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Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
We've all seen foreign-born boxers be unfairly treated. It happens all over the world: UK, Germany, USA, etc. Ideally, referees and judges should be fair and impartial.
Nationalistic or biased referees can make a difference in fights, like we saw in Soto-Lorenzo (Joe Cortez), Mansour-Cunningham (Smoger is a friend of Cunningham), Lomachenko-Salido (Lawrence Cole), Martinez-Cintron (Frank Santore Jr), Hatton-Mayweather (Cortez again), and Kessler-Ward (Jack Reiss).
And we all know nationalistic boxing judges can ruin a boxer's efforts. Remember Kotelnik-Alexander, Pacquiao-Bradley I, Brewster-Meehan, and Sturm-De La Hoya?
Commentators who are rooting for one fighter over another can make a difference in public opinion. If the HBO commentators are rooting for one fighter over another, they can sway the viewers. We know Max Kellerman and the other American commentators will be rooting for Andre Ward, as will John Rawling (who doesn't like Russians) on the international feed if allegedly is covering it. Dan Rafael and other American boxing journalists may become nationalistic and score all the rounds for Ward, whether he wins them or not.
Do you believe Sergey Kovalev will get a fair shake when he fights Andre Ward?
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Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Well the fight is scheduled for Las Vegas so that's good news as it's waaaaaaaaaay far away from Ward's backyard of Oakland/San Jose (like 9hrs by car so it's not New York or Atlantic City, but it's not Ward's backyard).
Refs and judges are hit and miss, I think it would behoove the NSAC for them to provide the fairest and most impartial ref and judges that they can find as well as the most experienced.
Aside from that, Andre Ward is a cagey fighter, I like Kovalev a lot in this fight, but he's got to land clean on Ward to do him in.
So, will the officials be fair? Depends on who they are, it really does, but I would expect everything to be on the up and up because boxing can't handle more scandals or it'll give up major ground to UFC yet again.
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I don't think there will be any favoritism, but I can't guarantee competent judges.
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Yes Kov will get a fair ride from American officials. Kov is practically a US fighter and does not need any help to beat Ward. Kov is too good and powerful .
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he wont get any favours
America are looking for a new superstar
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Kov got a fair shake against Bernard Hopkins and I'll think he'll get the same against Ward.
Just as much chance of a dodgy decision in the UK as in the States.
I don't think it's so much corruption, more bad judging .
I think what is more relevant is the refereeing. Ward is a highly skilled fighter, but different refs let him get away with a bit more holding and Head contact, and there may be an issue there.
Anyway, less of the negativity, I'm expecting a really interesting fight. Very technical.
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Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
ive been away for a couple of weeks
is it definitely happening now?
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erics44
ive been away for a couple of weeks
is it definitely happening now?
now that's another question altogether. apparently it's a done deal, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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ive been away for a couple of weeks
is it definitely happening now?
where have you been?
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ive been away for a couple of weeks
is it definitely happening now?
where have you been?
Switzerland and then Bristol, and interestingly the hotel in Zurich which we stayed was called the Hotel Bristol
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Master
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erics44
ive been away for a couple of weeks
is it definitely happening now?
where have you been?
Switzerland and then Bristol, and interestingly the hotel in Zurich which we stayed was called the Hotel Bristol
and was the Hotel in Bristol called the Swiss Hotel?
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
ive been away for a couple of weeks
is it definitely happening now?
where have you been?
Switzerland and then Bristol, and interestingly the hotel in Zurich which we stayed was called the Hotel Bristol
and was the Hotel in Bristol called the Swiss Hotel?
Travelodge :)
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
ive been away for a couple of weeks
is it definitely happening now?
where have you been?
Switzerland and then Bristol, and interestingly the hotel in Zurich which we stayed was called the Hotel Bristol
and was the Hotel in Bristol called the Swiss Hotel?
Travelodge :)
For a lazy worker you certainly go on a lot of holidays
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Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
the more you do with your mind the less you need to do with your legs :)
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Will Freedom be fair to Ward when he fights Kovalev?
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I just like scrolling down and seeing your previous four 'will they be fair' threads ;D
If it's Jack Reiss Kovalev will lose two points before the bell rings. American, Martian or a judge in Botswana..these days you go in assuming a second opponent.
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Re: Will the American officials be fair to Kovalev when he fights Ward?
Ward has home country advantage. Las Vegas is not a long drive from the Bay area.
It's like Kovalev fighting in Yakaterinberg - same distance. Ward has home country advantage as always.
I just hope there's an honest referee.
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No such thing as home country advantage in the US. Home state, yes. Not home country.
I always use the example of mayweather and pac. Most people in the US were going for pac to win even though mayweather was American. If mayweather were from England, no way anyone from England would be going against him.
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Freedom
No such thing as home country advantage in the US. Home state, yes. Not home country.
I always use the example of mayweather and pac. Most people in the US were going for pac to win even though mayweather was American. If mayweather were from England, no way anyone from England would be going against him.
most people wanted Mayweather to lose in all his fights but he wasn't exactly on the wrong end of any harsh judging
he was American, and really Americas only major boxing star, fighting in American
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One judge gave Canelo a draw against Mayweather. That's a bit harsh isn't it? Especially if one of the other judges saw it that way.
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One judge gave Canelo a draw against Mayweather.
Don't remind me. Worst piece of judging in the history of the universe.
Although it was never proven one way or the other, word is that she:
1. Was blind and deaf.
2. Was paid off handsomely by GBP.
OR
3. Was getting done by Canelo, Oscar, or both.
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Primo Carnera
One judge gave Canelo a draw against Mayweather. That's a bit harsh isn't it? Especially if one of the other judges saw it that way.
yeah very true
you know what tho, there were rounds in that fight where Mayweather didn't throw a punch
it was about the third when canelo was pushing the first 2 and a half minutes, only landed about 3 himself and then mayweather threw one punch and it landed and the commentators were bumming him
im not saying canelo won or owt, I just don't think it was as clear cut as people say
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
One judge gave Canelo a draw against Mayweather. That's a bit harsh isn't it? Especially if one of the other judges saw it that way.
yeah very true
you know what tho, there were rounds in that fight where Mayweather didn't throw a punch
it was about the third when canelo was pushing the first 2 and a half minutes, only landed about 3 himself and then mayweather threw one punch and it landed and the commentators were bumming him
im not saying canelo won or owt, I just don't think it was as clear cut as people say
I'd have to see that round again, because I felt Mayweather won every round.
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
One judge gave Canelo a draw against Mayweather. That's a bit harsh isn't it? Especially if one of the other judges saw it that way.
yeah very true
you know what tho, there were rounds in that fight where Mayweather didn't throw a punch
it was about the third when canelo was pushing the first 2 and a half minutes, only landed about 3 himself and then mayweather threw one punch and it landed and the commentators were bumming him
im not saying canelo won or owt, I just don't think it was as clear cut as people say
I'd have to see that round again, because I felt Mayweather won every round.
You would.
It was a close fight which Canelo made. Fraud was running around protecting his delicate hands.
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Freedom
8 hours isn't a long drive???? Dude it's completely different boxing commissions as well, stop being so fucking paranoid.
Ward has the home country advantage because who the fuck wants to see a prize fight in Russia? If given the option I bet Kovalev would rather the fight be in New York or Atlantic City rather than say...Moscow or Saint Petersberg or Omsk or Novosibirsk. The money is going to be better, the tv will be better.
Refs, Judges.....they ain't gonna save Andre Ward, only Andre Ward can save Andre Ward and frankly I don't see it happening
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
One judge gave Canelo a draw against Mayweather. That's a bit harsh isn't it? Especially if one of the other judges saw it that way.
yeah very true
you know what tho, there were rounds in that fight where Mayweather didn't throw a punch
it was about the third when canelo was pushing the first 2 and a half minutes, only landed about 3 himself and then mayweather threw one punch and it landed and the commentators were bumming him
im not saying canelo won or owt, I just don't think it was as clear cut as people say
I'd have to see that round again, because I felt Mayweather won every round.
You would.
It was a close fight which Canelo made. Fraud was running around protecting his delicate hands.
Close fight? Close fucking fight ? I don't have to watch it again to see that you're in cuckoo land! ;D
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it was closer than people made out
Floyd did next to nothing in a few rounds
if I could really be bothered id check judges scores and watch the rounds again and then build an argument supported with video evidence, comparing judges opinions with the action round by round and everyone would go, O I he's got a point
but I cant
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I don't know if this has been mentioned already but I'd seen something on YouTube recently saying that Ward isn't exactly liked in Vegas after 'what he did' to Dan Goosen.
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erics44
it was closer than people made out
Floyd did next to nothing in a few rounds
if I could really be bothered id check judges scores and watch the rounds again and then build an argument supported with video evidence, comparing judges opinions with the action round by round and everyone would go, O I he's got a point
but I cant
One day, Me, You and Master will have to sit down together with a few beers and the volume down and watch it. This was one of Floyd's easiest fights in recent times.
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
it was closer than people made out
Floyd did next to nothing in a few rounds
if I could really be bothered id check judges scores and watch the rounds again and then build an argument supported with video evidence, comparing judges opinions with the action round by round and everyone would go, O I he's got a point
but I cant
One day, Me, You and Master will have to sit down together with a few beers and the volume down and watch it. This was one of Floyd's easiest fights in recent times.
It was close. ;)
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As long as the fight is in Vegas were good because there it kinda takes away from were the person is from i mean GGG considers it his home town when he fights. As long as it is not in Wards home town Kovalev will get a fair shake when it comes to the judges I feel at least anyway.
