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Rigo fooled Lomas people into saying his name
So here we have 2 of the greatest amateur fighters of all time barely separated in weight and pro champions. A fight for the ages that has to happen right?
Well, one side has been avoiding it moving away away away without commenting on a potential fight.
So Rigo says let's do it at 124, they lowball him. Rigo says let's do it at 126, obviously an uncomfortable weight for the little guy, he just wants a fair offer. Crickets, he says he'll go to 127 or 128 if he gets a fair offer.
And this is where Lomas side f'd up. They thought they saw a tiny man that knew he couldn't go higher so they started talking. Saying Rigo doesn't really want the fight, if he did they could do it at 130. But that's where they stepped in it because Rigo says fine.
That's right, this 118 pound fighter is willing to go to 130. Fans, please don't allow more excuses. These are 2 all timers. We deserve to see this. We may never get another chance like this. Demand it!
(And yes I know Rigo is 122 champ but let's be real he's tiny at 122)
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Rigo is extremely quick and a talented pure boxer. However, he's stunk it up a lot lately and is coming off a pretty dirty move and lame no contest. Doubt people are clamoring to see him box anyone. I'd say 130 and Lomachenko are too much for him anyway. Was thrilled a few years back when he boxed donaires ears off, but he's not been easy to root for since.
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I'm a big fan of Rigo, and I would like to see the fight with Loma made, but I think the size difference is just too much (agree Rigo is tiny at 122). If they were the same size it would be great, although only die hard fans or those who appreciate the nuances/little things would enjoy it. Unfortunately, Loma has more money to make against Salido, Linares, Garcia...etc.
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Rigo just doesn't draw most people. That includes boxing fans. I generally love watching great fighters work their craft even if others think it's boring. Rigo is generally boring to me though. With that said, I would love a Rigo vs Loma match up.
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For a geezer that can't speak a lick of English Rigo sure speaks it well on twitter. Where's all this Loma ducking him, lowballing, crickets stuff? Loma's manager accepted the challenge at 130, said speak to Top Rank, Arum is their promoter.
As a fan i'd like to see it, even though Loma is too big, but it's not gonna happen as neither can sell shit in the States and Loma certainly has better options. He'd be in a no-win situation against Rigo.
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Rigo is extremely quick and a talented pure boxer. However, he's stunk it up a lot lately and is coming off a pretty dirty move and lame no contest. Doubt people are clamoring to see him box anyone. I'd say 130 and Lomachenko are too much for him anyway. Was thrilled a few years back when he boxed donaires ears off, but he's not been easy to root for since.
Rigo did not deliberately punch after the bell, it was in the heat of the moment. The opponent definitely milked the punch.
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Rigo is extremely quick and a talented pure boxer. However, he's stunk it up a lot lately and is coming off a pretty dirty move and lame no contest. Doubt people are clamoring to see him box anyone. I'd say 130 and Lomachenko are too much for him anyway. Was thrilled a few years back when he boxed donaires ears off, but he's not been easy to root for since.
Rigo did not deliberately punch after the bell, it was in the heat of the moment. The opponent definitely milked the punch.
Whether it was deliberate or not is by the by.
The only result it shouldn't have been is a KO!
No Contest - fine DQ - maybe harsh, but possible.
Don't really know why Rigo is not more popular as I think he's fucking brilliant, Loma too.
Just goes to show what boxing is all about when these top 2 fighters can't make decent money, yet Bellew and Floyd v MacGregor are box office smashes!!
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I'm a big fan of Rigo, and I would like to see the fight with Loma made, but I think the size difference is just too much (agree Rigo is tiny at 122). If they were the same size it would be great, although only die hard fans or those who appreciate the nuances/little things would enjoy it. Unfortunately, Loma has more money to make against Salido, Linares, Garcia...etc.
He isn't scheduled to fight any of those guys. They're trying to force Salido to fight before he is ready so Salido is looking at other opponents. Loma has a date and no opponent. People keep talking about numbers but this isn't PPV. This is an HBO date around 6 weeks away with no opponent. Here is a willing opponent, a legend at that
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Seems like Rigo's team are the ones having their bluff called tbh
"Egis Klimas does not fight in the ring, Egis Klimas is not making a fight, Egis Klimas has promoters who are making a fight. Rigondeaux and his team knows Top Rank's number. If Top Rank will come to me and say Rigondeaux is ready to fight then I will approve that fight together with Lomachenko."
The highly regarded Ukrainian is scheduled to fight in August but is looking for a suitable opponent.
"If they're going to come, Top Rank, and they're going to say,'they want to fight' and make a deal with Top Rank, Top Rank will come back to us and we will approve the fight. I don't have any problems," said Klimas, who reiterated - "I don't go and fight and train, I don't make the fight That's what we have promoters for but if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy.
"If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."
http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenk...ndeaux--117909
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Rigo is extremely quick and a talented pure boxer. However, he's stunk it up a lot lately and is coming off a pretty dirty move and lame no contest. Doubt people are clamoring to see him box anyone. I'd say 130 and Lomachenko are too much for him anyway. Was thrilled a few years back when he boxed donaires ears off, but he's not been easy to root for since.
Rigo did not deliberately punch after the bell, it was in the heat of the moment. The opponent definitely milked the punch.
Rigo knew what he was doing.
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Rigo is extremely quick and a talented pure boxer. However, he's stunk it up a lot lately and is coming off a pretty dirty move and lame no contest. Doubt people are clamoring to see him box anyone. I'd say 130 and Lomachenko are too much for him anyway. Was thrilled a few years back when he boxed donaires ears off, but he's not been easy to root for since.
Rigo did not deliberately punch after the bell, it was in the heat of the moment. The opponent definitely milked the punch.
Rigo knew what he was doing.
You are very cynical and that cynicism should be aimed at the overacting Flores showed.
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Seems like Rigo's team are the ones having their bluff called tbh
"Egis Klimas does not fight in the ring, Egis Klimas is not making a fight, Egis Klimas has promoters who are making a fight. Rigondeaux and his team knows Top Rank's number. If Top Rank will come to me and say Rigondeaux is ready to fight then I will approve that fight together with Lomachenko."
The highly regarded Ukrainian is scheduled to fight in August but is looking for a suitable opponent.
"If they're going to come, Top Rank, and they're going to say,'they want to fight' and make a deal with Top Rank, Top Rank will come back to us and we will approve the fight. I don't have any problems," said Klimas, who reiterated - "I don't go and fight and train, I don't make the fight That's what we have promoters for but if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy.
"If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."
http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenk...ndeaux--117909
Call Top Rank, call Top Rank. We know Bob wants no part of Rigo. Interesting that now Klimas doesn't make fights. A couple days ago Klimas said come to 130 and they can do it. Rigo said yes and now Klimas has no choice in the matter. Dude straight up changed his story and you want to believe both stories that contradict each other. Rigo's story has always been "let's fight"
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Beanz
Seems like Rigo's team are the ones having their bluff called tbh
"Egis Klimas does not fight in the ring, Egis Klimas is not making a fight, Egis Klimas has promoters who are making a fight. Rigondeaux and his team knows Top Rank's number. If Top Rank will come to me and say Rigondeaux is ready to fight then I will approve that fight together with Lomachenko."
The highly regarded Ukrainian is scheduled to fight in August but is looking for a suitable opponent.
"If they're going to come, Top Rank, and they're going to say,'they want to fight' and make a deal with Top Rank, Top Rank will come back to us and we will approve the fight. I don't have any problems," said Klimas, who reiterated - "I don't go and fight and train, I don't make the fight That's what we have promoters for but if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy.
"If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."
http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenk...ndeaux--117909
Call Top Rank, call Top Rank. We know Bob wants no part of Rigo. Interesting that now Klimas doesn't make fights. A couple days ago Klimas said come to 130 and they can do it. Rigo said yes and now Klimas has no choice in the matter. Dude straight up changed his story and you want to believe both stories that contradict each other. Rigo's story has always been "let's fight"
Bob is Bob nobody believes anything he says. I am sure both fighters would get in a ring tomorrow, the rest is just show business and politics. All this posturing is just that, for percentages, leverage, publicity etc. From both sides
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Beanz
Seems like Rigo's team are the ones having their bluff called tbh
"Egis Klimas does not fight in the ring, Egis Klimas is not making a fight, Egis Klimas has promoters who are making a fight. Rigondeaux and his team knows Top Rank's number. If Top Rank will come to me and say Rigondeaux is ready to fight then I will approve that fight together with Lomachenko."
The highly regarded Ukrainian is scheduled to fight in August but is looking for a suitable opponent.
"If they're going to come, Top Rank, and they're going to say,'they want to fight' and make a deal with Top Rank, Top Rank will come back to us and we will approve the fight. I don't have any problems," said Klimas, who reiterated - "I don't go and fight and train, I don't make the fight That's what we have promoters for but if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy.
"If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."
http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenk...ndeaux--117909
Call Top Rank, call Top Rank. We know Bob wants no part of Rigo. Interesting that now Klimas doesn't make fights. A couple days ago Klimas said come to 130 and they can do it. Rigo said yes and now Klimas has no choice in the matter. Dude straight up changed his story and you want to believe both stories that contradict each other. Rigo's story has always been "let's fight"
Bob is Bob nobody believes anything he says. I am sure both fighters would get in a ring tomorrow, the rest is just show business and politics. All this posturing is just that, for percentages, leverage, publicity etc. From both sides
Not just posturing. Rigo's side wants the fight. In the end fighters are responsible if their team protects them. It's their career. Loma is my 2nd favorite fighter but he needs to fight guys that are on his level and there aren't many to choose from at that level. One is ready to go, on short notice.
People shouldn't be glossing over the fact Loma's team is trying to force people into short camp fights either. Rigo is one of the few that it wouldn't be an issue because he just fought and it was only one round.
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Seems like Rigo's team are the ones having their bluff called tbh
"Egis Klimas does not fight in the ring, Egis Klimas is not making a fight, Egis Klimas has promoters who are making a fight. Rigondeaux and his team knows Top Rank's number. If Top Rank will come to me and say Rigondeaux is ready to fight then I will approve that fight together with Lomachenko."The highly regarded Ukrainian is scheduled to fight in August but is looking for a suitable opponent.
"If they're going to come, Top Rank, and they're going to say,'they want to fight' and make a deal with Top Rank, Top Rank will come back to us and we will approve the fight. I don't have any problems," said Klimas, who reiterated - "I don't go and fight and train, I don't make the fight That's what we have promoters for but if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy."If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenk...ndeaux--117909
Call Top Rank, call Top Rank. We know Bob wants no part of Rigo. Interesting that now Klimas doesn't make fights. A couple days ago Klimas said come to 130 and they can do it. Rigo said yes and now Klimas has no choice in the matter. Dude straight up changed his story and you want to believe both stories that contradict each other. Rigo's story has always been "let's fight"
Bob is Bob nobody believes anything he says. I am sure both fighters would get in a ring tomorrow, the rest is just show business and politics. All this posturing is just that, for percentages, leverage, publicity etc. From both sides
Not just posturing. Rigo's side wants the fight. In the end fighters are responsible if their team protects them. It's their career. Loma is my 2nd favorite fighter but he needs to fight guys that are on his level and there aren't many to choose from at that level. One is ready to go, on short notice. People shouldn't be glossing over the fact Loma's team is trying to force people into short camp fights either. Rigo is one of the few that it wouldn't be an issue because he just fought and it was only one round.
Let's hope they make it happen then.
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Rigo is extremely quick and a talented pure boxer. However, he's stunk it up a lot lately and is coming off a pretty dirty move and lame no contest. Doubt people are clamoring to see him box anyone. I'd say 130 and Lomachenko are too much for him anyway. Was thrilled a few years back when he boxed donaires ears off, but he's not been easy to root for since.
Rigo did not deliberately punch after the bell, it was in the heat of the moment. The opponent definitely milked the punch.
Rigo knew what he was doing.
You are very cynical and that cynicism should be aimed at the overacting Flores showed.
Oh yes he def milked it and flopped. It is why I said in another thread that I thought a no contest was the right calm instead of a DQ.
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Rigo blew a great opportunity to have a stage and make a case by losing his cool and getting wrapped up in "make it up as we go-gate" with Flores mess. Now we know it was a matter of time and levels clear in a round but I'd like him to clean that up. He knows he needs Loma more than roles reversed.
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Beanz
Seems like Rigo's team are the ones having their bluff called tbh
"Egis Klimas does not fight in the ring, Egis Klimas is not making a fight, Egis Klimas has promoters who are making a fight. Rigondeaux and his team knows Top Rank's number. If Top Rank will come to me and say Rigondeaux is ready to fight then I will approve that fight together with Lomachenko."
The highly regarded Ukrainian is scheduled to fight in August but is looking for a suitable opponent.
"If they're going to come, Top Rank, and they're going to say,'they want to fight' and make a deal with Top Rank, Top Rank will come back to us and we will approve the fight. I don't have any problems," said Klimas, who reiterated - "I don't go and fight and train, I don't make the fight That's what we have promoters for but if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy.
"If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."
http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenk...ndeaux--117909
Call Top Rank, call Top Rank. We know Bob wants no part of Rigo. Interesting that now Klimas doesn't make fights. A couple days ago Klimas said come to 130 and they can do it. Rigo said yes and now Klimas has no choice in the matter. Dude straight up changed his story and you want to believe both stories that contradict each other. Rigo's story has always been "let's fight"
Did you even read the article Beanz posted? Klimas accepted the fight. How can he make it any clearer than say "I don't have any problems, if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy, If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."
And if you know "Bob wont have anything to do with Rigo" why bring it up in the first place?
So you knew the fight was impossible to make - as Arum is Loma's promoter - yet for some bizarre reason you're claiming Loma is ducking Rigo even though his manager is on record saying he gives it the green light.
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Beanz
Seems like Rigo's team are the ones having their bluff called tbh
"Egis Klimas does not fight in the ring, Egis Klimas is not making a fight, Egis Klimas has promoters who are making a fight. Rigondeaux and his team knows Top Rank's number. If Top Rank will come to me and say Rigondeaux is ready to fight then I will approve that fight together with Lomachenko."
The highly regarded Ukrainian is scheduled to fight in August but is looking for a suitable opponent.
"If they're going to come, Top Rank, and they're going to say,'they want to fight' and make a deal with Top Rank, Top Rank will come back to us and we will approve the fight. I don't have any problems," said Klimas, who reiterated - "I don't go and fight and train, I don't make the fight That's what we have promoters for but if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy.
"If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."
http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenk...ndeaux--117909
Call Top Rank, call Top Rank. We know Bob wants no part of Rigo. Interesting that now Klimas doesn't make fights. A couple days ago Klimas said come to 130 and they can do it. Rigo said yes and now Klimas has no choice in the matter. Dude straight up changed his story and you want to believe both stories that contradict each other. Rigo's story has always been "let's fight"
Did you even read the article Beanz posted? Klimas accepted the fight. How can he make it any clearer than say
"I don't have any problems, if they want to come in and fight at 130 - we have no problem. We will be very happy, If they make the August date, we're very happy to fight Rigondeaux."
And if you know "Bob wont have anything to do with Rigo" why bring it up in the first place?
So you knew the fight was impossible to make - as Arum is Loma's promoter - yet for some bizarre reason you're claiming Loma is ducking Rigo even though his manager is on record saying he gives it the green light.
You have a reading comprehension issue. I am not claiming Loma is ducking. I'm saying Lomas people are keeping him away from Rigo. Klimas said "come to 130 and we'll do it". Now he says contact Top Rank and they'll contact us. You see how once all his demands were met and he had no more room to change his story he changed his story. We have no problem with the fight is not even remotely the same as "okay, let's fight" and you know it. If they say okay, let's fight then it all falls on Bob. They have Loma confirmed as wanting the fight and Rigo confirmed as wanting the fight. Bob looks stupid if he doesn't make the fight so he makes the fight.
But, contact Top Rank and they'll contact us just opens new doors to get out of. Last negotiations Rigo said 124, they said no 126, Rigo said 126 with hydration clause, they said no, Rigo said okay 126 but I want to get paid, they said no. At that point Top Rank stopped all communications. Top Rank hasn't spoken with them since. Contact Top Rank and they'll contact us is "leave us alone"
Two days, Loma has Twitter, why hasn't he said he wants the fight? Why didn't Klimas say they want the fight? The answer is simple, they don't want the fight.
I don't think Loma has any problem with the fight but it's clear his people do and denying it only allows Top Rank to pick and choose.
Keep track, anyone that sees any person from that side say they want the fight let me know. I'll be glad to read it or watch it. But I won't be holding my breath
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Let me make this more clear. Bob doesn't want the fight. We know this.
So the only way to the fight is if everyone else says they do. Even then it might not happen but it's the only possibility
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Could be just me, but it sounds like Rigo is echoing the same Roc Nation rhetoric. They want everything handed to them and they want to get paid x amount, be in control of etc in the modern mayweather model of promotion and don't realize that Arum is not about to be bullied like Duva was. Klimas has a ringside seat to the Roc nation f*ckery with the ward/Kov rematch and i don't think he wants to be involved with them again anytime soon, Duva said as much before that fight about doing business with them again.
Ol' bob isn't gonna bend over for them, especially while he's probably looking to migrate his fighters to a free tv format. First Pac on espn and HBO is looking to shave their boxing budget supposedly... so Then maybe later Crawford and Loma. If Rigo was an in house fighter, i doubt there would be much trouble making this match, just like the walters match... just my two....
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Klimas is the one who f'd Kovalev. Seriously, people don't know who to blame.
Klimas f's Kovalev and now he lies to Loma and Rigo and it's Roc Nations fault? This is madness. We know Klimas lied about this because we watched him.
And Loma is following their lead. Refusing to simply say "I want the fight"
https://mobile.twitter.com/VasylLoma...5473180674?p=v
But Rigo the bully comes with the quickness, of course no response back to him.
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And how the f is the guy that gave into all the demands being accused of making it his way? Is he asking for 122? Is he asking for 124? Is he asking 126, is he asking 128? Or is he saying he will go up 2 entire divisions to meet the other teams demands? That's right, he's the one agreeing, not demanding so stop twisting.
And for that matter. Fans think Lomas side made a fair offer last time. Then why did they lie about what they offered? Loma publically agreed to 1 million
https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/8/1...ght-on-twitter
But the bid had far more than 1.5 million, especially when you consider HBO AND gate! So why did they only offer 500k? That's not what was agreed. This stuff is rather simple. If you can see people lying you stop believing them.
I like Loma more than Rigo too but you have to sit there with your fingers in your ears and your eyes closed to not see which side is lying.
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The Sh*t talking on twitter from whoever is typing Rigo's Tweets and Whoever might be typing Lomas tweets (maybe that's loma, but more like Klimas) don't even mention a number. Its promo bantering to see to get people worked up and clamoring for it . The Tweets from that article are from 2 years ago (where rigo couldn't draw flies to crap and he and Klitchsko were exiled from hbo for having a boring style). The numbers are obviously going to be different at this point. I actually like that Rigo attempted to fight a more crowd pleasing style after that but i don't know if much has changed for Rigo draw wise. It doesn't matter to me as different fighters will appeal to different fans. It just seems historically typical of rock nation fighters to call out big targets from the bottom and trying to skip the line to swoop in for big money fights and then try to get a "fair shake\ advantages" afterwards. If Rigo steps right in to fight Loma, like ward did with Kovalev... i see that as Loma's peoples fault not rigo's (hey they most they can say is no... doesnt hurt to try ) but i see it as one of boxing's problems now. There is no respect for the rules, earning a shot or climbing a ladder anymore.... its all whining about buys, and power trip promoters and trivial bargaining details. I have problems with Roc nation and anyone whos trying to rewrite the game with no respect for the process that proceeded them .
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The Sh*t talking on twitter from whoever is typing Rigo's Tweets and Whoever might be typing Lomas tweets (maybe that's loma, but more like Klimas) don't even mention a number. Its promo bantering to see to get people worked up and clamoring for it . The Tweets from that article are from 2 years ago (where rigo couldn't draw flies to crap and he and Klitchsko were exiled from hbo for having a boring style). The numbers are obviously going to be different at this point. I actually like that Rigo attempted to fight a more crowd pleasing style after that but i don't know if much has changed for Rigo draw wise. It doesn't matter to me as different fighters will appeal to different fans. It just seems historically typical of rock nation fighters to call out big targets from the bottom and trying to skip the line to swoop in for big money fights and then try to get a "fair shake\ advantages" afterwards. If Rigo steps right in to fight Loma, like ward did with Kovalev... i see that as Loma's peoples fault not rigo's (hey they most they can say is no... doesnt hurt to try ) but i see it as one of boxing's problems now. There is no respect for the rules, earning a shot or climbing a ladder anymore.... its all whining about buys, and power trip promoters and trivial bargaining details. I have problems with Roc nation and anyone whos trying to rewrite the game with no respect for the process that proceeded them .
Yes, 2 years ago and it was lies. The important take away is they are still lying. They are still even last negotiations only offering 500k. They said they offered more until Rigo's side showed the contract and then they admitted they only offered 500k. Which might sound like a good chunk but for example when Loma was 1-1 and Gary Russell had never fought for a title they fought for a vacant belt with Loma getting
631,350
Russell getting
420,900
Remember neither had been a champion yet and Loma was 1-1. His star has grown and Rigo is an established champion. 500k is not remotely a fair offer in this situation. That's why they didn't admit what they offered until they were forced to admit.
If Loma gets on his Twitter or someone tells him what is happening on it we may get the fight because he is being abused. Because while Rigo was the first reply saying he agrees to the fight Loma hasn't said yes.
I'm cool with many options for Loma. They've admitted they will never fight Crawford saying "it is suicide". That's fair. A Mikey fight is great. But Miley says "if Loma wants to fight he needs to go to 135 and prove he can fight there so people don't say I picked on the little guy". So if Loma wants to fight at 135, cool. It leads somewhere. If Loma refuses Rigo and fights some nobody at 130 that's not cool. I'd even accept a Salido fight if they allow Salido to fight when he wants to fight. Or of course any of the champions. But turning down a legend to fight a stay busy fight is what I don't want to see.
Lomas date is only 37 days away. He's training. He will be ready. Will his opponent? Rigo is really the only guy talking about fighting him right now and the only fighter people are talking about him fighting. It's the logical fight.
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J_Undisputed
The Sh*t talking on twitter from whoever is typing Rigo's Tweets and Whoever might be typing Lomas tweets (maybe that's loma, but more like Klimas) don't even mention a number. Its promo bantering to see to get people worked up and clamoring for it . The Tweets from that article are from 2 years ago (where rigo couldn't draw flies to crap and he and Klitchsko were exiled from hbo for having a boring style). The numbers are obviously going to be different at this point. I actually like that Rigo attempted to fight a more crowd pleasing style after that but i don't know if much has changed for Rigo draw wise. It doesn't matter to me as different fighters will appeal to different fans. It just seems historically typical of rock nation fighters to call out big targets from the bottom and trying to skip the line to swoop in for big money fights and then try to get a "fair shake\ advantages" afterwards. If Rigo steps right in to fight Loma, like ward did with Kovalev... i see that as Loma's peoples fault not rigo's (hey they most they can say is no... doesnt hurt to try ) but i see it as one of boxing's problems now. There is no respect for the rules, earning a shot or climbing a ladder anymore.... its all whining about buys, and power trip promoters and trivial bargaining details. I have problems with Roc nation and anyone whos trying to rewrite the game with no respect for the process that proceeded them .
Yes, 2 years ago and it was lies. The important take away is they are still lying. They are still even last negotiations only offering 500k. They said they offered more until Rigo's side showed the contract and then they admitted they only offered 500k. Which might sound like a good chunk but for example when Loma was 1-1 and Gary Russell had never fought for a title they fought for a vacant belt with Loma getting
631,350
Russell getting
420,900
Remember neither had been a champion yet and Loma was 1-1. His star has grown and Rigo is an established champion. 500k is not remotely a fair offer in this situation. That's why they didn't admit what they offered until they were forced to admit.
If Loma gets on his Twitter or someone tells him what is happening on it we may get the fight because he is being abused. Because while Rigo was the first reply saying he agrees to the fight Loma hasn't said yes.
I'm cool with many options for Loma. They've admitted they will never fight Crawford saying "it is suicide". That's fair.
A Mikey fight is great. But Miley says "if Loma wants to fight he needs to go to 135 and prove he can fight there so people don't say I picked on the little guy". So if Loma wants to fight at 135, cool. It leads somewhere. If Loma refuses Rigo and fights some nobody at 130 that's not cool. I'd even accept a Salido fight if they allow Salido to fight when he wants to fight. Or of course any of the champions. But turning down a legend to fight a stay busy fight is what I don't want to see.
Lomas date is only 37 days away. He's training. He will be ready. Will his opponent? Rigo is really the only guy talking about fighting him right now and the only fighter people are talking about him fighting. It's the logical fight.
Ok so the question i have is if Loma needs to go to 135 and prove himself before fighting Mikey, why does rigo jump to 130 and precede the other fighters at 130 and get to fight Loma without doing the same? I respect what Mikey is saying and its what i've been saying all along. Theres an easy way to make sure someone can't avoid you... work your way up get on their radar and become the mandatory... If they still don't want to fight they either run like hell and jump networks or something like Stevenson or they drop the belt and stand there with a dumb look on their face like Canelo. The landscape has a way of sorting out these discrepancies. As much I respect Rigo, you cant get dropped by a network for fighting boring fights, get stripped of a title for inactivity, have to fight in China, Japan, Wales and then have youre last fight at 122 overturned to a no contest and expect to smack-talk your way to the front of the line at 130 because you want your pockets lined. It is true what Mikey says about being raked over the coals for fighting a smaller guy. I get that people want to see big fights, but just throwing everything (including the rankings and nobodies that worked their way up the honest way to become mandatories) out the window dishonors the sport and sours the results when the excuses roll in...
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Re: Rigo fooled Lomas people into saying his name
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The Sh*t talking on twitter from whoever is typing Rigo's Tweets and Whoever might be typing Lomas tweets (maybe that's loma, but more like Klimas) don't even mention a number. Its promo bantering to see to get people worked up and clamoring for it . The Tweets from that article are from 2 years ago (where rigo couldn't draw flies to crap and he and Klitchsko were exiled from hbo for having a boring style). The numbers are obviously going to be different at this point. I actually like that Rigo attempted to fight a more crowd pleasing style after that but i don't know if much has changed for Rigo draw wise. It doesn't matter to me as different fighters will appeal to different fans. It just seems historically typical of rock nation fighters to call out big targets from the bottom and trying to skip the line to swoop in for big money fights and then try to get a "fair shake\ advantages" afterwards. If Rigo steps right in to fight Loma, like ward did with Kovalev... i see that as Loma's peoples fault not rigo's (hey they most they can say is no... doesnt hurt to try ) but i see it as one of boxing's problems now. There is no respect for the rules, earning a shot or climbing a ladder anymore.... its all whining about buys, and power trip promoters and trivial bargaining details. I have problems with Roc nation and anyone whos trying to rewrite the game with no respect for the process that proceeded them .
Yes, 2 years ago and it was lies. The important take away is they are still lying. They are still even last negotiations only offering 500k. They said they offered more until Rigo's side showed the contract and then they admitted they only offered 500k. Which might sound like a good chunk but for example when Loma was 1-1 and Gary Russell had never fought for a title they fought for a vacant belt with Loma getting
631,350
Russell getting
420,900
Remember neither had been a champion yet and Loma was 1-1. His star has grown and Rigo is an established champion. 500k is not remotely a fair offer in this situation. That's why they didn't admit what they offered until they were forced to admit.
If Loma gets on his Twitter or someone tells him what is happening on it we may get the fight because he is being abused. Because while Rigo was the first reply saying he agrees to the fight Loma hasn't said yes.
I'm cool with many options for Loma. They've admitted they will never fight Crawford saying "it is suicide". That's fair.
A Mikey fight is great. But Miley says "if Loma wants to fight he needs to go to 135 and prove he can fight there so people don't say I picked on the little guy". So if Loma wants to fight at 135, cool. It leads somewhere. If Loma refuses Rigo and fights some nobody at 130 that's not cool. I'd even accept a Salido fight if they allow Salido to fight when he wants to fight. Or of course any of the champions. But turning down a legend to fight a stay busy fight is what I don't want to see.
Lomas date is only 37 days away. He's training. He will be ready. Will his opponent? Rigo is really the only guy talking about fighting him right now and the only fighter people are talking about him fighting. It's the logical fight.
Ok so the question i have is if Loma needs to go to 135 and prove himself before fighting Mikey, why does rigo jump to 130 and precede the other fighters at 130 and get to fight Loma without doing the same? I respect what Mikey is saying and its what i've been saying all along. Theres an easy way to make sure someone can't avoid you... work your way up get on their radar and become the mandatory... If they still don't want to fight they either run like hell and jump networks or something like Stevenson or they drop the belt and stand there with a dumb look on their face like Canelo. The landscape has a way of sorting out these discrepancies. As much I respect Rigo, you cant get dropped by a network for fighting boring fights, get stripped of a title for inactivity, have to fight in China, Japan, Wales and then have youre last fight at 122 overturned to a no contest and expect to smack-talk your way to the front of the line at 130 because you want your pockets lined. It is true what Mikey says about being raked over the coals for fighting a smaller guy. I get that people want to see big fights, but just throwing everything (including the rankings and nobodies that worked their way up the honest way to become mandatories) out the window dishonors the sport and sours the results when the excuses roll in...
You won't get any excuses after from me. I even want Loma to win. It will be a better fight if he does. You can check my history. You will find no fight where I made excuses after a fight. The closest you will find is me saying I disagree with the result. Which, I think everyone disagrees with results from time to time.
As for Rigo being dropped for being boring. That's the company line. He was dropped for ruining the status quo. Rigo became boring when he was a threat to Donaire and he continued being boring because he ruined a profiting fighter. What HBO does is underpay these fighters from Eastern Europe/Asia with help from the promoters/managers.(we're familiar with this in the States from MLB "why would we take an American player at full price when we can have a similar player from the Dominican Republic for pennies on the dollar")
People get this stuff all mixed up. Klimas went on and on about Wards side being dirtbags. But look what happens now, Kovalev wants to work with Wards side. That should tell people everything. Kovalev got screwed by Duva and Klimas and they tried to blame Wards side but the evidence comes out. Any guess who wrote the racist tweets? Kovalev doesn't seem to command the language quite so well. Now Loma(same manager Klimas) has tweets that look exactly the same hmmm.(not racist but pictures look the same) At what point do we go "maybe this guy who keeps lying is the problem, maybe he's lying to his fighters too".
As for Mikey wanting Loma to move up and prove himself being compared to Loma asking Rigo to move up and prove himself. Loma isn't asking Rigo to move up and prove himself. He thinks Rigo doesn't want to fight. What seems more likely, the guy that is saying he will meet every demand he wants to fight is lying and he doesn't want to fight. Or the guy that keeps lying is lying again? I find it far more likely Klimas is misleading Loma just as he mislead Kovalev.
I get the idea that hopping around weights isn't ideal. But we will probably never have a chance again to see a 2 time gold medal winner fight another 2 time gold medal winner. This is an exceptional situation which calls for exceptions. I just want the fight, it's history.
Again, I'm not saying it's Lomas only option. If he fights another titlist, great. If he fights a feel out fight at 135, great. I'm just saying if he isn't going to do one of those things he should fight Rigo.
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Every year I loathe Top Rank more and more for their lies. And the way they paint a certain picture that isn't the truth to go with their lies.
In this article a Top Rank exec says Salido turned down 720,000 and when his financialdemands were met he said he had a hand issue and a weight issue. Then he goes on with typical Top Rank BS snickering at Salido with funny how that happens, abut one thing after the next.
But, it's f'n BS. I could have told you weeks ago Salido didn't like the date and was asking them for ONLY a different date. Because of the reasons this guy snickers at. Pretty picture they paint but the truth was out for a while.
But, 720,000, for Salido. Shows that there is money out there. Exposes other aspects of their BS
http://www.boxingscene.com/top-rank-...ematch--118047
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Re: Rigo fooled Lomas people into saying his name
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Ron Swanson
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J_Undisputed
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Ron Swanson
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J_Undisputed
The Sh*t talking on twitter from whoever is typing Rigo's Tweets and Whoever might be typing Lomas tweets (maybe that's loma, but more like Klimas) don't even mention a number. Its promo bantering to see to get people worked up and clamoring for it . The Tweets from that article are from 2 years ago (where rigo couldn't draw flies to crap and he and Klitchsko were exiled from hbo for having a boring style). The numbers are obviously going to be different at this point. I actually like that Rigo attempted to fight a more crowd pleasing style after that but i don't know if much has changed for Rigo draw wise. It doesn't matter to me as different fighters will appeal to different fans. It just seems historically typical of rock nation fighters to call out big targets from the bottom and trying to skip the line to swoop in for big money fights and then try to get a "fair shake\ advantages" afterwards. If Rigo steps right in to fight Loma, like ward did with Kovalev... i see that as Loma's peoples fault not rigo's (hey they most they can say is no... doesnt hurt to try ) but i see it as one of boxing's problems now. There is no respect for the rules, earning a shot or climbing a ladder anymore.... its all whining about buys, and power trip promoters and trivial bargaining details. I have problems with Roc nation and anyone whos trying to rewrite the game with no respect for the process that proceeded them .
Yes, 2 years ago and it was lies. The important take away is they are still lying. They are still even last negotiations only offering 500k. They said they offered more until Rigo's side showed the contract and then they admitted they only offered 500k. Which might sound like a good chunk but for example when Loma was 1-1 and Gary Russell had never fought for a title they fought for a vacant belt with Loma getting 631,350 Russell getting 420,900 Remember neither had been a champion yet and Loma was 1-1. His star has grown and Rigo is an established champion. 500k is not remotely a fair offer in this situation. That's why they didn't admit what they offered until they were forced to admit. If Loma gets on his Twitter or someone tells him what is happening on it we may get the fight because he is being abused. Because while Rigo was the first reply saying he agrees to the fight Loma hasn't said yes. I'm cool with many options for Loma. They've admitted they will never fight Crawford saying "it is suicide". That's fair.
A Mikey fight is great. But Miley says "if Loma wants to fight he needs to go to 135 and prove he can fight there so people don't say I picked on the little guy". So if Loma wants to fight at 135, cool. It leads somewhere. If Loma refuses Rigo and fights some nobody at 130 that's not cool. I'd even accept a Salido fight if they allow Salido to fight when he wants to fight. Or of course any of the champions. But turning down a legend to fight a stay busy fight is what I don't want to see. Lomas date is only 37 days away. He's training. He will be ready. Will his opponent? Rigo is really the only guy talking about fighting him right now and the only fighter people are talking about him fighting. It's the logical fight.
Ok so the question i have is if Loma needs to go to 135 and prove himself before fighting Mikey, why does rigo jump to 130 and precede the other fighters at 130 and get to fight Loma without doing the same? I respect what Mikey is saying and its what i've been saying all along. Theres an easy way to make sure someone can't avoid you... work your way up get on their radar and become the mandatory... If they still don't want to fight they either run like hell and jump networks or something like Stevenson or they drop the belt and stand there with a dumb look on their face like Canelo. The landscape has a way of sorting out these discrepancies. As much I respect Rigo, you cant get dropped by a network for fighting boring fights, get stripped of a title for inactivity, have to fight in China, Japan, Wales and then have youre last fight at 122 overturned to a no contest and expect to smack-talk your way to the front of the line at 130 because you want your pockets lined. It is true what Mikey says about being raked over the coals for fighting a smaller guy. I get that people want to see big fights, but just throwing everything (including the rankings and nobodies that worked their way up the honest way to become mandatories) out the window dishonors the sport and sours the results when the excuses roll in...
You won't get any excuses after from me. I even want Loma to win. It will be a better fight if he does. You can check my history. You will find no fight where I made excuses after a fight. The closest you will find is me saying I disagree with the result. Which, I think everyone disagrees with results from time to time. As for Rigo being dropped for being boring. That's the company line. He was dropped for ruining the status quo. Rigo became boring when he was a threat to Donaire and he continued being boring because he ruined a profiting fighter. What HBO does is underpay these fighters from Eastern Europe/Asia with help from the promoters/managers.(we're familiar with this in the States from MLB "why would we take an American player at full price when we can have a similar player from the Dominican Republic for pennies on the dollar") People get this stuff all mixed up. Klimas went on and on about Wards side being dirtbags. But look what happens now, Kovalev wants to work with Wards side. That should tell people everything. Kovalev got screwed by Duva and Klimas and they tried to blame Wards side but the evidence comes out. Any guess who wrote the racist tweets? Kovalev doesn't seem to command the language quite so well. Now Loma(same manager Klimas) has tweets that look exactly the same hmmm.(not racist but pictures look the same) At what point do we go "maybe this guy who keeps lying is the problem, maybe he's lying to his fighters too". As for Mikey wanting Loma to move up and prove himself being compared to Loma asking Rigo to move up and prove himself. Loma isn't asking Rigo to move up and prove himself. He thinks Rigo doesn't want to fight. What seems more likely, the guy that is saying he will meet every demand he wants to fight is lying and he doesn't want to fight. Or the guy that keeps lying is lying again? I find it far more likely Klimas is misleading Loma just as he mislead Kovalev. I get the idea that hopping around weights isn't ideal. But we will probably never have a chance again to see a 2 time gold medal winner fight another 2 time gold medal winner. This is an exceptional situation which calls for exceptions. I just want the fight, it's history. Again, I'm not saying it's Lomas only option. If he fights another titlist, great. If he fights a feel out fight at 135, great. I'm just saying if he isn't going to do one of those things he should fight Rigo.
I wasn't referring to you with the excuses comment. I meant in general for the fans the fighters, the excuses.. the asterisk that appears next to a win among the sports consensus. Well the theory that Rigo was being punished for beating doniare might wash if Klitchsko wasn't admonished for the same thing at pretty much the same time. Why not just replace donaire with Rigo? Rigo was good enough to not really get beat and run the table at the weight. Donaire wasn't really a showman either, but when they contracted him for HBO under robert garcia he threw all his boxing skills away and start throwing power shots and paid for it eventually. Doubt it was the way he saw his career going, but its what the company wanted. If Rigo didn't want to do that, i can respect that...but you cant really blame the networks for going in a different direction. (Loma's next fight, as well as crawfords is on ESPN now -- who might be a little more grateful for a non emphatic kind of win-- But i'll take the type of KO over martinez, any day of the week over sosa or walters quitting all, things being equal...) I'm not saying Klimas is a boy scout. You don't get anywhere in the business without having at least some dirt on you. He's kind of a typical overexcited blowhard that we've seen in many international competitions. That being said, i don't think he's misleading his fighters. The language barrier is not huge enough to put blinders on these fighters to the world with klimas being the soul beacon of information. However i happen to agree with Klimas on roc nation. Its nice that they pay their fighters well (at their own expense and sustainability) however there probably hasnt been a fight yet where they they havent attempted to tilt the table in their favor or over estimated their position and tried to push the free prize fighting model mayweather started.. more later...
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Re: Rigo fooled Lomas people into saying his name
Sooo Flores rematch has been ordered. Does it say less of Rigo if he sticks around for it and more if he walks the talk and moves up?
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Sooo Flores rematch has been ordered. Does it say less of Rigo if he sticks around for it and more if he walks the talk and moves up?
I say rematch and finish the business.
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Re: Rigo fooled Lomas people into saying his name
Rigo is saying he met with Loma, it all went smooth and they expect to fight in the future. I hope he's right. No idea who translated
