Castro is dead

It's about fucking time...one step closer to a free Cuba!

He will burn

Great leader who brought fairness and equality to a corrupt evil country.

The Yankees must be dancing one cigar chewing freedom fighter fucking them up for years LOL.

Any day a man known for spreading communism dies is a great day in my book! ;D

A murderous tyrant and an enemy of freedom. Shame he lasted so long! ;D

Hopefully we'll see a day when the great people of Cuba don't have to risk their lives out in the Atlantic ocean on a dingy, trying desperately to experience the freedom that so many American brats take for granted!

People forget some of the CIA-directed cold war bullshit preceded Castro. USA fostered a coup in Guatemala in 1954, and were using their might to prop up United Fruit-friendly right-wing assholes all over Central America. They had also gotten rid of Mossadegh in Iran long before Castro came to power.

Was Castro a good guy ? Depends on who you ask. I’ll say one thing, whatever people say about Castro, Batista (President of Cuba before Castro) was worse.

So when people talk about Castro they forget the man he replaced, just like people forget the corrupt and inept military dictatorship USA supported in Vietnam. The Mob totally owned Havana in the 1950’s. They were delivering suitcases full of cash to Batista, and he was making sure everybody got paid off so that nobody was bothering the Mob.

Batista also used torture and violence against protesters. Of course, USA didn’t care, he was *theirs*. As long as United Fruit, Meyer Lansky, and other Americans were getting rich, Batista was OK by them.

Castro was the first (and for ages the only) left-wing ruler in Latin America that was able to tell American robber barons, and their CIA allies, to go fuck themselves. He kept Cuba from becoming Guatemala.

Castro built a good healthcare system, excellent education, and a decent quality of life for most people, despite the best efforts of the USA. America has never had any interest in promoting democracy in other countries and has deposed democratically elected governments where those governments obstructed American interests.

When Castro came to power, Jim Crow was alive and well across the USA and the USA supported similar oppressive regimes across the world. South Africa is a good example. USA supported the apartheid regime till the 80s.

Fidel Castro worked with many African leaders like Kwame Nkrumah, Mandela, Malcolm X.

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Fidel Castro & Cuba offered to send medical help 2 all the dying Black ppl during Hurricane Katrina & the US said no

Not only did Fidel Castro & Cuba help end apartheid in South Africa, he also helped the African nation of Angola win it's independence. Castro & Cuba did a lot to help west Africans in the Ebola crisis. Not to mention Cuba has doctors in Haiti right now combating the cholera UN workers gave the Haitian people.

Castro was an ally for African liberation around the globe.

god damn suspected White Supremacist

Damn how many presidents were trying to get rid of Castro? Now trump is elected and three weeks later Castro is dead. Hail glorious leader.

@Master over the past 30 years here in New York City and New Jersey I have met hundreds literally 100s of Cubans who fled in 1959 after Castro seized their shoe stores, jewelry businesses, silversmith shops, bakeries, convenience stores and bank accounts. Florida and NY/NJ are packed with Cubans who fled in '59.

How dare you say Castro was good and important. I have lived here with these people firsthand. Union City, NJ ALONE has over 25,000 Cubans.

I have a lot of respect for Castro. He started a revolution when he was 26 and brought independence from foreign occupation to his country. Cuba provided education and free health care for its people despite struggling because of the US imposed embargo which was cruel and inhumane. Castro was far from perfect, he was a bit of a playboy, repressed journalism and did crack down on dissidents, but he clearly loved his country, did a lot of good, and Cuba has done a lot for other poor countries.

It's funny how Donald Trump has such harsh words for Castro. If we apply the 'Clinton standard', he will be saying he was a nice guy this time next week and that he has been through enough. Castro is an inspiration and in some ways the US could learn from Cuba. The US health care industry is all about profit and it should never be about profit.

My boss immigrated from Cuba. Today he bought the entire staff daiquiris and got a little weepy :-X. Was the oddest shit I've seen in a awhile.

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@Master over the past 30 years here in New York City and New Jersey I have met hundreds literally 100s of Cubans who fled in 1959 after Castro seized their shoe stores, jewelry businesses, silversmith shops, bakeries, convenience stores and bank accounts. Florida and NY/NJ are packed with Cubans who fled in '59.

How dare you say Castro was good and important. I have lived here with these people firsthand. Union City, NJ ALONE has over 25,000 Cubans.

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So what about the millions that stayed loyal to the country and were proud of Cuba? You only experienced one side.

My family is Cuban (I was born in Ft. Lauderdale), initially supported Castro when he overthrew Batista (who was very corrupt), but then ended up fleeing the country and opposing Castro. My Grandfather (and most great uncles...etc., of that generation), where part of the Bay of Pigs debacle, were captured and sent to prison. There are always two sides to every story, and I always try to look at things in a detached/unbiased way (my grandfather owned the largest department store in Havana, so while he lost everything, many of the poor people gained something). A few thoughts I have on Castro:

1. Obviously a very smart man, and very brave for making multiple attempts to overthrow a corrupt regime (was exiled for a previous attempt when he and Raul threw together their "raiding party".
2. Extremely charismatic and a phenomenal public speaker.
3. Completely full of shit and 100% committed to nothing but his own power. Read Che's story and see the hypocrisy of Castro once in power. Che was a lot of things, but that man was no hypocrite and a true believer in Communism. Castro was an opportunist.
4. Hard to say Castro was successful as a leader at all looking at the conditions in Cuba today. I can't see anyone saying Cuba flourished or had great conditions at any point under his reign.

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My family is Cuban (I was born in Ft. Lauderdale), initially supported Castro when he overthrew Batista (who was very corrupt), but then ended up fleeing the country and opposing Castro. My Grandfather (and most great uncles...etc., of that generation), where part of the Bay of Pigs debacle, were captured and sent to prison. There are always two sides to every story, and I always try to look at things in a detached/unbiased way (my grandfather owned the largest department store in Havana, so while he lost everything, many of the poor people gained something). A few thoughts I have on Castro:

1. Obviously a very smart man, and very brave for making multiple attempts to overthrow a corrupt regime (was exiled for a previous attempt when he and Raul threw together their "raiding party".
2. Extremely charismatic and a phenomenal public speaker.
3. Completely full of shit and 100% committed to nothing but his own power. Read Che's story and see the hypocrisy of Castro once in power. Che was a lot of things, but that man was no hypocrite and a true believer in Communism. Castro was an opportunist.
4. Hard to say Castro was successful as a leader at all looking at the conditions in Cuba today. I can't see anyone saying Cuba flourished or had great conditions at any point under his reign.

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Well written. Your family was brave for the bay of pigs. Damn those guys got screwed over. A lot of people are dead due to Castro. I saw a documentary about the missle crisis. Castro was pissed kruschev backed down and urged him to launch nukes against the us. Castro wanted ww3 and was mad he didn't get it

Some are dead because of Castro, but I find it ironic that those who imposed sanctions seem blind to just how many people have been killed since ww2 by their own regime. I know I would feel safer getting medical care in Cuba. Uninsured people in the US wait for their tumors to grow as they cannot afford treatment. Probably best to study in Cuba than graduate with 100000 dollars of debt.

Cuba has its good side in the face of adversity and that is getting lost in the mainstream coverage.

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Some are dead because of Castro, but I find it ironic that those who imposed sanctions seem blind to just how many people have been killed since ww2 by their own regime. I know I would feel safer getting medical care in Cuba. Uninsured people in the US wait for their tumors to grow as they cannot afford treatment. Probably best to study in Cuba than graduate with 100000 dollars of debt.

Cuba has its good side in the face of adversity and that is getting lost in the mainstream coverage.

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Miles I'm not looking to fight. Sanctions were placed for good reasons at the time. If Fidel had been able to give a bit to his people sanctions could have been lifted to he pissed of South America by trying to depose rulers and in still commies. The fact the man tried to get the nuclear bombs going while Kennedy and kruschev were avoiding war says all that needs to be said. His little country would have been nuked and he was willing to kill his entire people to make his point. Miles, I'm not looking to argue. He created civil war in poor countries some are still going on till this day. But he did kiss a baby once so I guess it's ok

I had a lovely Cuban dinner last night....a Cubano sandwich, a Cuba Libre, some fried plantains, some yucca, and a coconut flan and the best part about it was the fact that Fidel wasn't enjoying those same things that very day.


Castro made Cuba worse off, there is absolutely no denying that.

Let me try to understand something. The U.S. have sanction on Cuba but not China or Vietnam? Castro was a hero to many third world people seeking justice. Thank you for not being a slave or a puppet of the U.S. slave master. R.I.P.

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My family is Cuban (I was born in Ft. Lauderdale), initially supported Castro when he overthrew Batista (who was very corrupt), but then ended up fleeing the country and opposing Castro. My Grandfather (and most great uncles...etc., of that generation), where part of the Bay of Pigs debacle, were captured and sent to prison. There are always two sides to every story, and I always try to look at things in a detached/unbiased way (my grandfather owned the largest department store in Havana, so while he lost everything, many of the poor people gained something). A few thoughts I have on Castro:

1. Obviously a very smart man, and very brave for making multiple attempts to overthrow a corrupt regime (was exiled for a previous attempt when he and Raul threw together their "raiding party".
2. Extremely charismatic and a phenomenal public speaker.
3. Completely full of shit and 100% committed to nothing but his own power. Read Che's story and see the hypocrisy of Castro once in power. Che was a lot of things, but that man was no hypocrite and a true believer in Communism. Castro was an opportunist.
4. Hard to say Castro was successful as a leader at all looking at the conditions in Cuba today. I can't see anyone saying Cuba flourished or had great conditions at any point under his reign.

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Great insight! Thanks!

Walrus where do you get Castro wanted WW3? He did not cause the bay of pigs. USA also supported countries in South America.

Stop being a hypocrite.

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@Master over the past 30 years here in New York City and New Jersey I have met hundreds literally 100s of Cubans who fled in 1959 after Castro seized their shoe stores, jewelry businesses, silversmith shops, bakeries, convenience stores and bank accounts. Florida and NY/NJ are packed with Cubans who fled in '59.

How dare you say Castro was good and important. I have lived here with these people firsthand. Union City, NJ ALONE has over 25,000 Cubans.

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So what about the millions that stayed loyal to the country and were proud of Cuba? You only experienced one side.

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and how many sides did you experience? @Master p.s. they are DYING ON RAFTS TO GET OUT OF THERE. "Stayed loyal"??? how about "trapped"! @Gandalf why dont you just move to Pyongyang you communist shill? @walrus sick 'em JC! SICK 'EM!!!

There are many south americans wanting to leave their country and go to the USA. Does that mean their government are murderers?

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There are many south americans wanting to leave their country and go to the USA. Does that mean their government are murderers?

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I don't welcome any of them. Unless they come legally. But you've changed the topic. Cubans were escaping a brutal tyrant. No South American president is a brutal tyrant unless you count that jackass who is currently running Venezuela.

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Some are dead because of Castro, but I find it ironic that those who imposed sanctions seem blind to just how many people have been killed since ww2 by their own regime. I know I would feel safer getting medical care in Cuba. Uninsured people in the US wait for their tumors to grow as they cannot afford treatment. Probably best to study in Cuba than graduate with 100000 dollars of debt.

Cuba has its good side in the face of adversity and that is getting lost in the mainstream coverage.

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Miles I'm not looking to fight. Sanctions were placed for good reasons at the time. If Fidel had been able to give a bit to his people sanctions could have been lifted to he pissed of South America by trying to depose rulers and in still commies. The fact the man tried to get the nuclear bombs going while Kennedy and kruschev were avoiding war says all that needs to be said. His little country would have been nuked and he was willing to kill his entire people to make his point. Miles, I'm not looking to argue. He created civil war in poor countries some are still going on till this day. But he did kiss a baby once so I guess it's ok

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The US was encircling Russia with nukes as they are doing today. It was logical to respond with the same in kind at the US. You cannot have double standards.

How many countries has the US occupied and destroyed? It makes a mockery of any Cuban involvement. The US is the worlds leading arms trader by war.

The sanctions made Cuba even poorer, but even then when it came to human rights such as health care and education it set an example and made a mockery of the money motivator that is the US system.

Castro did a lot of good and you do not see that in the warped US coverage.

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@Master over the past 30 years here in New York City and New Jersey I have met hundreds literally 100s of Cubans who fled in 1959 after Castro seized their shoe stores, jewelry businesses, silversmith shops, bakeries, convenience stores and bank accounts. Florida and NY/NJ are packed with Cubans who fled in '59.

How dare you say Castro was good and important. I have lived here with these people firsthand. Union City, NJ ALONE has over 25,000 Cubans.

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So what about the millions that stayed loyal to the country and were proud of Cuba? You only experienced one side.

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and how many sides did you experience? @Master p.s. they are DYING ON RAFTS TO GET OUT OF THERE. "Stayed loyal"??? how about "trapped"! @Gandalf why dont you just move to Pyongyang you communist shill? @walrus sick 'em JC! SICK 'EM!!!

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Not an argument. Plus you seldom care about people fleeing on rafts.

@Master these story's come from castros own people and Russians speaking out years later. Castro did not want the ussr removing the nukes from Cuba and urged the ussr to launch them rather than submit to the us blockade. I'm not making this up, we were very close to ww3 during the Cuban missle crisis during the Kennedy regime

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Let me try to understand something. The U.S. have sanction on Cuba but not China or Vietnam? Castro was a hero to many third world people seeking justice. Thank you for not being a slave or a puppet of the U.S. slave master. R.I.P.

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When did China or Vietnam aim nukes at us?

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Let me try to understand something. The U.S. have sanction on Cuba but not China or Vietnam? Castro was a hero to many third world people seeking justice. Thank you for not being a slave or a puppet of the U.S. slave master. R.I.P.

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Exactly. Biggest trading partner with Communist, sweat shop extraordinaire, China (Tibetan freedom anyone), yet Cuba under Castro was just so big and bad. Incredible double standards.

Castro had his faults and the regime did things wrong, but you have to laugh when you listen to the MSM. Corbyn and Putin had it right in their appraisals of Castro.

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My family is Cuban (I was born in Ft. Lauderdale), initially supported Castro when he overthrew Batista (who was very corrupt), but then ended up fleeing the country and opposing Castro. My Grandfather (and most great uncles...etc., of that generation), where part of the Bay of Pigs debacle, were captured and sent to prison. There are always two sides to every story, and I always try to look at things in a detached/unbiased way (my grandfather owned the largest department store in Havana, so while he lost everything, many of the poor people gained something). A few thoughts I have on Castro:

1. Obviously a very smart man, and very brave for making multiple attempts to overthrow a corrupt regime (was exiled for a previous attempt when he and Raul threw together their "raiding party".
2. Extremely charismatic and a phenomenal public speaker.
3. Completely full of shit and 100% committed to nothing but his own power. Read Che's story and see the hypocrisy of Castro once in power. Che was a lot of things, but that man was no hypocrite and a true believer in Communism. Castro was an opportunist.
4. Hard to say Castro was successful as a leader at all looking at the conditions in Cuba today. I can't see anyone saying Cuba flourished or had great conditions at any point under his reign.

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Good post. You want the real lowdown on Castro? Ask the Cubans, who are the most qualified to speak on the man. Everything else is speculation.

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@Master over the past 30 years here in New York City and New Jersey I have met hundreds literally 100s of Cubans who fled in 1959 after Castro seized their shoe stores, jewelry businesses, silversmith shops, bakeries, convenience stores and bank accounts. Florida and NY/NJ are packed with Cubans who fled in '59.

How dare you say Castro was good and important. I have lived here with these people firsthand. Union City, NJ ALONE has over 25,000 Cubans.

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So what about the millions that stayed loyal to the country and were proud of Cuba? You only experienced one side.

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and how many sides did you experience? @Master p.s. they are DYING ON RAFTS TO GET OUT OF THERE. "Stayed loyal"??? how about "trapped"! @Gandalf why dont you just move to Pyongyang you communist shill? @walrus sick 'em JC! SICK 'EM!!!

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Not an argument. Plus you seldom care about people fleeing on rafts.

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WHO SAID I CARED??!:confused::confused::confused: I said that proves there werent "millions and millions who were proud of Castro".

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Inside Fidel Castro’s life of luxury and ladies while country starved | New York Post

Life of luxury as country starved.....Oooooooh what a great leader :rolleyes: Ooooooh what a national hero :rolleyes:


Communism and Socialism want to rid the world of the 1%ers.....they want the wealth to be held by the 0.01%ers the dictators. Look at ANY Socialist or Communist nation and a bet you the wealthiest person in that nation is the guy leading it.

Communists and socialists are nauseating naive ass-fucking dreamers who do not see reality but live in a gay fantasy world of SJW Kumbaya Jill Stein Bernie Sanders Jeremy Corby ~ASS FUCKERS~ Rainbow Queers.

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Communists and socialists are nauseating naive ass-fucking dreamers who do not see reality but live in a gay fantasy world of SJW Kumbaya Jill Stein Bernie Sanders Jeremy Corby ~ASS FUCKERS~ Rainbow Queers.

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Your words certainly paint a vivid picture! ;D

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Communists and socialists are nauseating naive ass-fucking dreamers who do not see reality but live in a gay fantasy world of SJW Kumbaya Jill Stein Bernie Sanders Jeremy Corby ~ASS FUCKERS~ Rainbow Queers.

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Ah yes, Bernie, the Socialist who sold out his voters for a Lake House! His 3rd domicile by the way....quite a few for a SOCIALIST!!!!

No worse than a billionaire selling their debt ridden business for £1 and let the state to pick up the pension bill and redundancy whilst giving all the profits to the wife who is a tax exile in Monaco.

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No worse than a billionaire selling their debt ridden business for £1 and let the state to pick up the pension bill and redundancy whilst giving all the profits to the wife who is a tax exile in Monaco.

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Did Phillip Green shoot anyone? Did his business policies doom England financially to the point where people took cars, turned them into boats, and attempt to travel 90 miles across shark infested waters in order to get to freedom?


No???



I GUESS IT'S NOT THE SAME THEN

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No worse than a billionaire selling their debt ridden business for £1 and let the state to pick up the pension bill and redundancy whilst giving all the profits to the wife who is a tax exile in Monaco.

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Did Phillip Green shoot anyone? Did his business policies doom England financially to the point where people took cars, turned them into boats, and attempt to travel 90 miles across shark infested waters in order to get to freedom?


No???



I GUESS IT'S NOT THE SAME THEN

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So there never has been a capitalist leader that was the equivalent of Castro?

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So there never has been a capitalist leader that was the equivalent of Castro?

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Woah there lil doggie, Communism/Socialism doesn't JUST have Castro...there's a long, long, line of murderous tyrants from that group something any Capitalist leader even the bad ones like Batista and the Shah of Iran and even someone like Pinochet wouldn't be able to shake a stick at.


Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Poppa Doc, Ceausescu, Tito....there were some really really bad dudes out there.


And of course let us not forget guys like Leopold II lest we be lectured to by Denilson



Capitalism doesn't work with brute force or tyranny...the ideals of Communism and Socialism may seem great and grand, but what good are group rights, social (aka group) justice, if you dont' have INDIVIDUAL rights? INDIVIDUAL justice?