Chris Byrd ***insults*** Riddick Bowe to his face, says he FOUGHT ALL WRONG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaUT...0&spfreload=10

That was interesting and true what Byrd said that Bowe should have beaten Holyfield easier than he did with all the advantages that he had. Also implying that he should have been champion for longer.

Also interesting that both said Herbie Hide hit them the hardest.

yes indeed, he fought down to Evander's size, but Bowe for a huge guy was an awesome infighter and I think he got the better of Holyfield, but he gave Holy too many shots.

Funny Bowe was complaining about the dirty attacks Holyfield used against him but I remember Bowe punching low in the first fight.

Chris Byrd is correct sir! And you can tell by listening to him speak vs listening to Bowe speak. Now Chris got tagged a lot but not like Bowe, to tag Chris Byrd you had to catch him, to tag Bowe you just had to throw a punch he wasn't going to let you miss him.



As Teddy Atlas says "He'd get his feelings hurt if you missed him with a punch"



Riddick Bowe had all the tools to be everything people wanted him to be, I think he could have ruled the division a lot longer and he could have ended Evander's career entirely in 2 fights had he fought properly.



Exciting bouts shorten careers that's the plain simple truth of the matter.

Evander Holyfield was ever fighters bogeyman he just would not go away and gave Bowe, Moorer, Tyson and Lennox hell of a fight.

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Evander Holyfield was ever fighters bogeyman he just would not go away and gave Bowe, Moorer, Tyson and Lennox hell of a fight.

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Oh he's a long night for anyone! Evander could box, he could stick and move, he could go toe to toe, he could land bombs, everything in boxing Evander could do.


I often wonder how Evander Holyfield vs Ike Ibeabuchi would have gone down.....I certainly know Evander would not lose that fight, I'm just wondering if he would have KO'd Ike.

Chris Byrd vs Michael Dokes or Michael Moorer would have been wonderful fights prime for prime

Byrd telling it like it is. Bowe could have made the fight easier for himself but Holyfield was always a taxing fight.

Good stuff there. Like seeing two recent top dogs talk shop. Have to feel for Bowe a bit there. Do wonder if some of his problem was always trying to be everything to everybody immediately off the title win and honestly his career misfires went beyond what style he fought on any given night. Refrigerators in the bedroom didn't help. For years I always heard and believe it was Holyfield who went off the tracks and got sucked into trying to out muscle and brawl inside with Bowe. Right around mid point of the 2nd after Bowe clocked him right below the belt, up until that point Holyfield was ripping combos landing lead rights and even out jabbing him. Bowe was a solid inside fighter when it came to heavyweights and he sapped Holyfield badly with that and physical advantage. You could always attach a jab to Holyfields forehead but Bowes long right hand and taller approach was always going to be met with Holyfields counter speed and combination punching. If you ask me Holyfield screwed himself badly and Bowe used a strong suit and had his top career night there. It's never a fighters option to have "if only I woulda" when there is someone in the other corner the likes of which Bowe had never come close to facing. You don't arguably get out boxed by Tony Tubbs and face the likes of Bigfoot Martin and Coetzer in lead up and then not also look for and benefit on Holyfield being as thick as a tree stump when it came to sticking to a game plan himself.

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Chris Byrd vs Michael Dokes or Michael Moorer would have been wonderful fights prime for prime

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First time thinking about Moorer and Byrd and interesting. Like the similarities with "smaller" guys evolving careers to be top heavyweights though Moorer was an absolute beast at lt hvy. Definitely seemed to lose some of that mindset after. Both had fantastic hands and quality jabs. Always tempted to pick against Moorer because of his chin but he might actually surprise Byrd with true power in Moorers fast jab and catch up to him. Be a fun one for sure.

bowe vs 1973 foreman............ @Master @Spicoli

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bowe vs 1973 foreman............ @Master @Spicoli

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Tough one but may go for Bowe if he stayed disciplined.

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bowe vs 1973 foreman............ @Master @Spicoli

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Tough one but may go for Bowe if he stayed disciplined.

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Agreed, but.......Bowe would have to be at his best and Big George at his worst. No way is Bowe putting his head down on Foreman's chest nestled in like he did with Holyfield or its GOOD FUCKING NIGHT, IRENE!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0UEuWza3o

If you watch from 15:47 very closely - did Klitschko knock Hide out and make him go stiff from the jab alone? Can't work out if it's just me that doesn't see a second punch.

Big power if so even if he was stunned a bit - random I know it's just the Hide comment earlier that made me think

I am reading Hide's book now, Herbie did have a weak chin.

hide was a great fighter, there was never any game plan, knock them out or get knocked out trying

and he threw loads of punches, has there ever been a HW that has thrown as many in a fight

im not sure he did have a weak chin, I just don't think he was that bothered about protecting it, always trying to land his punches first

Hide may have had greater success as a Cruiserweight. He had big power but it was also his vulnerability. He would over commit with his right. If it didn't land or his opponent could take it he was in trouble.

Hide's book is pretty good read, he said himself he was too small at the weight but manager and promoter wanted him to fight at the weight to make the most money. He made over $3miilion against Bowe and $250,000 for every defence Bowe made after he beat him. :)

how 250k after every Bowe defense?

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how 250k after every Bowe defense?

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Officially he only made 1 defence against Gonzales, after that he beat Holyfield at al but not for the WBO title.

He should have been able to hold the Cruiserweight title for five years with his quickness and Hard Punch

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Evander Holyfield was ever fighters bogeyman he just would not go away and gave Bowe, Moorer, Tyson and Lennox hell of a fight.

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I often wonder how Evander Holyfield vs Ike Ibeabuchi would have gone down.....I certainly know Evander would not lose that fight, I'm just wondering if he would have KO'd Ike.

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El Presidente with the workrate and chin he showed against Tuaman would have kept Holyfield on the outside

Bowe sounds like he has two brain cells left and one of them is sick.

Why, as an English teacher, do you say ***insults*** and the like?

You know exactly what you are doing Brock. Pure hyperbolic bollocks and you know it.

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Why, as an English teacher, do you say ***insults*** and the like?

You know exactly what you are doing Brock. Pure hyperbolic bollocks and you know it.

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If you could explain what three asterisks before and after a verb does in terms of English grammar I would be more than happy to know. Furthermore if you could try to explain the logic behind what you are implying it would also be good to know. Lastly, what are asterisks serving in your interpretation of the English language?