What do you think happened to Wlad in the Fury fight? Why did he look so bad? Is he just old?
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What do you think happened to Wlad in the Fury fight? Why did he look so bad? Is he just old?
He didn't have a reach advantage for a change, consequently he had to be ultra negative due to his phobia of getting tagged.
I don't think that he was psyched up for it, he just was coasting until the last round he had the tiniest bit of fire.
He got bored and had not been pushed in a fight for years. Spots in Jennings but had all advantages and bit with Povetkin where he turned into half fire blanket-half Sambo wrestler. Say what you want about Fury but he has the whole looney mad man sloucher bit down and think he may of psyched Wlad out just a bit. He also brought confidence and using his size and skill as opponent that few have with Wlad.
Subtract Manny Steward...
Old my ass.
He finally faced someone who posed a threat and wasn't scared of him..... so he lost his nerve.
I don't use the word "exposed" much, but I'll use it here.
Age. Too many tough training camps.
Also Fury's huge reach and defensive gameplan.
Fury;)Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
The same thing would happen to Wilder and Joshua.
Tito I think you could be right bigger than Wlad, and a lunatic to boot LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
We will find out more in the rematch what went wrong for Wlad the first time. Was it age, lack of motivation, style of Fury...
No excuses this time, wlad knows what he will be facing and he has to take back the titles so must go for it.
Nobodys sure the fight will actually take place, the boxing establishment want Fury out of there PDQ and I'm not sure Vladimir has the nuts to carry on, having milked it for the last ten years and now being knackered. Fury will get seriously stuffed financially and left with nothing, sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Personally i would prefer Wlad to retire so Furry can move on to Wilder and AJ. There is plenty of money to be made yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomNobodys sure the fight will actually take place, the boxing establishment want Fury out of there PDQ and I'm not sure Vladimir has the nuts to carry on, having milked it for the last ten years and now being knackered. Fury will get seriously stuffed financially and left with nothing, sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think age and someone who was finally big enough. Wlad has to knock Fury out and to do that he will have to eat a few and that hasn't gone so well in the past. Boxers don't usually get any better when they are grey in the temple region. Still, I kind of hope he manages it.
The boxing establishment? Questioning Vlads nuts? You realize the actual facts are Fury failed a test and pulled out with an injury right? Wlad was ready. Honestly it gets harder and harder to read boxing talk because you all push bullshit angles constantly. Take your f'n opinions out of it and speak on the facts FFS!Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomNobodys sure the fight will actually take place, the boxing establishment want Fury out of there PDQ and I'm not sure Vladimir has the nuts to carry on, having milked it for the last ten years and now being knackered. Fury will get seriously stuffed financially and left with nothing, sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
On the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
The other thing to note, as much as Team Klitschko tried, they couldn't get one over on the Fury's before the fight.
Team Fury tied Team Klit up in knots & would not accede to their demands or let them take the pee, the way they had done for years against other opponents.
I was at the Haye fight and saw the disgraceful 'gamesmanship'. The Furys obviously were there and learned from that, good luck to them. Haye let himself down by a) not telling the Klits to poke the fight and walk out, b) Not going for him big time, shit or bust c) Coming out with Toegate. To leave Haye standing in the rain for 20 minutes whilst there was a Klit life story being shown on video was disgraceful, the sanctioning bodies should have stepped in and didn't. They are the boxing ESTABLISHMENT! Other posters take note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax ErrorOn the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
The other thing to note, as much as Team Klitschko tried, they couldn't get one over on the Fury's before the fight.
Team Fury tied Team Klit up in knots & would not accede to their demands or let them take the pee, the way they had done for years against other opponents.
What happened to Wlad happened a long time ago. For all his physical gifts and boxing prowess (which is exceptional when he's not hugging), the man really dislikes getting hit on the chin. His losses are the type to make anyone gunshy, regardless of his height and build. He didn't barely lose on the scorecards; he got knocked out badly twice, and had some strange vapor-lock malfunction in with Lamon in the first fight. Since the Sanders and Brewster debacles, he's fought... let's say ''overly cautiously'' against some real powder-puffs. Here comes the most annoying twat on earth, Tyson Fury. But he's tall and gangly and brave or stupid. Tyson has shit for technique and dogshit power for a guy his size, but he can reach Wlad's chin and Wlad is taking no chances. That's all that happened. And it wasn't overnight.
The question is does Wlad have the sack to let his hands go in the rematch and risk that glass chin against a chump like Fury, or does he play it safe yet again and hope the jab and occasional right carries the night?
Watch the Brewster fight again, Wlad simply hit the guy with everything he had....didn't pace himself at all, he had Brewster hurt and went for the KO and gassed....Wlad couldn't even hold his arms up, he saw the finish line in the fight when Brewster was hurt and when Brewster didn't wilt that finish line was MILES away.....he just didn't pace himself, and God damn he took some hellacious punches that fight as did Lamon. But in the rematch it was a piece of cake.
vs Sanders there was no time to get in a rhythm during the fight, Sanders was supposed to be an easy fight, he looked past the guy because he thought he had deserved his shot vs Lewis right then....that impatience caught up with him right then. Sanders R.I.P, had an awkward delivery of his punches, very quick though and very powerful....a guy who could have been a lot more than what he was in the boxing world.
vs Fury, I don't think many folks are afraid of Tyson Fury's power rightly or wrongly....he's a big lad but he's not a "puncher". I think Fury was awkward for him and Wlad just wasn't psyched for the fight at all...he figured Fury would come in and be flat like Haye was and that he'd be able to dictate the pace of the fight like always....I believe the rematch will be very different and if it isn't then it is time for Wlad to hang up the gloves.
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
He was faced with an opponent he couldn't just clench all night long.
He never wanted to face Fury, he wouldnt even entertain him as a sparring partner!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Tyson had to get mandatory for two belts to firce the fight. Tyson won because he did exactly as I described before the fight and I think Smashup even commented how spot on I described it. I said Tysons movement, fluidity and combination punching would have Wlad hitting thin air. I said it would be reminicent of Clay v Liston and it was. Tyson is much more skilled than anyone wants to give him credit for and he will do the same to Wilder and Joshua and Klitschko would also beat those two so dont feel too down. Tyson will go on to be very highly regarded as Wlad did.
Klitschkos team was behind the bullshit Nandrolone tests being brought up. They are trying to get out of the rematch so they can get straight to the softer touches holding the other belts.;)
I dont believe for a second that Tyson has tried changing the terms! The fight was all set!
First Boente tries to get UKAD to ban Tyson and now this bullshit!
Wlad doesnt want to lose again, he wants Joshua!
https://twitter.com/klitschko/status/765813044031135744
Tyson versus Vlad makes no money, Tyson versus anyone makes no money. Not fair but true. He thinks he's a master at publicity hype, but he's just a prat. Hearn has outmanoeuvred the Fury camp on the publicity side, you may see Vlad vs Joshua, or even Haye, but you wont see Fury fight Vlad, the establishment will see to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
It was as simple as thisQuote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
He was faced with an opponent he couldn't just clench all night long.
And who was that down to?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44It was as simple as thisQuote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
He was faced with an opponent he couldn't just clench all night long.
Wasnt just Tysons size or Wach would also have beaten Wlad;D
Aside from everything else that was mentioned....
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Fight was set when that gypsy douche twisted his ankleQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
I think Manny Steward would've given him the plan for a guy he couldn't do his usual clinching to.Quote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
He was faced with an opponent he couldn't just clench all night long.
Not saying Wlad would've executed to perfection. But I think it was and still is a very winnable fight for him.
I do not think it would make a difference. The plan would be to get inside, throw volume punches and be aggressive. All the things that do not come natural to Wlad since his losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeI think Manny Steward would've given him the plan for a guy he couldn't do his usual clinching to.Quote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
He was faced with an opponent he couldn't just clench all night long.
Not saying Wlad would've executed to perfection. But I think it was and still is a very winnable fight for him.
Manny would have advised Wlad to avoid the fight like he did with Chisora;)
Did Wlad pass away from old age ? or is that just a rumour ?
Had a good run, made a few quid, less easy for future promoters pimps, no need to do trash talk with Irish Pikeys etc., you work it outQuote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
To the people saying Vlad has to Knock Fury out to win> err Bollox. He just has to win like in any other heavyweight rematch. If he out boxes Fury he wins. Manchester aint Munich.
I think Wlad has to win by KO, but simply because of the styles and what I saw in the first fight. Fury will be busier than Wlad who has always had to pace himself very, very carefully because of stamina issues. Fury will win rounds just by being more active. The Fury size and awkwardness just seems all wrong for Wlad. He has to let his hands go and try and score a stoppage, but it will leave him open and potentially hurt himself or at least winded.
I struggle to see Wlad outboxing Fury on a consistent basis.
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Originally Posted by rossAnd who was that down to?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44It was as simple as thisQuote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
He was faced with an opponent he couldn't just clench all night long.
Wasnt just Tysons size or Wach would also have beaten Wlad;D
yeah it was down to fury, he did very well
my point is tho, its a sad state of affairs that the way to beat the long reigning champion is to stop him holding
coz really that's what fury did, avoid the clinch, its not like he landed lots of punches
again tho im not knocking fury, he did absolutely the right thing, the ref and the judges wouldn't have stopped wlad holding or punished him for it so fury had no choice, it was a great game plan
He may not have landed alot but who does against Wlad? He landed more than anyone else including Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAnd who was that down to?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44It was as simple as thisQuote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
He was faced with an opponent he couldn't just clench all night long.
Wasnt just Tysons size or Wach would also have beaten Wlad;D
yeah it was down to fury, he did very well
my point is tho, its a sad state of affairs that the way to beat the long reigning champion is to stop him holding
coz really that's what fury did, avoid the clinch, its not like he landed lots of punches
again tho im not knocking fury, he did absolutely the right thing, the ref and the judges wouldn't have stopped wlad holding or punished him for it so fury had no choice, it was a great game plan
Wlad is just very good, Fury is better.
wlad is the worst "significant" champion at any weight in history
Why? Because his style isnt attractive?
Count how many undefeated fiters he beat, how many fighters he stopped, not many heard the final bell.
no because his style was based on holding
take away the holding he would have lost his title many times
holding is against the rules, he was allowed to hold because of the money he generated
that doesn't take any thing away from fury, in fact it adds to his achievement, fury was able to beat a long standing champion who had been allowed to cheat ridiculously for many years
It might just be me but Ross sounds like he is still arguing with people when they are actually agreeing with him.
no mate, what he's TRYING to do is big up Wlad, because that somehow makes Tyson even more amazing in his eyes! ;D:master::bananasex::cheerleader:Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman