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Is there any part of GGG game that you think he can improve on (head movement etc) to make him an even better fighter at this stage?
How long can he leave it before he moves up in weight? Or does he even need to if he will make so much money with the Canelo rematch?
Golovkin is slowing down and not as effective cutting down the ring.
He really is Hagler now some young active boxer will beat him in the very near future.
A young active fighter beat himQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Last night in a very close fight.
No Canelo did not. Ironically Saul tried to do what Leonard did against Hagler which was to steal rounds with eye catching punches but really Golovkin was doing the effective work and landing the better point scoring punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by impA young active fighter beat himQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Last night in a very close fight.
I thought Golovkins output was better than against Jacobs this time out and to be fair he outlanded Canelo in all but one round and landed over 50 more blows. The only weakness really was that he started very tense. I am not sold on a rematch, but if it was to happen in the next 6 months I see it going the same way, but maybe a little more urgency from Golovkin. He knows Canelo fights only in spurts and knows his style now. I liked how GGG took most of Canelo's shots on the arms too. A tighter defence than we have seen recently. It took a few rounds to figure it out, but Golovkin is the one who made the adjustments and showed the better ring IQ. However, in saying that Golovkin has a style that won't last another half decade. He has 3 fights left and should make them count. That is one reason I am not sure he really owes Canelo a rematch. Jacobs sure, but this wasn't that close.
Well wrote. Few appreciate the subtle technical skills Golovkin has, he made Canelo gas out and stay on the ropes. Golovkin just outpointed him from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Canelo had to fight GGG that way and no one should be surprised he was on his bike picking his moments.
GGG could get better in the rematch by perhaps going to the body early?
He's been given two gifts in a row now. He lost last night and he probably lost against Jacobs (the only two good fighters he's fought) it's no surprise he wouldn't go up to 168 and fight Ward.
I think he should have invested in the body. I also think he was wary of doing it because of Canelo's handspeed and ability to counter. Think he realises now that Canelo is there to the body and he did start doing it more in the second half, but it would have been better to start faster and invest in that early on.
It's scary to think that on the 3 cards overall Canelo won more rounds. It has no connection with reality and suggests the rematch clause was there to be taken up no matter what. DLH was moaning like mad about the Mayweather fight, but Golden Boy/Canelo's cards are just as much a stain on the sport.
I can't bash GGG as he has dominated the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
He beat Jacobs in my eyes and lost
7-5 last night against Canelo.
In the rematch, I see GGG being even hungrier for the win but it must take place ASAP considering the age factor.
All Canelo needs to do is be more active. GGG will only get older and Alvarez will only get better. The rematch will be easily won by Canelo as we saw the best of GGG last night and it was not impressive.
Yes that is all he has to do because he was blowing out of his ass and could not take the consistent pressure from GGG. How is he going to be able to do it the second time.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
I bet Canelo will try and wait until GGG is older and wait another 18 months to get the rematch on.
I will be the first to call Canelo a bitch if the rematch with GGG is not his next fight.
I'm still quite shocked that the majority had GGG winning a very close fight.
That Margarito type zombie plodding forward is nothing if you miss the majority of your power shots and get countered..Canelo was silky, smooth in some parts of the fight!
Can GGG get any better?...let's talk about the trainer Abel Sanchez and see if he is even capable of improving on GGGs flaws..
Margarito type plodding? Are you serious? He is older so many things he once did great have been reduced a bit but GGG still did some things technically great. Margarito just came forward and looked for the KO and didn't worry about being hit. GGG purposely pushed him to the ropes and avoided exchanges to avoid the counters so that he could just win rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
And it doesn't matter if you miss a ton of punches if you are still landing more than your opponent. I don't like compubox but for the sake of argument I'll use it. Essentially they landed the same amount of power punches. GGG landed quite a few more jabs. GGG threw way more power punches. That means that although Canelo had a better connect percentage, GGG was busier and dictated the pace of the fight. He forced Canelo to back up and rely solely on counter punching because GGG was too active.
I understand that sometimes your scorecard is the outlier (it has happened to me on a few occasions), but trying to defend your position by calling GGG a margarito type fighter is insane.
You and me are the only ones who aren't queuing up to suck off GGG. @Master thinks that plodding and missing style is the most exciting thing he's ever seen inside of a boxing ring. Being an accurate puncher and a responsible defender doesn't mean much here it seems. Guys like Floyd get trashed while bums like Lemieux get praised :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think there's a lot more fans that just "dislike" Canelo and feel as though he has had everything laid out for him as a golden boy fighter.
I like both of these fighters but prefer Canelos style.
HTF is Floyd, who struggled with a welterweight Maidana twice a few years ago going to keep GGG at middleweight?
You are in cloud cuckoo land.
Floyd will never ever fight at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He is old, rich and told us in 2011 he will never fight above 154.
No one is expecting Floyd to step back in the ring and fight GGG or Canelo
(a guy he already schooled 11-1, something GGG could not do!).
Floyd is done, retired and old and should not be mentioned anymore as a potential opponent for anyone.
Do you honestly think GGG would have beaten Ward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Be honest now..the world is watching.
Canelo has been GGG toughest opponent and a little, tiny welterweight in Floyd mayweather played with him..lol
I never sad Golovkin could beat Ward but he sure would beat Floyd who would be out of his depth against triple G.Quote:
Originally Posted by impDo you honestly think GGG would have beaten Ward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Be honest now..the world is watching.
Canelo has been GGG toughest opponent and a little, tiny welterweight in Floyd mayweather played with him..lol
There was a reason Floyd would only fight Golovkin at light middle because he is too small at middleweight.
So stop the nonsense that Floyd would beat Golovkin because he beat Canelo easier.
I never sad Golovkin could beat Ward but he sure would beat Floyd who would be out of his depth against triple G.Quote:
Originally Posted by impDo you honestly think GGG would have beaten Ward?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Be honest now..the world is watching.
Canelo has been GGG toughest opponent and a little, tiny welterweight in Floyd mayweather played with him..lol
There was a reason Floyd would only fight Golovkin at light middle because he is too small at middleweight.
So stop the nonsense that Floyd would beat Golovkin because he beat Canelo easier.
You know better. Gamo is just too stupid to understand this.
Sorry, but if weight was not an issue (in this P4P fantasy) Floyd would beat GGG every day of the week.
Floyd is too old to fight someone like GGG now..especially at 160.
154 or below 5 years ago is acceptable.
GGG a outstanding amateur since being champion in the pros only two fighters have lasted the full 12 rounds, shit some people are never happy
it seems the ginger one did not fancy standing his ground to often.
Canelo did not like the pace of the fight GGG dictated the pace and he put a lot of pressure Canelo could only move or run I dont think its a case of can GGG get any better, can the ginger one beat him fair and square.! ;)
Does Canelo even want a rematch, he looked shattered in there at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I wonder what Oscar and him will do next.
No other options make sense.
Most money on the table.
The rematch must happen!
Watch what they do and not what they say because they were "marinating" this contest for 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Ward is a light heavyweight. It's like saying Why doesn't Ward jump up two weights to fight Joshua?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Both jacobs and Canelo failed in their attempts vs a washed up 35 year old. Both guys ran and were scared of the power. Back to caneloweight for Alvarez vs guys more on his level. He tried stepping up to win the titles but came up short and his own fans bood him for not fighting like a Mexican. Tragic night for his career vs an old man
Ward was at 168 when he called out Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard is a light heavyweight. It's like saying Why doesn't Ward jump up two weights to fight Joshua?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Both jacobs and Canelo failed in their attempts vs a washed up 35 year old. Both guys ran and were scared of the power. Back to caneloweight for Alvarez vs guys more on his level. He tried stepping up to win the titles but came up short and his own fans bood him for not fighting like a Mexican. Tragic night for his career vs an old man
Surely the real question is can Canelo get any better? What Golovkin did by consensus was good enough to win the fight and win it pretty handily. It's Canelo that needs to find a bit more, but from where? Unless Golovkin deteriorates rapidly, Canelo now knows what every sane person knew going into the fight. There aint a cat in hells chance of him chinning the fucker, so he needs to go the long way around. His constant back peddling was not of his own doing, he was in retreat for most of the fight because he had no choice. The 35 year old who they hoped would be a little more shop worn, had too much engine for him and he couldnt compete.
It's Canelo that needs to make changes. Or.......do what they've been doing for the past couple of years and hope Golovkin fades enough to get the win at the second attempt.
Ward wasn't fighting anyone. He had contract issues. But even if he did call out a guy in the division below him they are still in different weight classesQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoWard was at 168 when he called out Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard is a light heavyweight. It's like saying Why doesn't Ward jump up two weights to fight Joshua?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Both jacobs and Canelo failed in their attempts vs a washed up 35 year old. Both guys ran and were scared of the power. Back to caneloweight for Alvarez vs guys more on his level. He tried stepping up to win the titles but came up short and his own fans bood him for not fighting like a Mexican. Tragic night for his career vs an old man
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Originally Posted by GAMEWard wasn't fighting anyone. He had contract issues. But even if he did call out a guy in the division below him they are still in different weight classesQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoWard was at 168 when he called out Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard is a light heavyweight. It's like saying Why doesn't Ward jump up two weights to fight Joshua?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Both jacobs and Canelo failed in their attempts vs a washed up 35 year old. Both guys ran and were scared of the power. Back to caneloweight for Alvarez vs guys more on his level. He tried stepping up to win the titles but came up short and his own fans bood him for not fighting like a Mexican. Tragic night for his career vs an old man
As we're Golovkin and Canelo but Alvarez stepped up and made it happen. He had the balls to do what Golovkin didn't and you can't dispute that.
No, I don't think that GGG can get better. If anything, he will have slightly declined a bit further by the time they next fight.
However, I don't think he NEEDS to get better.
In my view, he gave away the first three rounds by starting a bit tentatively and getting outboxed. If he starts at the same relentless pace that he showed from the 4th to the 10th, his route to victory is to wear Canelo down.
Whether he will be able to do that over 12 rounds at age 35 is going to be the big question for the rematch.
Canelo had to go up in weight because he can not make 154lb legally and fairly. The fat fucks last fight before GGG was at super middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard wasn't fighting anyone. He had contract issues. But even if he did call out a guy in the division below him they are still in different weight classesQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoWard was at 168 when he called out Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard is a light heavyweight. It's like saying Why doesn't Ward jump up two weights to fight Joshua?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Both jacobs and Canelo failed in their attempts vs a washed up 35 year old. Both guys ran and were scared of the power. Back to caneloweight for Alvarez vs guys more on his level. He tried stepping up to win the titles but came up short and his own fans bood him for not fighting like a Mexican. Tragic night for his career vs an old man
As we're Golovkin and Canelo but Alvarez stepped up and made it happen. He had the balls to do what Golovkin didn't and you can't dispute that.
Nice story but it was only a year ago that Canelo made 154 to fight Smith for the WBO title so what you're saying simply isn't true. Just be honest and admit your boy was scared of Ward and stop making all these ridiculous excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo had to go up in weight because he can not make 154lb legally and fairly. The fat fucks last fight before GGG was at super middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard wasn't fighting anyone. He had contract issues. But even if he did call out a guy in the division below him they are still in different weight classesQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoWard was at 168 when he called out Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard is a light heavyweight. It's like saying Why doesn't Ward jump up two weights to fight Joshua?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Both jacobs and Canelo failed in their attempts vs a washed up 35 year old. Both guys ran and were scared of the power. Back to caneloweight for Alvarez vs guys more on his level. He tried stepping up to win the titles but came up short and his own fans bood him for not fighting like a Mexican. Tragic night for his career vs an old man
As we're Golovkin and Canelo but Alvarez stepped up and made it happen. He had the balls to do what Golovkin didn't and you can't dispute that.
His previous fights were at middleweight and he gets some help to make weight fighting at home. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoNice story but it was only a year ago that Canelo made 154 to fight Smith for the WBO title so what you're saying simply isn't true. Just be honest and admit your boy was scared of Ward and stop making all these ridiculous excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo had to go up in weight because he can not make 154lb legally and fairly. The fat fucks last fight before GGG was at super middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard wasn't fighting anyone. He had contract issues. But even if he did call out a guy in the division below him they are still in different weight classesQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoWard was at 168 when he called out Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard is a light heavyweight. It's like saying Why doesn't Ward jump up two weights to fight Joshua?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Both jacobs and Canelo failed in their attempts vs a washed up 35 year old. Both guys ran and were scared of the power. Back to caneloweight for Alvarez vs guys more on his level. He tried stepping up to win the titles but came up short and his own fans bood him for not fighting like a Mexican. Tragic night for his career vs an old man
As we're Golovkin and Canelo but Alvarez stepped up and made it happen. He had the balls to do what Golovkin didn't and you can't dispute that.
@Master if that is true (it's not) then he can continue to "get help" as he has no reason to leave home. Alvarez actually started his career at welterweight so he's moved up two divisions already whilst GGG has spent his entire career at middleweight and flat out refused to move up to prove himself against Ward.
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Originally Posted by GaMoNice story but it was only a year ago that Canelo made 154 to fight Smith for the WBO title so what you're saying simply isn't true. Just be honest and admit your boy was scared of Ward and stop making all these ridiculous excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo had to go up in weight because he can not make 154lb legally and fairly. The fat fucks last fight before GGG was at super middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard wasn't fighting anyone. He had contract issues. But even if he did call out a guy in the division below him they are still in different weight classesQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoWard was at 168 when he called out Golovkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWard is a light heavyweight. It's like saying Why doesn't Ward jump up two weights to fight Joshua?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Both jacobs and Canelo failed in their attempts vs a washed up 35 year old. Both guys ran and were scared of the power. Back to caneloweight for Alvarez vs guys more on his level. He tried stepping up to win the titles but came up short and his own fans bood him for not fighting like a Mexican. Tragic night for his career vs an old man
As we're Golovkin and Canelo but Alvarez stepped up and made it happen. He had the balls to do what Golovkin didn't and you can't dispute that.
GaMo - GAME - GaMo - GAME - GaMo - Master - GaMo
God damnit Master you broke the pattern, that quote is going to play havoc with my OCD now
Let Canelo stay at home at light middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
GGG can continue to dominate and take all the trinkets at middleweight and continue to dominate.
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Originally Posted by GaMo
Its more ore difficult to dominate 1 weight class than it is to cherry pick paper titles in different weigh classes cus if you stay in 1 division you can't avoid the best.
Canelo has been calling himself middleweight champ ever since he beat a washed up Cotto and I'm sure there were a couple Canelo weight fights before that so he's been a middleweight for years. It makes sense why the ducked Golovkin for so many years now. He had his chance thought GGG was washed up but ultimately he got significantly outlanded and couldn't win.
maybe better luck next may. Golovkin will be even older then
@Master good for him, who do you think will make more money? Some big names at 147 that could meet Canelo at 154 (and would) who has GGG got to fight that people would care about?