I don't think so given the fact that he wanted to save his eye, but many posters on other sites are saying h is a quitter." :o:o:o:o
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I don't think so given the fact that he wanted to save his eye, but many posters on other sites are saying h is a quitter." :o:o:o:o
Nonsense, he was throwing bombs still in the 10th. He was just done.
I think it's more offensive what an insufferable excuse making douchebag Ingle is being. Saying Porter was a harder fight, f'n nonsense. Saying making weight has taken it out of Kell, well that's not what he said before the fight. Saying the bodyshots weren't bothering Kell. We could literally see him coming off his front foot trying to lessen them. To say without the eye injury they win. How the hell could they know that when they can't even decide when it happened? I've yet to hear Kell or Ingle say the right round.
Spence started really doing major damage in the 6th. As much as he wants to make excuse after excuse any objective observer could see Spence took control before the injury. And beyond that, Spence caused the f'n injury!
Yes he did quit, no he's not a "quitter." There was a fully valid justified reason for quitting, he didn't want to lose an eye. He already has titanium holding his right eye together, to then have his "good" eye busted was clearly an horrific mental dilemma for him.
When the injury blew up he didn't just dive on the floor, or stay on his stool, he fought until the choice between his eye sight and winning a sporting contest became no choice at all.
All the walking braindead lowlifes calling him a dog, pussy, disgrace etc aren't worth the time of day. Nothing but nasty two-bob cunts.
Every fighter has a quit in them and the threshold for Brook is very high.
Brook gave it his all, particularly the 10th round but Spence is an exceptional fighter and the better man won.
Ron, I do not know what Ingle said but Kell said Spence is the best he has met (at welterweight) that says it all.
I did say the one thing I didn't want to hear from the Brook camp if he lost was anything about the weight. I'm seriously pissed off about Ingle's comments. I reckon him saying "Porter was a tougher fight" is just a case of bitterness in the immediate aftermath. Hopefully he'll look back and realise what a stupid comment that was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
As for the Eye injury, I do think that's when things turned , more mentally for Brook than a physical thing.
But to say "if he never got the eye injury..........." Is completely ridiculous. HE DID get the injury and it was with a punch, that is what Boxing is all about ffs.
Spence deserves a lot of praise for Saturday night. I think Ingle will look back over the next few days at these comments and realise how stupid they sound. Hopefully he'll feel a bit embarrassed.
Kell handled the loss with dignity and forget what Ingle has said.
Are you Scott Gilfoid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Ingle didn't say anything disrespectful or outlandish, he was answering questions immediately after the fight.
When asked about the bodyshots Ingle said Kell told him the body shots didn't bother him. Do you want him to lie?
When asked if Spence was the best welterweight Ingle said he's up there with Thurman among the best in the division. What's wrong with that? How is that not respect? Ingle said he's not on Mayweather's type level (superstar). How is that disrespectful?
Ingle said the eye damage was the big turning point, until then he felt Kell was a couple of rounds up. How is that disrespectful? Shock! Horror! Trainer feels his fighter was winning a close fight.
The Porter fight was more physically taxing, he believes the eye injury was the main factor in Spence getting on top. Shock! Horror! Trainer feels his fighter suffered an unlucky disadvantage.
They're hardly comments to get upset over for gawds sake. His fighter wasn't whitewashed, he lost a very competitive fight. He'd be a right shit trainer if he DIDN'T think a tweak here and there could have been the difference.
Yes you've got it. I felt it was the bodyshots more than the eye, but boy it took A LOT of punishment and of course the eye was bad too, before Brook had enough. One single body shot from Spence would make most keyboard warriors "quit".Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fenster backs the U.K. guy no matter how many excuses he made, anyone surprised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Kell was honorable. Ingle was despicable, but go ahead and excuse it. You and Ingle seem to think excuses are fine.
Ha ha, just seen the hordes of armchair warriors on the BBC website saying how they think he is a quitter.
I doubt any one of them has had an orbital bone broken, lost their vision and then fought past exhaustion against a brilliant fighter who wants to take your head off.
After Victor Ortiz broke his jaw he seemed to like taking a few early exits.
No, he is not a quitter.
He might have been permanently blinded in that eye if the fight had continued.
You cannot take comments by those who have never sponged a punch serious. They have zero validity. He's always conducted himself as a professional and deserves nothing but high praise for working himself back to proper weight and meeting his mandatory. Spence was not a quitter, what he was was a beaten fighter who frankly was taking more damage than just the eye. By far it was the major significant damage, but there is a whiff out there like Spence just got a few lucky punches in or something.
I wonder if the latest eye injury was in anyway helped along because he has a titanium plate in his right eye socket?
Obviously im no doctor but mayne that itself puts a lot of pressure and stress on the other eye socket, then 11 rounds of having it caved in non stop on top.
Seems crazy he has had the exact same injury in 2 back to back fights.
This is the question I asked in the other thread, I can't think of any type of underlying problem that would cause you to have weak eye sockets (sounds stupid even writing it) but to suffer 2 fractures of the same nature in 2 successive fights just seems bizarre to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Not to be flip but it surely did him no favors going from one of the biggest punchers in one division to another at 147. No telling if he had an underlying problem all together that went undetected in the first place. For any fighter it has to be in the back of their mind though. Maybe on a much lesser scale it could be like trying to adjust after a bad cut, broken jaw fighting to defend the area. All injuries have to cause compensation in one way or another. Not sure if Paulie had a plate put in after Cotto broke his orbital but remember him talking about 'feeling it in his teeth' ???Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
That's sort of what im thinking..
If the strength of the titanium plate somehow forced or concentrated the stress and impact of Spences punches over to the other side of Brooks face?
The odds of that injury happening twice must be massive and I've never known it happen before?
