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So it appears now that De La Hoya wants to use GGG's willingness to once again lay it all on the line in June in an effort to Unify as an excuse for Canelo not to fight him later in the year. Desperate much?
De La Hoya Warns: Golovkin Fighting in June Derails Canelo Bout! - Boxing News
GGG keeps on fighting........ Team Canelo keeps making excuses.
What a cunt move from Oscar. GGG has been waiting for this last year and messed up his schedule.
GGG can beat BJS and take on Canelo is September, this is a poor excuse.
Unless Oscar guarantees the fight in September, Canelo should ignore Oscar.
Dunno, it's a fair point. Apart from the fact they're completely overlooking/disrespecting Billy Joe there is a chance of getting injured. Plus it's a quick turnaround for Golovkin to go back into training camp/promote the fight.
If the Billy Joe fight is such a pointless foregone conclusion why make it?
GGG wants to fight at home, it is an easy match to make and GGG will have another belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Why should Oscar/Canelo care what GGG's fight schedule is? It's obvious Oscar will use any excuse in the book to claim the fight has been "derailed." This is as transparent as it gets, and only diehard Canelo fans don't get it. If Team Canelo had been clamoring for a GGG fight from the beginning, this might be a bit more credible... but we all know that isn't the case.
Who cares about the belt, it doesn't make a jot of difference to the fight with Canelo. Everyone is already on board that Golovkin-Canelo is THE middleweight championship fight, Canelo is the lineal champ.
Whether or not you believe Oscar is making excuses to swerve Golovkin, his reasons are valid. He doesn't want to sign his fighter to something that could be scuppered, this is standard par for the course business in boxing.
Ditch the Billy Joe fight if it's so meaningless. Simple.
Who says the Billy Joe fight is meaningless? Team Canelo? Yeah ok. :rolleyes:
Team Canelo's specialty is empty talk. Canelo calling out GGG after he beat Cotto? Empty talk.
Captain Fishnets claiming they were letting the Canelo-GGG fight "marinate" before making it? Empty talk.
Team Canelo insisting GGG come down to JMW when Canelo is perfectly capable of fighting at MW or above? Empty talk.
They can't fight at 160, but they can fight at 164.5, whatever the f*ck that means.
DLH's posturing is empty and indefensible. Pure and simple.
No Oscar said the opposite.
Team Golovkin are disrepecting Canelo and Billy Joe for obvious/already explained reasons.
The only way BJS can prove he is being disrespected by GGG is by beating him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Canelo has been disrespecting GGG for years now.
Team Golovkin is disrespecting Canelo?? :rofmaoal:
How, pray tell....... by continuing to fight on while DLH/ Canelo find more and more excuses NOT to fight him?
Sorry bro. The "Good Jokes" thread is on the Off Topic board.
So let me see if I understand this correctly............
GGG is "disrespecting" (whatever the f*ck that means here) Canelo by fighting BJS in June.....
but Canelo is NOT disrespecting GGG by fighting JCC Jr. in May??!!??
This shit couldn't be made up by a stand-up comedian.
Deny it all you want, what Oscar said was perfectly reasonable, doesn't matter a jot what happened in the past.
If the fight against Billy Joe is so easy that they can agree to fight Canelo and be ready for the promotional tour, media commitments and training camp within days of facing Billy Joe then they don't even need to risk something going wrong.
Because the Canelo-JCC Jr. fight the month before has no risks of its own?
Seriously... do you buy it or do you just shovel it?
If the Canelo fight can be guaranteed then GGG should forgo the Saunders fight. I heard that De La Hoya was considering a purse split now. Talk is cheap tho. Send the contract then Golovkin has something concrete to work with rather than just words.
GGG should fight Saunders. Canelo and Oscar play games and are unreliable. GGG is an easy fight to make, so it's pretty obvious that Oscar is just trying to delay as much as possible.
If Chavez Jr. Comes to fight and is in shape, I'm not so sure the BJS or any other fight will matter. Canelo isn't guaranteed a win in that fight, since Jr. will be the much larger man (something new for Canelo). I personally think Canelo is shit and a hype job, and that Charlo, Jacobs, GGG, Spence, and Brook all beat him out of the ring.
Oscar De La Hoya, doubting Gennady Golovkin's drawing power, will redo offer for Canelo fight - LA Times
Of COURSE! That was about the only excuse left for Team Canelo not to face GGG!!
Now DLH is going to "recraft" another deal with GGG, meaning he's found yet ANOTHER excuse to avoid Canelo having to fight him. Now it's because GGG is not enough of a draw. Seriously... does DLH believe he's dealing with a bunch of morons in the boxing public? Well... scratch that. Blind fans will believe whatever B.S. comes out of DLH's mouth.
So let's recap some of the excuses Team Canelo has used to avoid GGG.
First, the fight had to "marinate". The implication that it was too soon. You have to let the hype train run for awhile. Ok.
Then there was the weight factor. Sure... we'll fight GGG. Come down to 154 and we'll fight. Of course, after you kill yourself making the weight, we'll re-hydrate up to 180 and you'll be weakened.
Then it was the BJS fight. Never mind we're fighting Junior in May. You're fighting BJS in June and thus you're somehow disrespecting us.
Fight's off!!
Finally, it's that GGG isn't enough of a draw... and DLH will proceed to make some ridiculous offer to GGG just so blind fans can see that an offer was made. When GGG tells Team Canelo to go to hell... it'll be proof that Canelo wanted GGG, but it was GGG that didn't want to fight.
At this point, I don't care who it is. I'm just dying for any true middleweight to get Canelo in the ring, hopefully somewhere in the same weight neighborhood..... and proceed to beat the living shit out of him.
Oscar is a cunt! End of. Forget about GGG, how the fuck can he even talk about a fight for Canelo and GGG, his boy has got to beat JCC Jr. First. He's avoided it so many times , who the fuck does he think he is.
Let's say that Canelo and GGG Don't fight next, who is Canelo going to fight? He's run out of catch weight bullshit opponents. God forbid he has a meaningful fight for a title at a proper weight! :rolleyes:
GGG should ignore BJS and Canelo. Either rematch Jacobs or go up to SMW and fight one of the top guys up there.
I don't care about a GGG fight anyway. I think it will be easy work for GGG, so it's not a meaningful fight. Canelo gets found out whenever he fights someone good at his weight (Floyd/Lara) and the rest of it is filler like Matthew Hatton, old men or outsized men. Canelo is a fraud and I have no idea why he is popular as he is boring with his fighting in little spurts. Chavez is a fraud too, but he is also a pretty heavy fraud. Hopefully he does a number and ends the talk once and for all.
He's just staking claim early and don't think it's so much about "Golovkin risking injury" as it is Golovkin with massive additional press on his own terms in build up ;D. He should worry more about Chavez jr laying off the bong hits and actually showing up to win. I remember someone saying that a "cut heals one percent a day". Anyone know if that's anywhere accurate? What's the big difference between Canelo May fight and Golovkin June fight and risking a cut? It's clear Canelo and Oscar already dodged Golovkin and you have to call bullshit probable on any promoter already setting up sandbags in front of a blockbuster event. Golovkin should fight as soon as possible, he knows the risks.
I agree, and I hate Canelo. But it's funny watching people say Oscar was wrong to offer GGG more than 7 times what he got for the Jacobs fight because it's lowballing. And now they flip and Oscar is wrong for offering a percentage. I hate Oscar more than anyone short of Bob Arum but come on, career high paydays are insults? GGG needs a percentage. Oscar says they will offer a percentage and that's an insult too? Absurd. And common boxing business practices are now not allowed too? People have lost their damn minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I give credit to Canelo for fighting guys like Floyd, Lara, trout etc although he struggled he did get in the ring with these guys and no one can blame him for taking the best money fights. We would all do the same if given the same opportunity. But he should STFU with all the "We don't fuck around" bullsh*t. I can understand GGG not wanting to commit to the $15m flat fee until after both their bouts are complete. After the Canelo/ Chavez Jr fight should Alvarez emerge victorious then a serious offer and contract needs to be put up. Let GGG take on BJS. Big fights have been postponed before due to injuries so I'm sure it can happen here. Does Canelo really have to fight in September? Especially when a GGG fight could be on the line a month or 2 later due to a cut.
Jesus christ! The difference between Canelo-Chavez in May is that fight was signed, sealed and done in January. January! The Golovkin-Saunders fight doesn't have a time, date, venue, country, deal etc. Nada. Nothing. That's Oscar's whole point, he doesn't want them fucking about with that fight so close to a Canelo date. It's par for the course boxing, for gawds sake.
Now lets just try something for one second, I swear it doesn't hurt, it wont cost you anything, just a few seconds then you can revert to type. Right... take your angry feelings for Oscar and Canelo out of the equation - why do you want Golovkin to take a fight that you regard as a mismatch?
No-one gives Billy Joe a chance in hell so why care?
I thought GGG wanted to fight at home at the expo in June. Fighting Saunders with another belt on the line would fit the bill nicely.
I'm asking the fans/forum, mate. I know why Golovkin wants the Billy Joe fight, I want to know why fans are desperate to watch a fight they consider a mismatch?
Unless I've got it wrong of course, and everyone thinks Golovkin-Billy Joe is a 50-50-ish, terrific, dangerous matchup on a par with the possible Canelo contest.
Most thought the Jacobs fight was a mis-match and look how that turned out. GGG has the chance to add another title. That has been his plan for awhile. As far as I know there it's no concrete deal for the Canelo fight on the table. Who's to say Golden Boy will keep their word for a September fight?
I think secretly Golden Boy is hoping GGG fights Saunders as they already have Lemieux planned for September.
It has the potential to be a blinder. A homecoming in which GGG gets a chance to dot the i's and cross all the t's. If BJS is serious and focused, which I think he will be, he is fast and very gifted and will present new problems. Saunders biggest problem is lack of firepower but he can slip, feint and get in and out quicker and with more skill than anyone Golovkin has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Some fans want to see GGG get all the belts like he stated he wanted too. When was the last time you had someone do that and actually bring honor to the way the fight game is portrayed and do something historic? Not just using as a platform to launch their asinine persona, exploit the weight draining game, create their own weight divisions, manipulate state athletic commissions and drug testing agencies, etc and then brag about how their per fight revenue is historic. I'd rather watch someone whos underpaid, aspire to be the best than watch someone else cheat their way to an overpaid "win"
Unless there's a second cinco de mayo in September we never heard about, the timing issue is BS. Golden Boy sees how the lack of staying busy affected GGG's performance when they f*cked him around the first time. So its in their best interests to have him sit idle for over half a year before he fights cañelo who will have had his interim bout at that point. Fighters get injured in training too.. so maybe GGG shouldn't do any of that either. All of a sudden, Oscar is a marketing genius when everyone knows Schaeffer is the one who ran Golden Boy. Just waiting for oscar to choke one day, Whether its on his foot going in or the sh*t coming out of his mouth, I don't care which....
We get to see GGG stays busy in his homeland and gets paid not being ideal sitting waiting for the phone to ring from Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Let GGG take care of his own business, just like Canelo is taking care of his. Canelo thinks the Junior fight is a gimme (otherwise he wouldn't have gone up to his real weight to take it).... but..... "careful what you wish for". For the first time in, well..... ever.... I'll be rooting for Junior to take Canelo's head off.
Canelo's moves are carefully orchestrated, with DLH as the conductor.
GGG fights whomever, whenever, wherever.
I just want to see Ginger Pubes crushed... I don't really care by whom.
You people are so f'n blinded by either love for GGG or hatefor Oscar/Canelo you ignore GGGs team is breaking boxing protocol and LYING.
Cut and paste this and you will seeLoeffler denying they are looking at a BJS fight, but now he is, he's f'n LYING and putting up roadblocks but everyone loves GGG so it doesn't matter how f'n often they lie. It's Pacquiao all over again
Loeffler: NO Truth To Golovkin vs. Saunders Rumors - Boxing News
The reason he's denying it ^ is because after GGGs fight and Canelo's fight they said they wanted to sign to fight Canelo in September. Now it's about this belt, it's about a fight in his "homeland". Does anyone believe they will fight in Kazakhstan? Russia is not his homeland. These people change their stories as often as I change my socks.
It is GGGs team saying no, 15 million isn't enough. No mention of how much is enough. It is GGGs team saying no, we need a percentage. No mention of what percentage? It is GGGs team saying no, we want to fight BJS first
How about blaming the team that keeps saying no? How about blaming the team we still have no clue what they want? How about blaming the team that even if they get exactly what they want apparently still sayno because they have to do this other thing now that they have been lying about for months?
I don't even want to see the fight. I think it's a terrible matchup. GGG does tremendous damage when people stop punching. Nobody takes more time off than Canelo, and he has slow feet to boot. But it's sickening watching the people saying no no no not take any blame. The people going against all boxing business practices taking no blame. If you want a Canelo fight sign a Canelo fight and stop f'n lying!
I frankly don't get your point. What exactly is it that irks you about Golovkin? He's fought all comers at 160, and has said since the beginning he wants to unify the titles. Saunders is currently the WBO middleweight champion, so it would seem obvious that GGG would want that fight. It's not like Canelo is waiting on the sidelines for the GGG fight. He's got his own fight, in May against Chavez Jr. I'm sure he only took it because he considers it a gimme, and I only hope that Junior comes in focused for this fight. What's the uproar about Golovkin then fighting BJS in June? I'm not sure I get it. Maybe you should look at the big picture, going back to when Canelo supposedly "called out" (cough, hack) GGG. I'm calling you out for the MW title, but you gotta come to 154 to get it. Pure B.S. I'm not sure even Canelo's immediate family have respect for him anymore. But back to GGG, what is he supposedly lying about? You don't think he wants Canelo? Do you think he should bow to De La Hoya's every goddamn whim? 'Cause I don't. GGG is the true MW champion of the world... and if Canelo wants him he knows where to find him. Also, quoting an article from back in January when things are so fluid in boxing seems a bit shortsighted, if you don't mind my saying so.
Well, Oscar had only then to make an offer GGG can't refuse for september under the condition that he does postpone his fight against Billyboy later after the GGG-Canelo bout. It's not very complicated. If that doesn't happen, it's because Oscar is making excuses because he's afraid for the bread and butter of his company.
Yeah it's pretty simple really. You can't expect GGG to wait around on empty promises again. Send a signed contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
There is no good reason why GGG cannot fight again before a Canelo fight before the year is out. They could easily schedule a fight for October/November time. GGG said he wants to stay busy, he already waited 7 months to fight Jacobs, and Canelo is the one who has always acted tough but run away each time. The spoiled brat can wait his turn for the beating he deserves. :p
And like I have said, if Oscar is worried about an injury, he only has to make an offer the GGG clan can't turn off for september under the condition he doesn't fight in the meantime. You just don't ask a fighter not to fight and let him unsure as if the big fight he's looking or will happen or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Really we're talking about two guys who recently fought welterweights. Strictly showcases with the conclusion pretty much known before the bell. I can't knock a guy for wanting to at least clean the division house of anyone considered a 160 title holder. It may very well be Golovkin bluffing up his 'options' as we all know Canelo has no intention of fighting the very best at 154 and is hoping Chavez comes in half baked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I don't know what the fuck you lot are waffling about.
All I said was... if they - Oscar and Tom Loeffler (GGG's promoter) - agree to a Canelo-GGG fight then taking a fight inbetween isn't right, regardless of how easy it's perceived to be, as there's always the chance of something going wrong. And unless you believe Billy Joe makes for a good, competitive match-up then why do you even care whether it takes place or not? You all complain about mismatches (rightly/understandably) yet want GGG to have a gimme just so he has four silly, shiny belts. Big deal.
Now none of that applies to @Beanz or anyone else that thinks Billy Joe is a good match for Golovkin. And considering Billy Joe is currently rated among the best middleweights in the world, then inturn it's a good fight to make.
I was never arguing that Golovkin/Tom Loeffler put their schedule on hold whilst Oscar decides whether or not they get the carrot. Of course not.
Actually it's not as simple as that. There's only a certain number of dates available for venues and PPV TV slots. It's not a coincidence the big American PPVs are scheduled around Mexican holidays. Or why you don't see them right before or after Christmas or in the heart of the summer holidays or clashing with other major sporting events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf