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Nobody else jumps out at me, and even though I scored Santa Cruz over him slightly the result stands so that's two major pick em fights he's won. If Crawford were to fight Pacquiao in November and win impressively he'd probably edge it, and maybe if there's a big winner between Kovalev and Ward also, or if Brook somehow upset GGG, they'd have strong cases. Mind you Frampton could have a big fight again also before the years over.
Unifying world titles in a division against a 31-0 fighter, then moving up in weight and winning a title against a 32-0 highly-regarded boxer is an impressive achievement.
He can't be called "Fighter of the Year" because he has ducked this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
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Actually it's Barry McGuigan who is the real coward. He just wants to protect his asset. But if Frampton really put his foot down. The Rigo fight would be more likely to happen.
Frampton says: prestige "is an important thing" Well he's just had a money fight against Santa Cruz. Why not try to beat Rigondeaux for your legacy now?
Rigondeaux has had all these fake champs running from 122. If Frampton really considers himself a great, he should fight Rigo, otherwise Frampton will pass in boxing history as another coward who ran scared from the king.
Rigo would smash Frampton. Rigo boxes better, defends better, has better speed, and hits harder. The problem is nobody within 2 weight classes has the skill to make a fight with Rigo exciting. Don't blame the master. Rigo would finish Frampton as Rigo did to Donaire.
But it's only one fight.
- What about the glory it would bring Frampton for having fighting the best 122 in the world ?
- What about the glory of fighting a two time Olympic gold medalists ?
- What about daring to defeat a legend ?
Roc Nation doesn't give a shit about Rigo. Jay Z seems happy for him to go fight on small shows in the UK. They are not exactly breaking their backs to promote him. Jay Z you're a multi multi millionaire with an equal rich wife just throw 3-4 million in that Irish Leprechauns face and trust me he'll fight Rigo.
Where was Panticruz last night ? He got exposed as an Al Haymon fabrication.
I like Carl Frampton. But I'll always remember him for ducking Rigo, LSC too will be remembered for the same thing. They gave their titles up and left the division just not to fight him.
Have to admit that the first thing I thought when I came into this thread was that he ducked Rigo, regardless of that though I think at the moment he is in with a shout for fighter of the year
At the moment, yes. By the end of the year, probably not.
If the year wrapped at the halfway point he makes the mix. Still have multiple p4p types in fights before end..Kovalev v Ward, Manny v Crawford someguy, Chocolatito and Cuadras. Frampton should have fought Rigo no doubt. But not cleaning division left Rigo holding the tab and Carl has the options. We know Rigo is a better boxer but he is being forced obscure mandatories while Framptons next play is his biggest so far. Frampton v Cuellar I'd watch in a second. Frampton v Santa Cruz II I'd rent a theater. Honestly if Golovkin destroys Brook it just means at least the accountants are still awake.
Well you could argue that it's a good thing he moved up "ducking" Rigo because we got a great fight. And fights with Russel Jr and Selby would be more appealing too.
Do you want to see great fights or apparent mismatches? (if you believe Rigo will slaughter all these guys, what's the point?)
Fighter of the year? He's unified against an unbeaten fighter in a match regarded 50-50 then stepped up in weight, traveled across the pond and as underdog beat another unbeaten champion. Some going.
Frampton only got $500,000 whereas LSC got $1 million form their fight. If Rigo has got Jay Z he could easily afford the fight with Frampton.
What Carl has achieved was equally as hard as beating Rigo.
Now come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
He has moved up weight, taken on an undefeated US fighter in his homeland for a world title being the big under dog is just as good, if not better than beating Rigo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
Im starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
Yeah so far. Really glad for him.
Bit off topic but I think Quig wins a rematch with Frampton and a shift in tactics. Doubtful that a rematch will happen for that very reason. Plus the weight changes but nether the less a fight i would like to see again.
Crackin fight on Saturday night hats off to to the clones clone.