Strange
Than I am not sure how long they have been using Titanium rebuilds, particularly for an active boxer. Maybe if they do the other one he becomes like Robobrook and f**ks the other guys hand up :-X;DQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I have no idea if that's how it works to be honest but it would seemingly do little to lessen or redirect the concussive impact of a punch? I don't think Abraham started having reoccurring breaks on the other side of his face or Barrera with a titanium plate in his skull after brain surgery post Junior Jones rematch.
Someone needs to clump the phantom of the opera to get to the bottom of this
Brook in his last two fights showed how tough he was. He can take a punch, get hurt, then keep on throwing. He is tough but isn't stupid. I've seen way too many of these tough fighters that are just dumb.
When you are getting beat badly and taking a ton of punishment, you don't owe anybody anything by continuing to take punishment just to prove that you won't get KO'd. Brook had lost. He knew that he really didn't have enough to win the fight at that point and it wasn't worth permanently damaging his eye.
;D You now have me thinking of Richard from Boardwalk Empire as random as that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
When Vicktor Postol stopped the Argentinian Machine, no one complained
about quitting. Same with Collazo against Thurman. Tor Hammer is a quitter.
Brook did not quit in the sense that he did not want to fight any more, He
“quit” because Spence had beaten him into submission by closing an eye that had
already suffered severe damage against GGG. that’s not quitting; that’s just
being smart and trying to save your eyesight.
Cotto surrendered against Margo by taking a knee. No one called him a
quitter. Let’s define “quitter” in the context of boxing and not in the context
of what the dictionary says.
Been away a couple of days and just saw the fight. I'm amazed at how quickly people jump in with the "quitter" label. Brook has proven to be a warrior, and to call someone like that a "quitter" is ignorant. It's the "Roman gladiator" mentality of some. To hell with the guy's health... he took a knee because his eye was damaged and couldn't see... but he's a "quitter" anyway. What B.S.
He did quit, but it is very understandable. What I cannot understand is a) why Brook fought Golovkin 2 weights more than his regular weight and b) why he then fought such a dangerous fighter immediately after having his eye bashed in like that? I think these have been 2 very poor decisions that have likely shortened his career. I just scratch my head trying to make sense of it.
Than I am not sure how long they have been using Titanium rebuilds, particularly for an active boxer. Maybe if they do the other one he becomes like Robobrook and f**ks the other guys hand up :-X;D
Ricky Burns needed Titanium for his jaw after the Beltran fight
Looking at who's he's fought in recent years and the bouts of inactivity. These might be the clue as to why he went for these big fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Armchair Rocky fans :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I cant understand it eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
do you think it would have happened if brook was with a different promoter? warren maybe?
Spence and the sanctioning body would not have allowed Brook to make a voluntary defence. There was no other easy option and another promoter would not have made any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I cant understand it eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
do you think it would have happened if brook was with a different promoter? warren maybe?
what about the GGG fight, think that would have happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSpence and the sanctioning body would not have allowed Brook to make a voluntary defence. There was no other easy option and another promoter would not have made any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I cant understand it eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
do you think it would have happened if brook was with a different promoter? warren maybe?
do you think warren would have had him drop 2 weight divisions after that?
Brook was with Warren for years before most of you had apparently ever heard of him. Warren got rid of him, publicly stating he'd never be a champion (Brook dumped him for Eddie).
So no he wouldn't have fought Golovkin as he'd still be in leisure centres defending an international title.
Warren binned Brook because of his drug taking and constantly getting himself in trouble in his personal life, i know this because Brook trains at my brothers mates gym in Fuerterventura over in the Canary Islands. ;)
Brooks a good fighter don't get me wrong but as his career stands at age 31 he has only beaten 2 fighters i consider good which is Jones and Porter.
Add to that 2 massive facial injuries and 2 back to back beatings and you have to wonder if Brook is done now.
Has Hearn really had Brooks best interests at heart or has he cashed in while he could?
Kell Brook could have been a somebody (or at least bigger than he is)...not sure why he didn't get the bigger fights earlier in his career. I reckon smashie is right and he hurt his own career. That said he hasn't cheated the fans out of anything in his fights. I think he just bit off way too much fighting GGG and obviously a beating like that stays with you for the long haul.
If you get an eye, cheek, or jaw injury and your defense never improves then odds are it'll happen again and again and again.
He never should have fought GGG. I know he pressed hard for a fight vs Khan and maybe that still happens, but damn, that GGG fight put some age on him.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
It's no secret at all that the majority of his "ring absence" was down to his constant fuck ups in his personal life, anyone who chooses to believe he had constant and genuine "sporting" injuries is free to do so, there's A LOT i could tell you about Brook and also a very good reason someone tried to cut his leg off with a Machete ;)
I'm not knocking him at all as a fighter but merely stating his record as it stands peaks at a close victory over Porter which many journalists thought he lost.
He's not going down on the History books is he ffs and he will fight Khan simply because it'll kill him knowing that the names on Khans win list currently eclipse his :)
Khan - Collazo, Judah, Barrera, Mallignaggi, Algieri, Alexander, Maidana........
Brook - Porter
Smash, I don't think you'll get in trouble for telling stories about Brook mate, they're not secrets, it's printed all over the shop, all over podcasts, twitter, forums.
Brook got his leg cunt off cos he's a bender.
Brook is a snorting machine.
Those strories have been banded about for years, it's certainly not made him or his team shy.
To be fair to Warren Brook turned down several big fights Warren offered him including a world title shot. Can't remember who it was going to be against. Brook was off the rails when he was with Warren and maybe only got with the programme a bit when he signed with Hearn. The last year or so with Warren was when Frank was without TV dates so Brook had a good reason for leaving but he had plenty chances previous to that and never took them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster