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If you trained AJ..or Wilder?
They still both seem a tad green to me in certain areas..and this x2 fights a year for AJ will do him more harm than good.
He has the muscles, the looks and the country behind him...but the Charles Martin fight was awful and he should have had a much harder introduction into a world title.
I still think a fit, lean Fury would outbox him in the decision..probably.
If you were training AJ, what weaknesses in his game would you concentrate on?
Wilder is just wild.
A basketball physique looking player with serious power..still looks a bit unsteady on his feet.
Both the above are world champions and perhaps I'm being a bit harsh but I think they're both a few fights away from really finding themselves and stepping into their real primes.
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Re: If you trained AJ..or Wilder?
Good question. From the start of their careers I'd have to say Wilder, I think he's got some crazy reach and if he was able to learn the Manny Steward style he'd be damn near unbeatable. Right now, AJ, he's more polished, he's got a better grasp on the basics, he just needs to tighten up the defense a bit more.
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Re: If you trained AJ..or Wilder?
Wilder is a grown, street thug-man. Joshua seems like a very good, strong athletic kid. The differences in their mentality is the key here. If pound for pound they are equal, give me Wilder because he understands the totality of the stakes. I just think AJ is one Hollywood Whore and a bad night at the Strip Club away from a humiliating defeat he need not have! jmo...
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AJ is by far the superior technician, likeable and more likely long term champion. AJ will get better and fought the 2nd best active fighter on the planet.
Wilder needs to cash in and take on AJ before he gets even better or do a Adonis Stevenson and hide behind mandatories for as long as he is able to.
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You know the training is lacking for Wilder when camp lets a Charlie Z get beat down by him in his gym. And it's filmed. Huge difference I see between the two is professionalism and simple composure. Self awareness and genuine confidence in skills. Wilder sounds more confident in KO than he does his skill set, AJ confident all around. The crazy thing is that even to this day we have zero idea what Wilder does, can do, once he's cracked and forced to make adjustments. Hindsight 20-20 AJ has at least proven trainable in big picture.
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Wilder boxes really well against Stiverne but has since looked terrible. His power is legit but against someone he can't stop I see him falling apart. AJ is more well rounded. Needs to work on defending against the right hand but seems committed to improving.
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A couple fights will make no difference for Wilder, he is what he is. If anything he gets more susceptible each fight because his hands get worse and worse. There’s a reason Wilder wants the AJ fight now and AJ wants it later.
Both have massive flaws but their strengths are overwhelming. So it’s not so much changing what you are but playing to your strengths. While they don’t fight similarly their strengths are largely similar. Stupid power, overwhelming size and athleticism. One’s more polished, one’s more scary. Polished wins more times than not, but when scary wins it’s spectacular.
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I know that Wlad was past his prime but the way that AJ approached that 11th round knowing that he had to KO Wlad was impressive.
AJ seems to have more potential to improve and is the A side on the negotiating table.
AJ is not as robotic like Bruno but would benefit from a bit of the Lennox Lewis jab in his game.
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It doesn't matter who trains Wilder, he's a 30+ fight experienced former Olympian that hasn't changed in years. His team have done a good job keeping him unbeaten, but it's also the reason he's a nobody in America with no respect.
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It doesn't matter who trains Wilder, he's a 30+ fight experienced former Olympian that hasn't changed in years. His team have done a good job keeping him unbeaten, but it's also the reason he's a nobody in America with no respect.
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This
And Wilder can't understand why he's not a draw.
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Re: If you trained AJ..or Wilder?
I would normally argue that Wilder, like all delusional fighters, doesn't see what everyone else sees. However, he wont even entertain facing Dillian Whyte for a career high payday.
Of all the plodder heavyweights out there Wilder defends his title against Molina? Szpilka? Duhaupas? Where did they get these guys from? Washington? All these guys became known in boxing because of Wilder and all got whupped straight after.
Wilder hasn't been matched to learn from experience he's been matched to keep his title (granted he would have faced Povetkin during this time)
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I would normally argue that Wilder, like all delusional fighters, doesn't see what everyone else sees. However, he wont even entertain facing Dillian Whyte for a career high payday.
Of all the plodder heavyweights out there Wilder defends his title against Molina? Szpilka? Duhaupas? Where did they get these guys from? Washington? All these guys became known in boxing because of Wilder and all got whupped straight after.
Wilder hasn't been matched to learn from experience he's been matched to keep his title (granted he would have faced Povetkin during this time)
I find the ducking of Dillian whyte strange, that is a missed opportunity.
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I would normally argue that Wilder, like all delusional fighters, doesn't see what everyone else sees. However, he wont even entertain facing Dillian Whyte for a career high payday.
Of all the plodder heavyweights out there Wilder defends his title against Molina? Szpilka? Duhaupas? Where did they get these guys from? Washington? All these guys became known in boxing because of Wilder and all got whupped straight after.
Wilder hasn't been matched to learn from experience he's been matched to keep his title (granted he would have faced Povetkin during this time)
I find the ducking of Dillian whyte strange, that is a missed opportunity.
I believe Wilder is wanting that AJ fight to cash out. There's a strong possibility he'd lose to Whyte.
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You all realize Wilder told Hearn to put what he says into the contract right? Hearn says fight Whyte for a shot at AJ, Wilder told him “put it in the contract and I’ll fight Whyte” the ball is in and has been in Hearns court.
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You all realize Wilder told Hearn to put what he says into the contract right? Hearn says fight Whyte for a shot at AJ, Wilder told him “put it in the contract and I’ll fight Whyte” the ball is in and has been in Hearns court.
I agree, I think Wilder would beat Whyte and would not be carried to take that fight.
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I agree with those that said AJ,s defense is a little lacking. I think he has the tools, but its the execution that's a little slow rolling. Watching his fight. I see.. that he either stays out of range looking for a shot to counter or shuffling in with his hands high looking to maul you with combos. It's not a bad plan of action as you don't have many fleet footed heavyweights that would slip out and use angles on you. Still if he was stronger and pivoting, using defense to set up offense, and setting traps, he would do himself the favor of creating opportunities and conserving his energy to preserve his stamina. A good fighter know hows to attack and how to defend. A better fighter also knows when....
As for wilder, They need to fix his feet. Yes hes long and athletic. But ever notice how with the exception of that straight right hand, his length tends to get in his way and makes him awkward. A pet peeve of mine has always been tall fighters that fought short (Corrales, Paul Williams) . Their exciting but the physics of the situation is working against them every time. If you're tall and you're hook happy, your just opening every window of opportunity in the house. A guy with a side step that covers more ground than most opponents reach should be a Ghost by the time the punches are coming in. Plus the benefit of having a reach that would allow you to throw counters after those misses should be golden. But his legs get tangled up so he turns his back sometimes and runs away to retreat. His hooks wind up as slapping door knockers at times. His stance is too wide on his punches and leaves him in awkward positions to defend from. He sometimes forgets the difference between a swing and a punch. For wilder, hes been doing these things for so long without being corrected that fixing them now would take time and discipline that i'm afraid, he doesn't have because hes too busy trying to build his brand.
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If the question is who would I'd rather train, the slam-dunk answer for me is AJ. Wilder is a bigger project for any trainer. Too many things to fix, which may or may not be fixable. I like Wilder, don't get me wrong, but he's gotten away with a lot of things because of his strength and athleticism. To those who like a blank canvas to work with, Wilder would be a formidable project, mainly because he's got so many pro fights under his belt. What's the saying... it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks?
AJ is another story. Not saying he's the complete package yet... but let's not forget he just finished knocking out a very determined, FINALLY offensive-minded Wladimir. Plus... he survived a knockdown by Wlad to do it. At this point I think AJ is at a much superior technical place than Wilder.
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After his recent weigh in AJ may have to work on the weight and extra muscle. All the outside interference can't help much either.
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If the question is who would I'd rather train, the slam-dunk answer for me is AJ. Wilder is a bigger project for any trainer. Too many things to fix, which may or may not be fixable. I like Wilder, don't get me wrong, but he's gotten away with a lot of things because of his strength and athleticism. To those who like a blank canvas to work with, Wilder would be a formidable project, mainly because he's got so many pro fights under his belt. What's the saying... it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks?
AJ is another story. Not saying he's the complete package yet... but let's not forget he just finished knocking out a very determined, FINALLY offensive-minded Wladimir. Plus... he survived a knockdown by Wlad to do it. At this point I think AJ is at a much superior technical place than Wilder.
AJ is as complete a package as anyone else right now.
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I would want to train Wilder.
As someone already said, he is more of a blank canvas and you could mound his style to be something truly unique.
Joshua is already down the route of technical orthodoxy. He has quick hands and power, but he does lumber a bit and he was known in the amateurs for being a bit chinny
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I would want to train Wilder.
As someone already said, he is more of a blank canvas and you could mound his style to be something truly unique.
Joshua is already down the route of technical orthodoxy. He has quick hands and power, but he does lumber a bit and he was known in the amateurs for being a bit chinny
Wilder is not a blank canvas, if he was he would have improved his boxing skills by now. Some of the punches he throws would not be out of place outside a club on Saturday night.
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What is the best weight for AJ stamina..?
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What is the best weight for AJ stamina..?
The weight he came in against Wlad.
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Too much muscle imo.
He needs to really get behind that jab and make stamina and slickness his priority.
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What is the best weight for AJ stamina..?
The weight he came in against Wlad.
No, Lighter. He was too heavy against Wlad. 17 stone to 17 stone 3lbs is the weight he should be.
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What is the best weight for AJ stamina..?
The weight he came in against Wlad.
No, Lighter. He was too heavy against Wlad. 17 stone to 17 stone 3lbs is the weight he should be.
AJ looked a right fat cunt didn't he, he needs to lay off that Nandos black card that he's got the tubby fucker
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What is the best weight for AJ stamina..?
The weight he came in against Wlad.
No, Lighter. He was too heavy against Wlad. 17 stone to 17 stone 3lbs is the weight he should be.
AJ looked a right fat cunt didn't he, he needs to lay off that Nandos black card that he's got the tubby fucker
When you are facing someone not as dangerous as Wlad you can easily take short cuts in training. I think that showed in his weight and performance.
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What is the best weight for AJ stamina..?
The weight he came in against Wlad.
No, Lighter. He was too heavy against Wlad. 17 stone to 17 stone 3lbs is the weight he should be.
AJ looked a right fat cunt didn't he, he needs to lay off that Nandos black card that he's got the tubby fucker
When you are facing someone not as dangerous as Wlad you can easily take short cuts in training. I think that showed in his weight and performance.
AJ needs x3 fights next year.
The last one being Wilder.
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What is the best weight for AJ stamina..?
The weight he came in against Wlad.
No, Lighter. He was too heavy against Wlad. 17 stone to 17 stone 3lbs is the weight he should be.
AJ looked a right fat cunt didn't he, he needs to lay off that Nandos black card that he's got the tubby fucker
When you are facing someone not as dangerous as Wlad you can easily take short cuts in training. I think that showed in his weight and performance.
AJ needs x3 fights next year.
The last one being Wilder.
That is what Eddie wanted but in the summer. So Parker early 2018,then Wilder then mandatory.
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After that mediocre performance last night by Anthony Joshua I am certain that Deontay Wilder will bomb him out of there in about 4 or 5 round stops. Joshua is all hat and no cattle.
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For AJ put down the barbells and lift if need be for flexibility and fluidity. Lighter weight up the reps. Did you see Gerald Washington stuffing jabs in Wilders face? Use it perfect it. Don't be so chummy with Hearn in public ;D.
