What are your thoughts on Kelly Pavlik?
Retiring at 30...was it too soon?
Did you like him as a fighter?
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What are your thoughts on Kelly Pavlik?
Retiring at 30...was it too soon?
Did you like him as a fighter?
I liked him
the first taylor fight was superb and Pavlik v Miranda was a none stop merciless beating
I also liked Pavlik. I think his outside the ring antics probably contributed to his early demise and deterioration . His only losses were to 2 excellent fighters. His record is a bit lite on name victories tho.
Martinez was a good fighter but not amazing
he probly made his name off the Pavlik and maybe Williams wins, and I think Pavlik was well on the addiction slide by the time he fought Martinez
Was his alcohol problem that bad that he had to retire?
Shame as he had a big future and was tough fighter who got stronger as the fight went on.
That and his constant run ins with the law I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I wonder how he is doing now?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaThat and his constant run ins with the law I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Is he still in boxing?
Wasted talent but heard he did not make a lot of money and that what he earned was lost.
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Originally Posted by MasterI wonder how he is doing now?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaThat and his constant run ins with the law I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Is he still in boxing?
Wasted talent but heard he did not make a lot of money and that what he earned was lost.
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Kelly Pavlik headed to drug court for alcohol abuse | WKBN.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Before his life started to fall apart, I really liked him as a boxer and as a person; he was humble, working hard and delivered beautiful and exciting performances. Then, it all unraveled... Did he retire too soon? Hard to answer, but I think that it could have been more damageable to him to keep fighting while beating his body so bad with alcohol.
I think had the Ward fight taken place he would have been schooled badly again. I could see him as a gatekeeper after that.
Pavlik was the great American White Hope for awhile.
He was a terrific fighter with punching power, always a favorite with the fans... he was gutsy... he was humble and personable outside the ring, sort of the "anti-Floyd"... and he fought whoever they put in front of him, records and zeroes be damned. Hell... I was a big fan. And let's face it, American boxing fans were hungry for just someone like that.
But alas, his personal problems caught up with him... and there went his career.
What? Martinez was a machine. Noone at light middle would fight him so he made a name for himself destroying bigger guys at middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
who did he destroy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhat? Martinez was a machine. Noone at light middle would fight him so he made a name for himself destroying bigger guys at middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Williams!!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44who did he destroy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhat? Martinez was a machine. Noone at light middle would fight him so he made a name for himself destroying bigger guys at middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Strange how Marquez knocking out Pac was a lucky punch or fluke, but nothing lucky about martinez knocking out Williams.
Marquez was looking for that counter right, as PAC was coming in, all fight. I am a PAC fan, but that knockout was no fluke.
No disrespect to Pavlik, as I'm sure he was a better fighter than me, but I never thought he was truly elite.
He was heavy handed and quite exciting to watch - definitely world class for a very short period of time. However, his prime was too short and h never really dominated in the way a genuine elite boxer does.
its a shame that his out of the ring problems cut his career short, but the fact is that they did so his career ended up slightly disappointing. Sure, he beat Hopkins (but I never thought that Hopkins was the all-time great that everybody seems to think he was, and h didn't really face a host of other world class fighters.
A little bit of e can't help thinking that he got a lot more attention because he was a white American, at a time when there were comparatively few white Americans at the top of the sport.
What an idiot ..... of course, Pavlik beat Taylor not Hopkins!!!
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I was hoping you would have edited it and no one would have noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
It was a bad move and mis-calculation by his team to move up and face Hopkins. I thought from the beginning that Hopkins' style was all wrong for him.
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Originally Posted by MasterI was hoping you would have edited it and no one would have noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Very bad move and Pavlik apparently had the flu before the fight too. Wasn't himself that night at all and losing that changed him for the worse psychologically. He never really recovered or looked as good as he had before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I heard a rumor that Pavlik may be considering a return to the ring.
He wouldn’t be relevant at this point. Too old and too many years away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
He was on Joe Rogans podcast a while ago and talked about possibly fighting again. Seemed like a pretty solid and grounded guy, he’s packed on a tonne of muscle. Sounded more like he was considering just having another fight, as opposed to making a comeback, and he was forthright about the risk and being unsure. His problems outside of the ring were likely way overblown and wouldn’t be worth mentioning if he wasn’t a famous guy.
I thought Pavlik had severe enough drinking issues that he could not box at the highest level.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Maybe he did, but they don’t have to be very severe by anyone else’s standards. I haven’t been able to box at the highest level for years:D
I agree, but it seems an all too familiar pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherHe wouldn’t be relevant at this point. Too old and too many years away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
He chose the booze. He still looks boozy, no matter what he says. He did an interview with Joe Rogan a short while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSULVbmg_ok&t=242s
historically white Americans do not exist in this sportQuote:
Originally Posted by X
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Interest any?
Hell no. Cant think of anyone notable I would be interested in seeing Pavlik fight at cruiser really. I assumed he may have a kind of farewell fight at home, and the opponent wouldnt really matter.
That sounds a bit steep. A journeyman fight to see where he is fine, but CW against a good fighter. Far too risky IMO.