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Before Wilder/Joshua...
Hey,
I happen to think a Wilder/Joshua showdown is a bit early. Do you agree? There is a lot more than can be built into this fight that can generate more interest globally and more money!
Do you REALLY feel as if a Wilder/Joshua fight can be a PPV record breaking fight as it is now? I would say: When Joshua dispatches Pulev, and when Wilder dispatches Ortiz (BIG IFFFFFF) then there should be a fight with Joshua vs. Povetkin OR Parker and Wilder should beat up on Stiverne, again!
PS: Wilder should fight outside of the USA, well Alabama in particular.
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I agree the Aj v Wilder could break all ppv records but Wilder is so vulnerable (injury and chin) he could lose at any time so it is better to have it sooner rather than later.
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Wilder needs to overcome Ortiz on November the 4th and then make the fight early April at Wembley stadium.
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I heard Wilder wasn't happy with the November 4th date as hasn't signed the contract. Fight might get pushed to 2018 if it happens at all. I agree with @Master that Wilder is an accident waiting to happen.
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Wilder is 38-0, is already champion, and is already 31. How much longer do we need to wait?
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Wilder is 38-0, is already champion, and is already 31. How much longer do we need to wait?
On him? Not at all. But on fight fans receiving it as a MEGA MUST SEE ONCE IN A LIFETIME FIGHT? This needs a bit more....
Where are the good promoters these days? All of Haymon fighters seem to be under-pushed!? Sure, they get a lot of the business done. But, they are always "the other guy", except for Floyd Mayweather.
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Wilder is 38-0, is already champion, and is already 31. How much longer do we need to wait?
On him? Not at all. But on fight fans receiving it as a MEGA MUST SEE ONCE IN A LIFETIME FIGHT? This needs a bit more....
Where are the good promoters these days? All of Haymon fighters seem to be under-pushed!? Sure, they get a lot of the business done. But, they are always "the other guy", except for Floyd Mayweather.
I agree that this potential MEGA fight should be getting a lot more push than it is.
Promoters nowadays aren't worth a damn.
Say what you will about Don King, but at least he know how to promote.
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It needs to happen as soon as possible, what are we waiting for? They're both unbeaten, they're both champions and they are both exciting so let's just let them fight and see what happens. I think it's a 50/50 fight to be honest and if Wilder stops Ortiz then I'd probably make him favourite.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Wilder is 38-0, is already champion, and is already 31. How much longer do we need to wait?
On him? Not at all. But on fight fans receiving it as a MEGA MUST SEE ONCE IN A LIFETIME FIGHT? This needs a bit more....
Where are the good promoters these days? All of Haymon fighters seem to be under-pushed!? Sure, they get a lot of the business done. But, they are always "the other guy", except for Floyd Mayweather.
I agree that this potential MEGA fight should be getting a lot more push than it is.
Promoters nowadays aren't worth a damn.
Say what you will about Don King, but at least he know how to promote.
Spot on with King. You FELT the fight before it happened. Even most recently: You FELT Stiverne vs Arreola even before it happened the first time. You had a sense of it's importance and significance. Even better that the first one literally set up the second one where it was more than what we anticipated. And those two guys weren't even that high up on King's list of guys he brought to the public eye.
You can FEEL a King fight. But nowadays, you can't feel anything. Even Bob Arum was halfway decent. But now, it's like... bleh!!!
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
I heard Wilder wasn't happy with the November 4th date as hasn't signed the contract. Fight might get pushed to 2018 if it happens at all.
Rumour has it Jacob's vs Lee could be on the undercard of Wilder/ Ortiz.
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In all fairness I'd rather scrap the mandatory defenses and all that bollocks and throw them in against each other tomorrow
They are the holders, they are supposedly the best, they should be fighting the best.
I know that it isn't their fault but I'd rather see AJ v Wilder now rather than in 18 months time
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Wilder is 38-0, is already champion, and is already 31. How much longer do we need to wait?
On him? Not at all. But on fight fans receiving it as a MEGA MUST SEE ONCE IN A LIFETIME FIGHT? This needs a bit more....
Where are the good promoters these days? All of Haymon fighters seem to be under-pushed!? Sure, they get a lot of the business done. But, they are always "the other guy", except for Floyd Mayweather.
I agree that this potential MEGA fight should be getting a lot more push than it is.
Promoters nowadays aren't worth a damn.
Say what you will about Don King, but at least he know how to promote.
Spot on with King. You FELT the fight before it happened. Even most recently: You FELT Stiverne vs Arreola even before it happened the first time. You had a sense of it's importance and significance. Even better that the first one literally set up the second one where it was more than what we anticipated. And those two guys weren't even that high up on King's list of guys he brought to the public eye.
You can FEEL a King fight. But nowadays, you can't feel anything. Even Bob Arum was halfway decent. But now, it's like... bleh!!!
I used to think of King and Arum as snake oil salesmen. Now I wish we had a few of those still around. ;D
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Shaefer fits that bill. Oscar to an extent.
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In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
Is Wilder even PPV in the states?
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Originally Posted by
GaMo
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
Is Wilder even PPV in the states?
No and he isnt a big attraction either, that is why he usually fights in alabama. Wilder v Josua certainly won't break any ppv records in america, maybe britain, it is possible it wouldn't even be on ppv, boxing popularity is certainly on the slide in north america, i dont think wilder will ever be a ppv star in america unless he wins all four belts and even then......
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Wilder isn't that big of a name. If he beats Ortiz next then there is no reason to wait anymore. I just doubt that Wilder is getting anymore popular than he is without beating AJ.
On the flip side, AJ is popular over in the U.K. but I believe that he won't hit superstardom without beating Wilder and proving without a doubt that he is the best HW in the world.
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If AJ & Wilder come through victorious in their next fights then it should be a sell out in the UK. Parker is the odd man out here but might sneak in 1st.
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
This is why you aren't supposed to eat paint chips
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Any fans peddling the "it needs to marinate" line deserves to be shot. Fact. It's nothing but bullshit promoter spiel.
Why the fuck do you care about how much money the fighters make? One million not enough? 5 million? 10 million? Who cares whether it breaks PPV records? Who cares whether or not "casual" fans are interested? That's what Floyd-McGregor was all about, for fucks sake.
Joshua can sell out any stadium in Britain against ANYONE on the planet (70,000 Pulev tickets sold in ONE DAY). He's doing over a million UK PPV. HBO and Showtime are tripping over themselves competing for his services. (only Canelo can match the current dough Joshua generates and that's with Vegas behind him).
There's not a shred of evidence in the history of boxing that MORE MONEY equates to BETTER FIGHT.
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$1.5million covered the ENTIRE. Repeat. ENTIRE purses for the Superfly card last week.
Choco/Inoue/ThaiwangSri/Estrada/Cuadras/Viloria etc - just over a million bucks.
And you casual fan muppets want to give millionaires that already get paid fortunes excuses to not make fights. Unreal.
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Yeah marinating is sh-t, building towards a fight though I can understand. Aj/ Pulev winner vs Wilder/ Ortiz winner makes for a good fight. Or the current Cruiser and Super Middle tournaments that will lead to the last 2 (4) fighting leads to hopefully an exciting anticipated match up. Thing with the tournaments tho is we know we will get the winners fighting (barring injuries). With marinating there's no real guarantee.
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I must be slower than initially informed..is this fight made???. Wilder needs AJ more if honest and would love to see him drop his trinket in the garbage and pursue AJ aka a challenge instead of moaning, rightfully so, about Stiverne mandatory. Best vs best shocker I know. But that's his market tag but I get the feel it's all passing him by. Joshua has the options and frankly isn't fighting late replacements in some Alabama sports arena.
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
Yeah marinating is sh-t, building towards a fight though I can understand. Aj/ Pulev winner vs Wilder/ Ortiz winner makes for a good fight. Or the current Cruiser and Super Middle tournaments that will lead to the last 2 (4) fighting leads to hopefully an exciting anticipated match up. Thing with the tournaments tho is we know we will get the winners fighting (barring injuries). With marinating there's no real guarantee.
Yeah a big difference. Dopey fans constantly complain about the sport yet peddle out every promoter/fighter excuse in the book to prevent the best fights being made.
The notion that millionaire "world" champions are not ready to face their fellow millionaire "world" champions is beyond MORONIC.
Fighters fight.
Promoters sell.
Hardcore/nerds want the best possible fights.
And casual fans are obsessed with money, bling and PPV.
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@Master why are you editing my posts?
To be fair I dunno what you have changed but it says that you have changed something.
Explain yourself immediately or face the consequences
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Wilder is turning into a Bowe style champion , lazy and easy fights.
We all just want to see the best fight the best.
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Originally Posted by
Batman
@
Master why are you editing my posts?
To be fair I dunno what you have changed but it says that you have changed something.
Explain yourself immediately or face the consequences
I was waiting for your post to marinate.
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Batman
@
Master why are you editing my posts?
To be fair I dunno what you have changed but it says that you have changed something.
Explain yourself immediately or face the consequences
I was waiting for your post to marinate.
:boxing2:
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Originally Posted by
Batman
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Batman
@
Master why are you editing my posts?
To be fair I dunno what you have changed but it says that you have changed something.
Explain yourself immediately or face the consequences
I was waiting for your post to marinate.
:boxing2:
:furiouschairbt2:
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Originally Posted by
palmerq
No and he isnt a big attraction either, that is why he usually fights in alabama. Wilder v Josua certainly won't break any ppv records in america, maybe britain, it is possible it wouldn't even be on ppv, boxing popularity is certainly on the slide in north america, i dont think wilder will ever be a ppv star in america unless he wins all four belts and even then......
That’s what I thought. Every time I see Wilder fight he is fighting in Alabama or somewhere that isn’t really known for Boxing (not Vegas or the Garden) It’s strange that America have an unbeaten heavyweight champion and nobody gives a fuck about him. I actually like Wilder and there’s no fight I’d rather see happen than him against AJ. It’ll break PPV records over here but it won’t knock Mayweather off the top in America.
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
If AJ & Wilder come through victorious in their next fights then it should be a sell out in the UK. Parker is the odd man out here but might sneak in 1st.
They should fight as soon as possible because if the fights good we could always see a rematch. These guys wait too long before fighting each other and that takes away the possibility of them fighting multiple times. Parker isn’t a factor for me, I think Povetkin and Ortiz would both stop him.
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Originally Posted by
GaMo
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Originally Posted by
palmerq
No and he isnt a big attraction either, that is why he usually fights in alabama. Wilder v Josua certainly won't break any ppv records in america, maybe britain, it is possible it wouldn't even be on ppv, boxing popularity is certainly on the slide in north america, i dont think wilder will ever be a ppv star in america unless he wins all four belts and even then......
That’s what I thought. Every time I see Wilder fight he is fighting in Alabama or somewhere that isn’t really known for Boxing (not Vegas or the Garden) It’s strange that America have an unbeaten heavyweight champion and nobody gives a fuck about him. I actually like Wilder and there’s no fight I’d rather see happen than him against AJ. It’ll break PPV records over here but it won’t knock Mayweather off the top in America.
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
If AJ & Wilder come through victorious in their next fights then it should be a sell out in the UK. Parker is the odd man out here but might sneak in 1st.
They should fight as soon as possible because if the fights good we could always see a rematch. These guys wait too long before fighting each other and that takes away the possibility of them fighting multiple times. Parker isn’t a factor for me,
I think Povetkin and Ortiz would both stop him.
You could be right but he does have a belt, the fight may also be easier to make than Wilder. Funny thing is I think both those guys also stop Wilder.
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
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Originally Posted by
GaMo
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Originally Posted by
palmerq
No and he isnt a big attraction either, that is why he usually fights in alabama. Wilder v Josua certainly won't break any ppv records in america, maybe britain, it is possible it wouldn't even be on ppv, boxing popularity is certainly on the slide in north america, i dont think wilder will ever be a ppv star in america unless he wins all four belts and even then......
That’s what I thought. Every time I see Wilder fight he is fighting in Alabama or somewhere that isn’t really known for Boxing (not Vegas or the Garden) It’s strange that America have an unbeaten heavyweight champion and nobody gives a fuck about him. I actually like Wilder and there’s no fight I’d rather see happen than him against AJ. It’ll break PPV records over here but it won’t knock Mayweather off the top in America.
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
If AJ & Wilder come through victorious in their next fights then it should be a sell out in the UK. Parker is the odd man out here but might sneak in 1st.
They should fight as soon as possible because if the fights good we could always see a rematch. These guys wait too long before fighting each other and that takes away the possibility of them fighting multiple times. Parker isn’t a factor for me,
I think Povetkin and Ortiz would both stop him.
You could be right but he does have a belt, the fight may also be easier to make than Wilder. Funny thing is I think both those guys also stop Wilder.
Well Povetkin had his chance to fight Wilder in Russia but couldn't make it to the fight drug free so that's his problem not Wilders.
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Originally Posted by
GaMo
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
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Originally Posted by
GaMo
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Originally Posted by
palmerq
No and he isnt a big attraction either, that is why he usually fights in alabama. Wilder v Josua certainly won't break any ppv records in america, maybe britain, it is possible it wouldn't even be on ppv, boxing popularity is certainly on the slide in north america, i dont think wilder will ever be a ppv star in america unless he wins all four belts and even then......
That’s what I thought. Every time I see Wilder fight he is fighting in Alabama or somewhere that isn’t really known for Boxing (not Vegas or the Garden) It’s strange that America have an unbeaten heavyweight champion and nobody gives a fuck about him. I actually like Wilder and there’s no fight I’d rather see happen than him against AJ. It’ll break PPV records over here but it won’t knock Mayweather off the top in America.
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
If AJ & Wilder come through victorious in their next fights then it should be a sell out in the UK. Parker is the odd man out here but might sneak in 1st.
They should fight as soon as possible because if the fights good we could always see a rematch. These guys wait too long before fighting each other and that takes away the possibility of them fighting multiple times. Parker isn’t a factor for me,
I think Povetkin and Ortiz would both stop him.
You could be right but he does have a belt, the fight may also be easier to make than Wilder. Funny thing is I think both those guys also stop Wilder.
Well Povetkin had his chance to fight Wilder in Russia but couldn't make it to the fight drug free so that's his problem not Wilders.
Doesn't change the fact that I still feel he KOs Wilder.
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
I admire your tenacity. Sneaking Floyd into the thread like that! #missinghim #cantlivewithouthim!!! 😂😂😂
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
I admire your tenacity. Sneaking Floyd into the thread like that! #missinghim #cantlivewithouthim!!! 😂😂😂
It also sounds like he is actively applauding the PPV model
full of surprises is our Master
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Originally Posted by
Batman
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
I admire your tenacity. Sneaking Floyd into the thread like that! #missinghim #cantlivewithouthim!!! 😂😂😂
It also sounds like he is actively applauding the PPV model
full of surprises is our Master
I am not. No fight should be ppv, it is evil.
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Batman
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
I admire your tenacity. Sneaking Floyd into the thread like that! #missinghim #cantlivewithouthim!!! 😂😂😂
It also sounds like he is actively applauding the PPV model
full of surprises is our Master
I am not. No fight should be ppv, it is evil.
But you still want the Boxers to earn good money! Priceless.😂
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Batman
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
I admire your tenacity. Sneaking Floyd into the thread like that! #missinghim #cantlivewithouthim!!! 😂😂😂
It also sounds like he is actively applauding the PPV model
full of surprises is our Master
I am not. No fight should be ppv, it is evil.
But you still want the Boxers to earn good money! Priceless.😂
They can earn that through endorsements and advertising being on mainstream TV.
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Batman
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
I admire your tenacity. Sneaking Floyd into the thread like that! #missinghim #cantlivewithouthim!!! 😂😂😂
It also sounds like he is actively applauding the PPV model
full of surprises is our Master
I am not. No fight should be ppv, it is evil.
But you still want the Boxers to earn good money! Priceless.😂
They can earn that through endorsements and advertising being on mainstream TV.
Fucking clueless. So Carl Froch can make £10million out of fairy liquid ads can he?
Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Batman
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
In a way with the right marketing and "marinating" this could break the ppv record especially if AJ fought in USA before he meets Wilder.
I would be glad to see Floyd's record broken so quickly.
I admire your tenacity. Sneaking Floyd into the thread like that! #missinghim #cantlivewithouthim!!! 😂😂😂
It also sounds like he is actively applauding the PPV model
full of surprises is our Master
I am not. No fight should be ppv, it is evil.
But you still want the Boxers to earn good money! Priceless.😂
They can earn that through endorsements and advertising being on mainstream TV.
Fucking clueless. So Carl Froch can make £10million out of fairy liquid ads can he?
Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
Henry Cooper did it.
