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Ok guys... we'll make our own poll here.
Who do you think wins the election and how? Not who you WANT to win, unless it's one and the same. Who do you THINK is going to win?
There's an "Other" category just in case.
Please feel free to state your case.
I voted for Miles denilson better not win
#bringbackbeans
Where's your vote? I told you that's what the Other category was for.
Simple instructions.
I think Trump will win a close race.
Polls are not an exact science and I believe there are a TON of Trump supporters who keep silent. They'll tell their liberal family and friends that they hate both candidates or even that they support Hillary, but when they get in that booth they'll do the right thing and vote Trump.
Trump in an absolute landslide.
People have never liked Hillary the majority of her support stems from people who don't like Trump whereas Trump has support from people who despise/loathe/abhor Hillary Clinton (which is enhanced due to her being under FBI investigation...AGAIN) and a movement that Trump is just a figurehead of and I'd like to explain that a bit.
In the 1980's Donald Trump wasn't completely involved in politics but he was close by. He was always lurking near politics seemingly waiting for a time to strike. He was a successful businessman he was on Lifestyles of The Rich and Famous, he was the embodiment of America...big living, big talking, always looking for the next mountain to climb and he chose to run at a point where the world to many young adults seems completely upside down. We've got President Obama apologizing all across the globe for America, we've got colleges blatantly refusing to accept the FIRST amendment, people are being told that profit is a bad thing, we've got culture police, language police, all unofficial but of course supported by the Democrat (Divide and Conquer) Party.
People are fed the fuck up with it. I'm proud to be an American and I am sick to death of reading stories about how students are getting in trouble for wearing American flag apparel because the Mexican immigrants are having their feelings hurt and you're wearing THAT Halloween costume? That's offensive. And by "that's offensive" I mean I'm going to rile up a crowd and get you fired harass you on social media and make your life a living Hell....we're fucking tired of that. We're tired of hearing "Immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do"....stop and think about that...."Immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do"....if that's the case then why pray tell would Ford be moving their small car production to Mexico? 1. Immigrants are coming across the border all the time so if Americans don't want to build cars we've got plenty of immigrants who will and 2. Americans WANT to work, this acting like Americans are lazy is pathetic. We're proud people from all different backgrounds and God damn it we take pride in our work.
Now Michael Moore has his little Trumpland movie out about how fucking amazing Hillary is, but trapped inside that pieces of shit movie is a gem and Michael Moore actually stumbles across some hardcore truth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqHJuRcB-y0
Fat ass Michael Moore wants Trump to win, so he can pump out at least 4 years worth of shitty "documentaries" about him!
He couldn't go after Obama because he's the first black president and a Democrat, and he wouldn't be able to go after Hillary either as the first woman president! His movies just haven't grabbed the same attention as his ones when George W was in power!
Michael Moore is a real piece of work. He made a movie about how much better the health care was in Cuba! LMAO!
Maybe next he can make a movie about how human rights are so much better in the middle east! What a doofus!
As I said on another thread im not very clued up on this and surprised two candidates who no one seems to be a massive fan off have got this far.
I assumed Hilary was a dead certain winner though
I've explained how the 2 candidates have arrived here. Trump isn't a politician and is beholden to no one, Hillary Clinton just plain cheated her way to the nomination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
A lot of folks assumed Hillary was a shoo-in but as we have learned from Wikileaks that was mainly the "news media" driving that story home and now they look a lot more like a Propaganda machine.
Hardly anyone is psyched about voting for Hillary...they might be stoked to vote against Trump, but hell there's 2 other candidates you could vote for in order to accomplish that. People ARE psyched about voting for Trump though, just as much as they are excited about voting against Hillary....Trump is someone of whom not a whole lot will be expected as a political entity, but I believe he can and will bring Congress together.
Hillary should win and the Republicans will have a long hard look at themselves for not putting up a better candidate.
1. Why should Hillary win? Because she has a vagina? Because she's ridden her husband's coattails? Because she's as corrupt as the day is long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
2. The Republicans are already taking a long hard look at themselves because of this and they are terrified because their base did this to them. The Republican base who voted in a majority Republican Congress which repeatedly failed to act in the interests of their constituents now all have targets on their backs. Donald Trump is the candidate specifically because he's not one of those guys....if Trump loses it'll be the same as if Jeb Bush won this movement will get stronger not weaker.
Master, Americans are fed up. We're fed up being told that our future belongs to immigrants who take our jobs and depress our wages (it's no good for the immigrants either) and then attack us because of their religion. We're fed up being humiliated on the world stage by a pussy President constantly apologizing for everything. Americans believe we're better...not out of any ill will we have towards the rest of the world, we believe we are better because we're all free to achieve as much or as little as we want, our outcomes in life aren't dictated to us....we write our own future and we're tired of people telling us we expect too much. We're tired of growth in nations we have trade deals with and we get NOTHING in return. We're tired of lost jobs, we're tired of stagnant wages, we're tired of the government imposing on every aspect of our lives. Americans have pride in this nation, pride in their job, pride in the work they do every day....we don't want hand outs we want to work, we want success, we want to achieve.
Hillary Clinton isn't what we want and when I say "we" I mean those people voting for Trump. She thinks she can be President of the entire country when she's called us deplorable? Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, Xenophobic....Irredeemable? Listen to Trump, sure he'll be the first person to have a go at Hillary or whoever his opponent is BUT he has NEVER attacked the supporters of Hillary, he has only run a race against his opponent and not against Americans....unlike Hillary.
Here's 1 big reason NOT to want Hillary as President....a No Fly zone over Syria....meaning US aircraft would have to shoot down Russian aircraft think for one fucking second how that would go over with the Ruskies. Think they'd just take that on the chin and shake it off??? Or do you think they'd punch back? And if they DID punch back where does THAT stop? Nuclear war??? It's not beyond the realm of possibility.
Haha yes and Clinton is looked at as the non-war candidate! What a laugh!
As Trump says "It wouldn't be bad if we got along with Russia"Quote:
Originally Posted by vidgil
Think about that....hasn't that been the dream since 1945? "If only the US and Russia could just be friendly with each other....then world peace might not seem so far fetched"
We don't have to be best buddies or anything, but sharing a common goal of ridding the world of Militant Islamists wouldn't be all that bad would it? Working together to defeat ISIS and AL Qaeda....how is that a bad idea?
Trump knows that we should be friends with those who have common goals, like Russia. Russia is a fine country, where women give birth to men.
Clinton is more concerned about preaching LGBTQ and women's rights, and then taking money from countries where they burn homosexuals at the stake! What a sick joke Hillary and her campaign is!
We will see who is out of touch with public opinion.
I was wrong and out of touch when the Conservatives won and made me re-think what I thought other people believed.
America IS a nation of immigrants!
You're a moron if you think because your grandma and ma shat you out that you're more entitled to the country than someone who arrived 10 years ago.
Chances are that that ten year American is working far harder, and contributing far more to their community than your bullshit entitled kids will.
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Trump never had a problem with immigrants, he was always against ILLEGAL immigration.
It's not too much to ask that people who want to come to America go through the proper, legal channels to get there! As you say there are a lot of immigrants who work very hard and came to America LEGALLY, and they should be respect just as any other American!
We accept immigrants and have done so (to an extent) since our founding. The specific immigrants I'm talking about are those who came to America ILLEGALLY do you comprehend that? Do you understand that? Does that idea make any synapses fire in your brain?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Don't know about you, but most folks aren't "shat out" by their Grandmothers. And how fucking DARE you accuse me of being "entitled" how much in taxes have the illegals paid? I pay for roads and schools and bridges and buses and hospitals you cunt! I FUCKING BUILD THAT, my fucking money and you're GOD DAMNED RIGHT I deserve MY government working for ME before working for some fucking illegal immigrant! You think I'm going to sit back and just watch our veterans get kicked to the curb just because some motherfucker crawls across the border willing to work for CENTS a day....no sir.
Get a fucking clue shitstain
The DemoCrooks will say anything to get into office! Hillary opposed gay marriage for 99% of her life, and now she's a beacon of hope for LGBTQ people? What a joke!
At least Trump has been honest about his intentions from the get-go! America doesn't need another Democrook in the white house!
It's people who employ the illegals and that pay them such disgustingly low wages that you should be angry about not the illegals themselves. They're just trying to survive and thrive. It's the Trumps and wannabe Trumps that you should be directing your anger towards.
I don't hate illegals whatsoever. In fact, I find it admirable if they are doing what they can to support their families back home.
But that's besides the point - we have rules and regulations for a reason, and they must be followed! Come to this country legally or not at all!
I shouldn't be angry at the illegals themselves eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Examples of Serious Crimes By Illegal Aliens
Not only are illegal immigrants using our roads, our schools, our infrastructure that WE American citizens pay our hard earned money for....Illegal Immigrants are committing more crime than regular citizens.
Rape and murder are the specialties of illegal immigrants oh and ALSO if you care about the illegal immigrants, then you'd want them to NOT illegally come into America because it's dangerous.
How dangerous is it?
Coyotes Eat Corpse of Dead Migrant in Texas, Remains 'Scattered'
Buzzards and Coyotes clean up the dead bodies not to mention a lot of ranchers out west have to AT THEIR OWN PERIL attempt to save these dumb fucks attempting to cross the border
Hahaha! This is a joke right? You're a funny guy Elvis Kabong!
Our vote counters at ACORN and the New Black Panthers informed the cabal at our morning meeting that Hillary is going to win by 3-4 points.
Lyle. Stagnant wages? You sound exactly like me in 2007. American politics have progressed exactly how I predicted in 2007 but who would have thought it could happen so fast? Who would have thought that by 2016 you and the Republican nominee would be parroting exactly what I was saying nine years ago?
....yet as we stand right now, you're NOT in support of either myself or Donald Trump saying those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
How have YOUR views changed Kirkland? Why have they changed?
'Rape and murder are the specialties of illegal immigrants'...you really believe that Lyle??? To me that's the kind of rabble rabble rabble mantra that this campaign slaps on a t shirt and loses the plot. Legal, illegal black white or forest green I think we've done a great job of both nationwide. Tragically.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
#NOTALLILLEGALS
Does that make it better? Yes, I know and have worked with people who are illegal immigrants and no #NOTALLILLEGALS are bad people. #NOTALLILLEGALS rape and kill, oh we've got PLENTY of rapers and killers here in the United States, but apparently not so many that we don't fucking import more.
ADDED TO WHICH
How do illegals come here? Via Coyotes (the people not the animals) who typically RAPE the women wanting to cross the border and can end up killing Border Patrol Officers OR the Coyotes can just up and leave these immigrants stranded in the desert leaving them miles and miles away from civilization where they what??? What happens??? Do they live happily ever after??? NO! They die, the elements get to them, the animals get to them, dehydration gets to them....ooooh that sounds like a fucking blast.
A friend of mine that I worked with came to the United States on something called a "Death Train".....well that sounds fan-fucking-tastic who wouldn't want to ride on something called a "Death Train"??!?! Women and children first fellas!
Illegal Immigration is dangerous for the people crossing the border and it's dangerous for the legal citizens and it's very costly and I'd like to see it stopped. I'd also like for the naturalization process to be fixed so it doesn't cost so fucking much to become a citizen or take so damned long. I'd rather people come to the United States in a LEGAL and HUMANE way....but apparently that's wrong of me. Sorry I'm being insensitive
but no, let's all get offended because I said Illegal Immigrants rape and murder because apparently someone thinks that doesn't happen....or was your real problem with my statement the percentage which you inferred from that quote by me?
