Nathan Cleverly-Badou Jack - Excellent fight! (Floyd undercard).

Excellent fight.

Cleverly fought like a demon last time forcing the excellent badass vet Brahmer to swallow, even though the German is past his sell by date. And before that had a good punchup with Fonfara, although that form has taken a few knocks, but still, he fought for half the fight without a nose.

I see many American fans think this is a mismatch (surprise surprise ;D) yet Jack is moving up in weight, doesn't have a great output and isn't Julian Jackson.

This is Jack's form (last ten fights) - Lost TKO 1, Drawn 3-times, MD win, SD win, two UD's and two stoppages against borderline journeymen. So even when this man wins he doesn't win big, which is solely based on his steady-eddie style, he's not a sparko artist and benefitted from being a massive strong supermiddle.

Cleverly is gonna bring the fight to him throwing a million punches which will guarantee rounds in the bank (with fair judges). So barring getting knocked out, which doesn't look likely on paper, all he has to worry about is whether or not he gets a fair shake in America/Vegas, as even though Jack will be the more precise, slicker fighter the rounds will be a constant coin-flip of volume-vs-eye catching shots.

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Excellent fight. Cleverly fought like a demon last time forcing the excellent old German to swallow, even though Brahmer is past his sell by date. And before that had a good punchup with Fonfara, although that form has taken a few knocks, but still, he fought for half the fight without a nose.I see many American fans think this is a mismatch (surprise surprise ;D) yet Jack is moving up in weight, doesn't have a great output and isn't Julian Jackson.This is Jack's form (last ten fights) - Lost TKO 1, Drawn 3-times, MD win, SD win, two UD's and two stoppages against borderline journeymen. So even when this man wins he doesn't win big, which is solely based on his steady-eddie style, he's not a sparko artist and benefitted from being a massive strong supermiddle.Cleverly is gonna bring the fight to him throwing a million punches which will guarantee rounds in the bank (with fair judges). So barring getting knocked out, which doesn't look likely on paper, all he has to worry about is whether or not he gets a fair shake in America/Vegas.

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Only seen Cleverly a time or two, but he's a very courageous and capable boxer. Saw Jack a time or two as well and he's a rugged puncher. Felt he won his last fight against the 168 lb titlist Brit whose name now escapes me. Anyway, this looks to be a good fight and it's a decent undercard overall imo. The classy and courageous Steve Cunningham is also fighting.

I bet they think they can beat Cleverly easy but this will be tough for Jack. I think Nathan is not using his boxing skills as much and is relying on his work rate and aggression but that should be enough to be Badou who is a good and capable fighter himself but he will be facing a real light heavy.

I'm already noticing that it depends what side of the pond you are as to how you see this fight and Americans are dissing Cleverley's record and Brits dissing Jack's. Bit out of order on both sides IMO.
I like Cleverley and he's no pushover for anyone. Jack and his team probably think that this is the easiest intro to a divison above for a title , and they could be right. But he will have to work his nuts off for it. But Jack has shown his class by Beating Groves in a close fight and although only getting a draw against DeGale, he made a right fucking mess of him. That is top form in my book, alongside beating Dirrell.
I hope I'm wrong , but if I had to pick a winner , I would just shade it to Jack. props to both of them for taking it though.
might catch up with it on youtube a few days later, because nothing would make me buy OR stream that event.

Nathan Cleverly: WBA title on line v Badou Jack on Mayweather-McGregor undercard

Britain's Nathan Cleverly will defend his WBA light-heavyweight title against Badou Jack on Saturday, 26 August.

The bout will take place on the Floyd Mayweather v Conor McGregor undercard in Las Vegas.

Welshman Cleverly said: "I've trained long and hard for this fight and I'm ready to be let off the leash. This is the biggest fight of my career."

Swede Jack, 33, is based in Las Vegas and has 12 knockouts in 21 wins, with one defeat and two draws.

Cleverly, 30, won the title by beating Juergen Braehmer in October 2016.

Jack's super-middleweight unification fight with Britain's James DeGale ended in a controversial majority draw in January 2017.

