Haye in the top 150-200 heavyweights ever. If we are talking guys who shoot their mouths off and underperform, then show no shame in making ridiculous excuses for losing, I place him solidly in the top 2-3 p4p ever. Guy is a great hype job because looks the part, has talent, and shoots his mouth off better than most, but rarely backs it up against top competition (if ever).
I like that bud. Yeah I'll put 'im at 199 out of 200.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Samuel Peter?
Thats the second time youve posted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Agreed top 200
I thought the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats the second time youve posted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I wrote "Peter" in original post.
It's not exactly hard to get in the top 50. I mean I reckon I must get in the top 200Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Ali. Frazier.Norton. Dempsey. Tunney. Marciano. Liston. Holyfield. Bowe. Lewis. Holmes. Ezzard Charles. Paterson. Louis. Foreman. W.Klitschko. V.Klitschko. Jack Johnson. Tyson
These heavies are absolute musts. But that's still leaves 31 spaces ? So it's gonna be padded out with the likes of David Haye. You could throw Ingmar Johannsen and Max Schemiling, but even that leaves 28 to fill. So Haye easily get's in.
Great point..... schmeling
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI thought the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats the second time youve posted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I wrote "Peter" in original post.
no one answered the first time
by peter do you mean Samuel peter?
Yes the Nigerian Nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI thought the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats the second time youve posted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I wrote "Peter" in original post.
no one answered the first time
by peter do you mean Samuel peter?
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYes the Nigerian Nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI thought the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats the second time youve posted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I wrote "Peter" in original post.
no one answered the first time
by peter do you mean Samuel peter?
NOOOoooooooooo, don't be daft
if there hasn't been 50 better HWs than him in history then there hasn't been many decent heavies
How many other world heavyweight champions have had the surname Peter?
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Originally Posted by ross
is it a joke?
I don't know how many other world heavyweight champions have ha pd the surname Peter?
I made a joke up yesterday
why did the nymphomaniac go to the pet shop?
Don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
is it a joke?
I don't know how many other world heavyweight champions have ha pd the surname Peter?
I made a joke up yesterday
why did the nymphomaniac go to the pet shop?
for a cockatoo
You never made that up? If you did, fair play, very funny, but your delivery needs a bit of work.😉Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou never made that up? If you did, fair play, very funny, but your delivery needs a bit of work.😉Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
To get a Cock Or Two
that better?
and I did make it up
nah mate, the cockatoo bit was fine. like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou never made that up? If you did, fair play, very funny, but your delivery needs a bit of work.😉Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
To get a Cock Or Two
that better?
and I did make it up
Why did the Nymphomaniac go to the pet shop?
To see if she could find a Cockatoo! badoom tish! ;D
why did the nymphomaniac go to the pet shop?