If that's the case perhaps we can discuss it....I mean I'd rather nobody end up dead but if a crime is going to be committed in the United States I'd much rather it be by someone who is here legally. Dead is dead, but when you're breaking more laws in order to get here and you end up killing someone....let's say you're the relative of a murder victim. If the murderer is an American citizen who has otherwise done nothing wrong you say "Well, maybe there was just nothing that could have been done" vs if the murderer is an illegal immigrant who has been deported several times and always returned you might ask "Why the fuck was he here? How the fuck did he come back? Why is he not already in jail somewhere?"....or maybe you see them both the same way. I don't know, I don't know of anyone who has been murdered.
So is this...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/at-least-239-
migrants-believed-drowned-in-mediterranean-un-says/ar-AAjR0w8?li=BBnb7Kz
Humane?
That a good thing? That a positive thing? 239 DROWNED! And whose money pays for Italy to fish those "migrant" survivors out of the Med???? Don't think the same happens when people are turning cars into boats and fleeing Cuba? Or Haiti to the US? Elian Gonzales came over on a raft his mother fucking died on....pardon me if I'd rather have them LEGALLY be able to come here and it be easier for them to become citizens.
I'm a bad person though...because some of the people coming across the border aren't the greatest citizens in their own countries. Some MS-13 guys end up coming over and staying....that going to improve America's standing in the world?
Apparently Bill complained that he and Hillary had no sex life because she had bad body odour and her hair was greasy.
How can she be good enough for America when she wasn't good enough for Bill?
This thread is pretty entertaining but I'm too tired to read it all now, I'm gunna resume it tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Batman
If you want to cheer yourself halfway through, just switch back to reading about serial killers;D
Batman never tires, I am beginning to think you are not really him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
Jebus Christmas brother, how in the flying fark did you get all electrocuted porcupine from a question more to you than a policy ;D. You're not a bad dude man it's just talk. Of course and it's common knowledge that bad dudes exist who'd love to exploit our freedoms and blow shit up. Just as there is the majority, and I believe that, who just want what we all want in a bigger and better opportunity they can literally see from where they stand. Now I'm talking the Southern boarder here and what's in direct relation as I've traveled the boarder and more than remember watching and hearing 'them' run through our backyard and flatten fences as a kid. I cannot have a clue about masses from different directions overseas and in many ways we frankly have it much easier. Thing of it is for all the rhetoric and red meat being put out in the shitty election there is little talk or actual immigration reform or the same hazards you point out but more only the perceived danger they present just by being here. And I'm not convinced that legal or illegal status and a simple matter of 'papers in order' will be enough for some of the more hardened proponents who dumb it down to a BIG WALL with little peripheral vision. Immigration goes both ways and it needs to be as thorough, consistent and legal as it is a fact and way of life for us as a Nation. You're right though dead is dead. On that example can we honestly say that the boarder now is potentially any different than the rotating doors of our prison system with repeat or potential offenders. It's late.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
#NOTALLILLEGALS
Does that make it better? Yes, I know and have worked with people who are illegal immigrants and no #NOTALLILLEGALS are bad people. #NOTALLILLEGALS rape and kill, oh we've got PLENTY of rapers and killers here in the United States, but apparently not so many that we don't fucking import more.
ADDED TO WHICH
How do illegals come here? Via Coyotes (the people not the animals) who typically RAPE the women wanting to cross the border and can end up killing Border Patrol Officers OR the Coyotes can just up and leave these immigrants stranded in the desert leaving them miles and miles away from civilization where they what??? What happens??? Do they live happily ever after??? NO! They die, the elements get to them, the animals get to them, dehydration gets to them....ooooh that sounds like a fucking blast.
A friend of mine that I worked with came to the United States on something called a "Death Train".....well that sounds fan-fucking-tastic who wouldn't want to ride on something called a "Death Train"??!?! Women and children first fellas!
Illegal Immigration is dangerous for the people crossing the border and it's dangerous for the legal citizens and it's very costly and I'd like to see it stopped. I'd also like for the naturalization process to be fixed so it doesn't cost so fucking much to become a citizen or take so damned long. I'd rather people come to the United States in a LEGAL and HUMANE way....but apparently that's wrong of me. Sorry I'm being insensitive
but no, let's all get offended because I said Illegal Immigrants rape and murder because apparently someone thinks that doesn't happen....or was your real problem with my statement the percentage which you inferred from that quote by me?
If that's the case perhaps we can discuss it....I mean I'd rather nobody end up dead but if a crime is going to be committed in the United States I'd much rather it be by someone who is here legally. Dead is dead, but when you're breaking more laws in order to get here and you end up killing someone....let's say you're the relative of a murder victim. If the murderer is an American citizen who has otherwise done nothing wrong you say "Well, maybe there was just nothing that could have been done" vs if the murderer is an illegal immigrant who has been deported several times and always returned you might ask "Why the fuck was he here? How the fuck did he come back? Why is he not already in jail somewhere?"....or maybe you see them both the same way. I don't know, I don't know of anyone who has been murdered.
Wall street and the war hawks are for Hillary. This cunt wins and wins big.
President Obama is now encouraging ILLEGAL aliens to vote.....well there goes my country. No borders, anyone can vote, America ceases to exist if this is the new normal.
Kirkland Laing prediction.
Hitlery 312 Drumpf 226.
Our cabal had a conference call a few hours ago with ACORN senior leadership and New Black Panther High Command. They've assured us that even though Trump is miles ahead everywhere in the real polls they've got their shit down and are confident they can steal the election for Hillary. Brigadier General LaShawn Shabazz tells me he expects Hillary to win by 2-3 points.
I've been telling you now for nine years that the US economy was fundamentally unbalanced and that it needed to be rebalanced in favour of American workers. You spent the first eight years telling me I didn't understand America and had no idea how business works. Now it turns out that real Americans think like I do and people who support free trade and free markets like you previously did are a bunch of anti-American globalist crooks. And you've gone from one position to another with apparently no acknowledgement of your 180 or any self awareness. Of course you actually have a good reason why you haven't acknowledged it -- your little shelf. After Donald put all this new information on the front of the little shelf in your head that acts as your brain it pushed all the old free market information off the back of the shelf, never to be seen again.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....yet as we stand right now, you're NOT in support of either myself or Donald Trump saying those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
How have YOUR views changed Kirkland? Why have they changed?
But it's good that we now both agree that there needs to be a redistribution of wealth in America comrade. After the election we can discuss this further.
Alright so I'll ask again because you've had a jolly old time patting yourself on the back and saying "pretty boy" in the mirror.....you support Hillary Clinton who will pass TPP which is the Asian version of NAFTA because why again????Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And apparently you have memories of me supporting NAFTA? Where have I supported NAFTA?
All things being equal, sure Free Trade is great but when you're dealing with tariffs and monetary manipulation and other nations who don't have minimum wages then adjustments have to be made in order to make things fair. Trade with China isn't fair. The United States government makes it very difficult to compete on the world stage....but I guess this all seems like a flip flop. To you, it always would Kirkland.
And hell you accuse me of flip flopping and then you support the candidate who you admit states they want the exact thing you are worried about "Duh, I'm always right"
You better hope you are.....then when Hillary is impeached just like her husband...or maybe she'll suffer some other kind of fate worse than that?
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
It seems like a flip flop because it is comrade. You now agree with me that we need a massive redistribution of wealth in America so that the economy improves.
It's either the capitalist elite or the workers who will achieve the ultimate victory comrade Lyle.
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slides...75294_free.jpg
It's good to see that after nine years you've become socially aware and are now ready to fight for the rights of the proletariat. We can discuss this further after ACORN and the New Black Panthers have stolen the election and installed the Obama dynasty to rule over America forever more.
So no actual response just jibberish? Good job Kirk honey....good boy