He is moving up a weight after holding the WBC super-middleweight crown for two years.

Jack said: "I'm getting ready to take that belt, and win a title in my second weight class."

If Cleverly - whose record is 30 wins, including 16 knockouts, and three defeats - wins, he must defend the belt against Russian Dmitry Bivol.

According to WBA rules, a champion has 120 days to fight a mandatory challenger, and that deadline has expired.

Russian Bivol, 26, claimed the interim championship in May 2016 by defeating Felix Valera, and has won all 11 of his professional bouts.

The World Boxing Association says Cleverly and Bivol's teams have 30 days - from 27 July, 2017 - to reach an agreement or the fight will be called to purse bids.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/40893971

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Excellent fight.

Cleverly fought like a demon last time forcing the excellent badass vet Brahmer to swallow, even though the German is past his sell by date. And before that had a good punchup with Fonfara, although that form has taken a few knocks, but still, he fought for half the fight without a nose.

I see many American fans think this is a mismatch (surprise surprise ;D) yet Jack is moving up in weight, doesn't have a great output and isn't Julian Jackson.

This is Jack's form (last ten fights) - Lost TKO 1, Drawn 3-times, MD win, SD win, two UD's and two stoppages against borderline journeymen. So even when this man wins he doesn't win big, which is solely based on his steady-eddie style, he's not a sparko artist and benefitted from being a massive strong supermiddle.

Cleverly is gonna bring the fight to him throwing a million punches which will guarantee rounds in the bank (with fair judges). So barring getting knocked out, which doesn't look likely on paper, all he has to worry about is whether or not he gets a fair shake in America/Vegas, as even though Jack will be the more precise, slicker fighter the rounds will be a constant coin-flip of volume-vs-eye catching shots.

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You’ve made a convincing case for Cleverley and its all true.

When I first thought of this fight my immediate reaction was that Jack has too much quality to lose to a guy who got beat by Fonfara, outpointed by Bellew and blown away by Kovalev. However its correct as you say that Jack has had a lot of mixed results and rarely gets the job done decisively. I think this will be another fight where the decision is debated whichever way it goes.

I would say that despite the draws with Bute and Degale I think Jack deserved the wins and if he had got the decisions they would be two noticeable wins on his record that would put him in a different light. George Groves is a quality fighter and Jack beat him with abit to spare, Dirrell was a nice win too.

Nathans best win was probably that injury stoppage over an old Brahemer or his close win over Bellew. I do like Nathan though and if he utilised his left hand abit more instead of leading with the face he would have had more success in his career. He throws plenty and has a good engine but Jack is physically very strong. Even at light heavyweight I believe Jack will be hard to budge so Nathan shouldn’t just plough away with his head down round after round looking to wear him down. That’s what I think hes going to try to do unfortunately. Hes got to use his brains abit more in this one and respect Jacks strength up close and take advantage of Badous lower output.

Jack has already beat two British fighters (he was robbed against Degale) and this will be his third.

Cleverly was well beaten by Fonfara, who was wiped out himself by Smith and Stevenson.

Easy decision win for Jack :)

Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

I always enjoy a fighter like Jack that is constantly underrated, they make that cheddar for the betters.

What's the line on this fight in the U.K.? Does it match Vegas?

I cant really remember the De Gale fight, am I right in thinking the De Gale was bossing it and then gassed badly and done well to hang on till the end by which point the cards were pretty close?

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Didn't he get his teeth knocked out :(

Cleverly is just not that good. He is decent but I believe he has seen better days. Jack isn't great by any means, but he is a solid fighter with solid skills. I don't know if there will be a stoppage, but Jack should win this one pretty easily

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Yes that is exactly how it went and the teeth knocked out. Bodou was also knocked down.

Well the Irish and Welsh will be tuning in for this card. They'll both have a reason to drink afterwards...

Not that they need one :D

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Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

I always enjoy a fighter like Jack that is constantly underrated, they make that cheddar for the betters.

What's the line on this fight in the U.K.? Does it match Vegas?

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Personally , I don't think this fight gains much interest from the mainstream over here. Boxing fans obviously like the fight, but it doesn't make massive waves. Jack isn't a massive name over here, despite beating Groves and (maybe) Degale. And Cleverley has for whatever reason, never Had a massive following. Personally I like the guy.
It's funny , but if a Brit beat Groves, smashed DeGale teeth out , beat Dirrell and at least drew with AA, He would be seen as the P4P #1 . ;D

I think Jack's mob are right in their thinking, Cleverly is there for the taking and beating him will positions Jack for one of the proper fights at 175. Jack has made good improvements on a fight by fight basis and I thought he was a close but clear winner of both the Groves and DeGale fights. The fact that he got chinned in a round isnt going away but he stood up to anything Groves and DeGale could throw his way, both respectable punchers. Although a weight class up, Cleverly goes too much with volume, he doesn't put a lot of stink on his punches. Jack on points.

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Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

I always enjoy a fighter like Jack that is constantly underrated, they make that cheddar for the betters.

What's the line on this fight in the U.K.? Does it match Vegas?

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Personally , I don't think this fight gains much interest from the mainstream over here. Boxing fans obviously like the fight, but it doesn't make massive waves. Jack isn't a massive name over here, despite beating Groves and (maybe) Degale. And Cleverley has for whatever reason, never Had a massive following. Personally I like the guy.
It's funny , but if a Brit beat Groves, smashed DeGale teeth out , beat Dirrell and at least drew with AA, He would be seen as the P4P #1 . ;D

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I see Jack as yet another fighter I got wrong. There is not a lot of sizzle with him so he's easy to dismiss as not special. I'm not comparing the 2 but there wasn't a lot of sizzle to Hopkins either. Just, the more I watch Jack the more I see in him. Some guys right away jump out, other guys slowly earn respect. You never know how a guy will adjust to a new weight but I assume Jack will be right with the top guys.

Easily the most competitive fight on paper under that circus tent of a card. I thought Jack was headed for the bin of also rans when he was pulverized by Edwards. He just came off as bland and a bit uninspired but now knows he belongs. He should have had the nod over DeGale and showed improved poise and pop that he can surely carry up. Approach wise this feels like a quality over quantity match right now with Cleverly looking to outhustle and it's not entirely out of the question, Jack isn't exactly a raging fire still but his punches sap a guy and Cleverly will be forced to stand in as it goes to keep pace. Can see Jack stronger down stretch and Cleverly gutting it out late but just for a Jack unanimous W.

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Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

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Excuses?

The very fact Jack is the home fighter on his promotion is a benefit. Fact. I would have made the exact same point had Cleverly been at home.

Ignoring history?

I made a case for the probability of a fight producing closer scorecards than most will think. Reason? The favourite (Jack 4/11) has a "history" of disputed decisions and debatable scorecards. Whether or not you believe he was "robbed" or not is utterly irrelevant, my point is about official scorecards not opinion. Nothing has been ignored.

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Good call getting the excuses in early. It ignores history, that Jack is more likely to get a win taken from him than gifted to him. If history matters.

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Excuses?

The very fact Jack is the home fighter on his promotion is a benefit. Fact. I would have made the exact same point had Cleverly been at home.

Ignoring history?

I made a case for the probability of a fight producing closer scorecards than most will think. Reason? The favourite (Jack 4/11) has a "history" of disputed decisions and debatable scorecards. Whether or not you believe he was "robbed" or not is utterly irrelevant, my point is about official scorecards not opinion. Nothing has been ignored.

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And I didn't debate that he has a history of close fights. His history is that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from the judges. But go ahead and plant that seed of if Cleverly can get a fair shake. How many wins has Cleverly had taken from him?

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Excuses?

The very fact Jack is the home fighter on his promotion is a benefit. Fact. I would have made the exact same point had Cleverly been at home.

Ignoring history?

I made a case for the probability of a fight producing closer scorecards than most will think. Reason? The favourite (Jack 4/11) has a "history" of disputed decisions and debatable scorecards. Whether or not you believe he was "robbed" or not is utterly irrelevant, my point is about official scorecards not opinion. Nothing has been ignored.

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And I didn't debate that he has a history of close fights. His history is that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from the judges. But go ahead and plant that seed of if Cleverly can get a fair shake. How many wins has Cleverly had taken from him?

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Jesus! You are seriously paranoid mate. I couldn't care less about Cleverly.

In a close fight with two contrasting styles the winner will virtually always be determined by the style we prefer, it's our natural bias, which is no different for "neutral" judges either.

Therefore, "fair shake" means the scoring goes Cleverly's way. I was making a case for his slack defense-high volume style. It will depend on the preference of the judges whether or not they favour that style over Jack's more slicker-economical-precise shooting. That's all I meant.

No conspiracy. No corruption. No excuses.

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He should have had the nod over DeGale and showed improved poise. Approach wise this feels like a quality over quantity match right now with Cleverly looking to outhustle and it's not entirely out of the question, Jack isn't exactly a raging fire still but his punches sap a guy and Cleverly will be forced to stand in as it goes to keep pace. Can see Jack stronger down stretch and Cleverly gutting it out late but just for a Jack unanimous W.

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Nathan Cleverly says his bout with Badou Jack "could be the real fight of the night" on the undercard of Floyd Mayweather's "freak event" fight with Conor McGregor.

Welshman Cleverly will be defending his WBA world light heavyweight title against the Swede.

And he says McGregor has no chance of winning on 26 August in Las Vegas.

"In chief support you've got the 'real' fight, between myself and Jack, two world class operators," he said.

"This could be the real fight of the night and I'm looking to capitalise."

Cleverly believes the crossover fight between undefeated boxer Mayweather, 40, and UFC lightweight champion McGregor, 29, who has never boxed professionally, is a complete mismatch.

"I don't believe there is anyway McGregor can win, Mayweather is too good in his art and craft to allow McGregor to capitalise," Cleverly said.

"But fair play, they've made it a one-off, freak event."

Cleverly, who fought on the undercard of Joe Calzaghe's 2008 showdown with Bernard Hopkins in Vegas, says the magnitude of this fight eclipses any he has previously been involved with.

"It is one of these once in a blue moon fantasy fights that come along once in a generation," he said.

"My fight could be the real fight of the night and I'm looking to capitalise on that.

"The occasion is massive, the magnitude and the scale of the event, we are privileged to be on this event, it is a great opportunity. I am aware of the global scale of it, of the viewership.

"The fight has captured everyone's imagination and I think even though it is not a true boxing fight, for me, selfishly, I am glad of the opportunity it gives me, it is great exposure for everyone involved."

Explaining that he does not believe McGregor has a chance, Cleverly added that the Irish boxer "does not deserve," the opportunity he has, but credits him for taking his chance.

"An MMA specialist coming over, boxing is not his main field, so I believe an upset is not on the cards," he said.

"It is a fight, anything can happen, but realistically? Mayweather is too good.

"Does he deserve this opportunity in boxing? No.

"But can you blame him for making it happen and combining with Mayweather to make it happen? No you cannot and fair play to him for the work put in, inside and outside the gym to capture the public's imagination."

Cleverly says the exposure of facing Jack, a Swedish boxer based in Vegas, gives him a chance to enter boxing's 'elite' level as he targets a potential future fight with Andre Ward.

"I've been very patient and I am the current world champion, that puts me in a strong position and I knew sooner or later this fight would be made," he said.

"On an exposure level, in the hierarchy of boxing this fight is exceptionally important. In terms of breaking into that elite level, this is the most important fight of my career."

Cleverly said he feels he has a significant advantage over his opponent, a former super middleweight world champion who beat George Groves and drew last time out with James DeGale as he prepares to face a British boxer for a third time.

"I am a seasoned campaigner at light heavyweight, but this is Jack's first fight at the weight and he will realise in the ring, half a stone is a jump up, it makes a difference," added Cleverly.

"I see it going the distance, potentially, neither of us are KO artists, we both punch hard, maybe a stoppage victory is more possible.

"But the win is the crucial aspect here."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/40953147

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I watched degale jack and if any fighter deserved to win it was jack, degale was fucked by the end

but degale won 6 rounds

if the fight was 13 rounds there is no doubt jack would have won, he might have even KOed degale

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I watched degale jack and if any fighter deserved to win it was jack, degale was fucked by the end

but degale won 6 rounds

if the fight was 13 rounds there is no doubt jack would have won, he might have even KOed degale

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De Gale started strong and had the early knock down but yet Jack came back strong at the end. Although I have not watched the Jack's fight with Groves that seemed to have the opposite story. Either way Badou Jack is a world class fighter.

I think clev beats jack BTW

id be surprised if he doesn't out work him every round, and jack doesn't have enough to win by KO

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id be surprised if he doesn't out work him every round, and jack doesn't have enough to win by KO

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Cleverly has become a high work rate come forward fighter when he is better at boxing and suing his skills to win his fights. Nathan walked into some bombs in his last few fights.

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Yep, you're right mate, all about attention to detail. Anyway he's royally pissed off that Frampton and "Barry the spiv" might be parting ways.;D;D;D

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Yep, you're right mate, all about attention to detail. Anyway he's royally pissed off that Frampton and "Barry the spiv" might be parting ways.;D;D;D

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Barry is not a spiv. He is an honourable man who has brought boxing to mainstream TV.

How poor was Cleverly and good Badu Jack?

Nathan was very limited and was one dimension whereas Jack looked sharp and effective standing up to Cleverly dominating every round and stopping the champ with surprising ease.

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How poor was Cleverly and good Badu Jack?

Nathan was very limited and was one dimension whereas Jack looked sharp and effective standing up to Cleverly dominating every round and stopping the champ with surprising ease.

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i expected Nathan to get a beating but he was even worse than I thought he'd be.

pretty shameful display from a defending world champ especially against a guy in his first fight at the weight. I suspected that Nathan wouldn't get the tactics right going in. Recently he's had a tendency of leading with his face trying to tough it out from the start. If it didn't work with a washed up fonfara why would he think it would work here.

That hunched style doesn't work for him and jack took full advantage looking better in every fight we see him.

relieved Nathan has packed in it in now. That was painful to watch as the Kovalev loss. Badou is a nice addition to the already packed 175 division

Cleverley said he would retire if he lost, let's see if he keeps his word.

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Hes announced his retirement and even if he did go on, there's no fights out there for him. He'd have to go back down to domestic level but I wouldn't even fancy his chances vs that Haye wannabe on boxnation Antony yarde

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Hes announced his retirement and even if he did go on, there's no fights out there for him. He'd have to go back down to domestic level but I wouldn't even fancy his chances vs that Haye wannabe on boxnation Antony yarde

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Actually that would be a good crossroads fight for Yarde.

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What do you have against Cleverly?

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Cleverly is just not that good. He is decent but I believe he has seen better days. Jack isn't great by any means, but he is a solid fighter with solid skills. I don't know if there will be a stoppage, but Jack should win this one pretty easily

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Even though Cleverly is a shadow, this current version of Jack would have battered him at any time regardless. It's incredible watching Jack improve so greatly, become so much faster, stronger and sharper as he gets older. They've got some good training "methods" in the Mayweather gym.

Cleverly was winded in the opening minute(s) which totally drained his confidence and output.

Jack-Kovalev would be some punchup.

Kovalev took nathan apart and he will never ever be the same.

Ward needs to stop wasting time and fight Stevenson.

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Actually that would be a good crossroads fight for Yarde.

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So Cleverley should retire, fair enough, "let's see if he does."
But wait, it's ok to carry on if he becomes a stepping stone and a punchbag for a young up and coming guy to put on his CV.
Fucking priceless!!!👋

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Actually that would be a good crossroads fight for Yarde.

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So Cleverley should retire, fair enough, "let's see if he does."
But wait, it's ok to carry on if he becomes a stepping stone and a punchbag for a young up and coming guy to put on his CV.
Fucking priceless!!!👋

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For Yarde it would be a good fight, for Cleverly it would be a bad move.