Don't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
That is fine rationalization. And like most rationalization it is complete bullshit. It's okay to be a ducker if you get belts, the notion is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe has moved up weight, taken on an undefeated US fighter in his homeland for a world title being the big under dog is just as good, if not better than beating Rigo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
Not just belts, what about the other things I mentioned which you conveniently ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThat is fine rationalization. And like most rationalization it is complete bullshit. It's okay to be a ducker if you get belts, the notion is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe has moved up weight, taken on an undefeated US fighter in his homeland for a world title being the big under dog is just as good, if not better than beating Rigo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
yep 100% but its nothing new to boxing. Hagler, like GGG, couldnt get big fights for years. Mayweather and Manny made careers out of picking and choosing opponents and they are the best of our generation. Money talks, if Carl can make as much or more fighting guys that arent as good as Rigo. He made a lot of money v Quigg but apart from that he really hasnt made much and a loss to Rigo now would probably ruin his earning potential. The only way to get the best fighting the best on a regular basis in my mind is a unified division in boxing similar to ther UFC. I was hoping PBC would do that but its not looking likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
As for backing against Frampton in those fights it would depend on prices. Think Selby is a close fight. Would probably back the outsider in that fight, whoever it is. It deends what price Rigo is, Id probably back him at anything over 1/2 while Id prob back Frampton at anything over 3/1.
Now you've got me going on a completely different tangent and another bugbear of mine. Why didn't he make a lot of money before Quigg? He won World titles in front of Packed Arenas in his hometown, they even had to build a fuckin stadium for him! Answer, Because he has been completely shafted by Barry McGuigan! McGuigan has always taken the best options for himself rather than Frampton's career. not dissimilar to the Eubank Sr./Jr. situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoeyep 100% but its nothing new to boxing. Hagler, like GGG, couldnt get big fights for years. Mayweather and Manny made careers out of picking and choosing opponents and they are the best of our generation. Money talks, if Carl can make as much or more fighting guys that arent as good as Rigo. He made a lot of money v Quigg but apart from that he really hasnt made much and a loss to Rigo now would probably ruin his earning potential. The only way to get the best fighting the best on a regular basis in my mind is a unified division in boxing similar to ther UFC. I was hoping PBC would do that but its not looking likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
As for backing against Frampton in those fights it would depend on prices. Think Selby is a close fight. Would probably back the outsider in that fight, whoever it is. It deends what price Rigo is, Id probably back him at anything over 1/2 while Id prob back Frampton at anything over 3/1.
How the fuck does anyone know what money Frampton has made? Unless you're all millionaires I wouldn't mind being a pound note behind him.
His world title win was v Kiko which was a voluntary defense. So majority of purse went to Kiko.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow you've got me going on a completely different tangent and another bugbear of mine. Why didn't he make a lot of money before Quigg? He won World titles in front of Packed Arenas in his hometown, they even had to build a fuckin stadium for him! Answer, Because he has been completely shafted by Barry McGuigan! McGuigan has always taken the best options for himself rather than Frampton's career. not dissimilar to the Eubank Sr./Jr. situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoeyep 100% but its nothing new to boxing. Hagler, like GGG, couldnt get big fights for years. Mayweather and Manny made careers out of picking and choosing opponents and they are the best of our generation. Money talks, if Carl can make as much or more fighting guys that arent as good as Rigo. He made a lot of money v Quigg but apart from that he really hasnt made much and a loss to Rigo now would probably ruin his earning potential. The only way to get the best fighting the best on a regular basis in my mind is a unified division in boxing similar to ther UFC. I was hoping PBC would do that but its not looking likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
As for backing against Frampton in those fights it would depend on prices. Think Selby is a close fight. Would probably back the outsider in that fight, whoever it is. It deends what price Rigo is, Id probably back him at anything over 1/2 while Id prob back Frampton at anything over 3/1.
I think his net worth is 5.5 million. Not too shabby but not a ridiculous amount.
I beg to differ. If it's a voluntary, that doesn't mean Kiko gets the Lion's Share. It just means that Frampton could earn more than he would have for his Mandatory. e.g. Brook took a voluntary against Frankie Gavin before Jo Jo Dan, who was his Mandatory, does that mean that Gavin took the Lion's Share?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeHis world title win was v Kiko which was a voluntary defense. So majority of purse went to Kiko.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow you've got me going on a completely different tangent and another bugbear of mine. Why didn't he make a lot of money before Quigg? He won World titles in front of Packed Arenas in his hometown, they even had to build a fuckin stadium for him! Answer, Because he has been completely shafted by Barry McGuigan! McGuigan has always taken the best options for himself rather than Frampton's career. not dissimilar to the Eubank Sr./Jr. situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoeyep 100% but its nothing new to boxing. Hagler, like GGG, couldnt get big fights for years. Mayweather and Manny made careers out of picking and choosing opponents and they are the best of our generation. Money talks, if Carl can make as much or more fighting guys that arent as good as Rigo. He made a lot of money v Quigg but apart from that he really hasnt made much and a loss to Rigo now would probably ruin his earning potential. The only way to get the best fighting the best on a regular basis in my mind is a unified division in boxing similar to ther UFC. I was hoping PBC would do that but its not looking likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon't get me wrong, I reckon you could be right. I've backed against Frampton in his last 2 fights and he's proved me wrong. If he were to fight Selby or Rigo , I would probably back against him again, but he keeps proving me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm starting to think Frampton could beat Rigo at 126. Rigo is getting old. Hes been inactive and he is chinny. Still have Rigo as a strong fav but in a year or 2 it could be a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNow come on, it was a great achievement and a great win, and I don't want to take anything away from him. But if beating Rigo was "equally hard", why didn't he just go ahead and do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
without wanting to sound like I'm doubting you, I also believe he earned a helluva lot more than $500k.
Frampton's not the only guy out there avoiding a fighter, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Just the way it is (as Bruce Hornsby and the range once said.) ;)
As for Fighter of the Year Id say at the moment he is top of the list but their is plenty of guys who could pass him out, mainly Crawford or the Kov Ward winner.
my point is , and it doesn't only apply to Frampton, that the governing bodies should grow some balls and insist on the best fighting the best. I could think of loads of guys that are guilty, Eubank jr, Quigg, Adonis, Canelo, Every top MW, all the WW's, Khan, just to name a few. It's ridiculous.
As for backing against Frampton in those fights it would depend on prices. Think Selby is a close fight. Would probably back the outsider in that fight, whoever it is. It deends what price Rigo is, Id probably back him at anything over 1/2 while Id prob back Frampton at anything over 3/1.
I think his net worth is 5.5 million. Not too shabby but not a ridiculous amount.
another example is where Andy Lee fought Pete Quillin in the States as a voluntary instead of his Mandatory, because he was paid much better money to do so. even to the extent of giving Saunders "step aside" money.
there was decent money in those fights in Ireland, but mostly for McGuigan because he was promoting.
It is widely known that Frampton moved away from Matchroom because Hearn wouldn't allow McGuigan to co-promote. But Frampton would've definitely earned more for that Kiko fight (and any other fight for that matter.) if he was still with Matchroom. Only Barry wouldn't. :mad:
Kiko was the champion. The champ is entitled to the bigger share. They had to pay over the odds to get Kiko back to belfast as a voluntary. I think I saw Framoton say in the build up to that fight that it was a big risk for him because he was getting peanuts for the fight and if he lost it would be a major stunt in his career. Maybe he was just saying that. I dont know. The examples you gave were all champs at the time so entitled to a bigger split then Frampton would have been v Kiko.
Sorry mate, you're completely right, I was thinking of the rematch and getting mixed up. Doh! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
But my point was that McGuigan was making good dough out of it.
Why do you always pick on Barry? What about Hearn? He makes money too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSorry mate, you're completely right, I was thinking of the rematch and getting mixed up. Doh! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
But my point was that McGuigan was making good dough out of it.
Barry has Carl's best interest at heart, now quit picking on the legend.
The difference is a.) Hearn knows what he's doing. And b.) Hearn doesn't have just one cash cow that he milks the whole family on! Him as Manager, one son as promoter, another son as trainer (who I think is worth his money btw.) renting the Gym in Mcguigan's basement, he probably charges Frampton for meals so his missus has a little earner out of it as well.
Frampton goes out there and gets his face punched in, and the Mcguigan's probably take more of the cake!
No way. Carl is like a second son to Barry and he knows how it feels to be shafted as he was by his manager so he would never do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I hope your being dramatic :D I definitely agree that if Frampton stayed with Hearn hed have made a lot more money by now. Similar to Eubank Jr and possibly George Groves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
In saying that though Hearn is the only promoter in the UK and Ireland who can really offer the big bucks and have to admire Frampton for sticking with his manager rather than following the cash.
Although a bit hypocritical of me when hes chasing the cash now rather than fighting Rigo :D
It'll end in tears. "Thank you Mr. Eastwood!" Groundhog Day.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI hope your being dramatic :D I definitely agree that if Frampton stayed with Hearn hed have made a lot more money by now. Similar to Eubank Jr and possibly George Groves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
In saying that though Hearn is the only promoter in the UK and Ireland who can really offer the big bucks and have to admire Frampton for sticking with his manager rather than following the cash.
Although a bit hypocritical of me when hes chasing the cash now rather than fighting Rigo :D
I think you mean a 3rd son? The other two are managing and promoting him and taking a piece of the pie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo way. Carl is like a second son to Barry and he knows how it feels to be shafted as he was by his manager so he would never do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I must say after seeing Barry blubbering after the fight, I did feel a tiny bit guilty, but I still believe he puts his own interest first.
What a load of complete and utter bollocks! Boxing is a mans game, and if grown men cant work out what manager/promoter/trainer to go with, to make the most monetary gain, then that is their lesson to learn, the hard way. To make the Hearn clan out as some kind of pseudo social workers helping out fighters, and everybody else as exploiters is fucking ridiculous, grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think you mean a 3rd son? The other two are managing and promoting him and taking a piece of the pie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo way. Carl is like a second son to Barry and he knows how it feels to be shafted as he was by his manager so he would never do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I must say after seeing Barry blubbering after the fight, I did feel a tiny bit guilty, but I still believe he puts his own interest first.
This is a weird little exchange. Also... isn't complete AND utter bollocks a bit redundant? I've wondered this before, it always sounds weird. It shouldn't be anyones concern what a fighters financial situation is aside from how it may affect the fights that get made. Frampton has had a great year, landing and winning two mega fights, whether he's been paid what he's brought in relative to others isn't exactly worth moaning about if he's happy, surely?
As an aside, I've been listening to some Hearn interviews lately and he's a sharp and reasonably genuine dude, at least at face value. I feel like if I were a fighter he'd be a lot easier to work something out with than most promoters.
Easy Tiger, who made Hearn out to be some Pseudo Social Worker? I can assure you I've called Hearn a cunt on many occasions, Infact I think I even titled a Thread once with those very same words.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomWhat a load of complete and utter bollocks! Boxing is a mans game, and if grown men cant work out what manager/promoter/trainer to go with, to make the most monetary gain, then that is their lesson to learn, the hard way. To make the Hearn clan out as some kind of pseudo social workers helping out fighters, and everybody else as exploiters is fucking ridiculous, grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think you mean a 3rd son? The other two are managing and promoting him and taking a piece of the pie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo way. Carl is like a second son to Barry and he knows how it feels to be shafted as he was by his manager so he would never do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I must say after seeing Barry blubbering after the fight, I did feel a tiny bit guilty, but I still believe he puts his own interest first.
Every Successful Promoter ever would've been seen in that light at some point of their careers, it's part of the job spec.
All I Said if you read above was that he knows what he's doing. And it is an undisputable FACT that he gets his guys more money than anybody else does, certainly in Britain. A perfect example of this is that Frampton's best ever payday was on a Matchroom bill.
it is pure business logic and mathematics that he doesn't take as much off each fighter because he has more of them to take it off. With McGuigan and Eubank Sr. for example , they're taking more off their one cash cow.
It's easy to say that "they're Man enough to sort out who promotes and manages them", but sometimes these guys are boxers, not Businessmen and they are tied either contractually or emotionally even.
hope that clears things up and you realize who is "Fuckin Ridiculous" and who is talking "Complete and utter bollocks"! hope you have a nice day. ;)
Feeling a bit defensive towards the McGuigans, my daughters boss is Barrys brother, not involved in boxing. As for mathematics one and one will always equal two, whatever the bullshit, the sooner they have open books accounting so everybody knows what incomes/costs and margins are, the better. Bullshit and numbers don't mix, as you saw from the Jeunior/GGG debacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraEasy Tiger, who made Hearn out to be some Pseudo Social Worker? I can assure you I've called Hearn a cunt on many occasions, Infact I think I even titled a Thread once with those very same words.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomWhat a load of complete and utter bollocks! Boxing is a mans game, and if grown men cant work out what manager/promoter/trainer to go with, to make the most monetary gain, then that is their lesson to learn, the hard way. To make the Hearn clan out as some kind of pseudo social workers helping out fighters, and everybody else as exploiters is fucking ridiculous, grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think you mean a 3rd son? The other two are managing and promoting him and taking a piece of the pie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo way. Carl is like a second son to Barry and he knows how it feels to be shafted as he was by his manager so he would never do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I must say after seeing Barry blubbering after the fight, I did feel a tiny bit guilty, but I still believe he puts his own interest first.
Every Successful Promoter ever would've been seen in that light at some point of their careers, it's part of the job spec.
All I Said if you read above was that he knows what he's doing. And it is an undisputable FACT that he gets his guys more money than anybody else does, certainly in Britain. A perfect example of this is that Frampton's best ever payday was on a Matchroom bill.
it is pure business logic and mathematics that he doesn't take as much off each fighter because he has more of them to take it off. With McGuigan and Eubank Sr. for example , they're taking more off their one cash cow.
It's easy to say that "they're Man enough to sort out who promotes and manages them", but sometimes these guys are boxers, not Businessmen and they are tied either contractually or emotionally even.
hope that clears things up and you realize who is "Fuckin Ridiculous" and who is talking "Complete and utter bollocks"! hope you have a nice day. ;)
Fair play, I understand you defending them if you have a connection, that's fair enough mate. Your open book accounting idea is spot on , if only that could work . I fear the Sharks would nip it in the bud though.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomFeeling a bit defensive towards the McGuigans, my daughters boss is Barrys brother, not involved in boxing. As for mathematics one and one will always equal two, whatever the bullshit, the sooner they have open books accounting so everybody knows what incomes/costs and margins are, the better. Bullshit and numbers don't mix, as you saw from the Jeunior/GGG debacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraEasy Tiger, who made Hearn out to be some Pseudo Social Worker? I can assure you I've called Hearn a cunt on many occasions, Infact I think I even titled a Thread once with those very same words.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomWhat a load of complete and utter bollocks! Boxing is a mans game, and if grown men cant work out what manager/promoter/trainer to go with, to make the most monetary gain, then that is their lesson to learn, the hard way. To make the Hearn clan out as some kind of pseudo social workers helping out fighters, and everybody else as exploiters is fucking ridiculous, grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think you mean a 3rd son? The other two are managing and promoting him and taking a piece of the pie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo way. Carl is like a second son to Barry and he knows how it feels to be shafted as he was by his manager so he would never do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I must say after seeing Barry blubbering after the fight, I did feel a tiny bit guilty, but I still believe he puts his own interest first.
Every Successful Promoter ever would've been seen in that light at some point of their careers, it's part of the job spec.
All I Said if you read above was that he knows what he's doing. And it is an undisputable FACT that he gets his guys more money than anybody else does, certainly in Britain. A perfect example of this is that Frampton's best ever payday was on a Matchroom bill.
it is pure business logic and mathematics that he doesn't take as much off each fighter because he has more of them to take it off. With McGuigan and Eubank Sr. for example , they're taking more off their one cash cow.
It's easy to say that "they're Man enough to sort out who promotes and manages them", but sometimes these guys are boxers, not Businessmen and they are tied either contractually or emotionally even.
hope that clears things up and you realize who is "Fuckin Ridiculous" and who is talking "Complete and utter bollocks"! hope you have a nice day. ;)