Joshua Shamelessly Ducks Wilder. Refuses to give him 50%. Disgrace.

"It will be 50-50 or else we don't see a fight."

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Some people try and blame Wilder by pointing out his biggest purse is 5% of Joshua's and has only one belt and is less famous. But that shit ain't the truth. If Joshua was true champion why ain't he fought in America yet? Scared. Just as Wilder says. True champion would give Wilder the money he demands. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"It will be 50-50 or else we don't see a fight."

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Some people try and blame Wilder by pointing out his biggest purse is 5% of Joshua's and has only one belt and is less famous. But that shit ain't the truth. If Joshua was true champion why ain't he fought in America yet? Scared. Just as Wilder says. True champion would give Wilder the money he demands. Fact.

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Does it mean Wilder is now the BESTESTIST ?

It probably should be 50/50. I get that AJ can outsell Wilder, but Wilder has proven to be a legitimate fighter that has a real chance to beat AJ. I don’t really see either being the champion over the other. Them fighting each other is the only way to settle it.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"It will be 50-50 or else we don't see a fight."

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Some people try and blame Wilder by pointing out his biggest purse is 5% of Joshua's and has only one belt and is less famous. But that shit ain't the truth. If Joshua was true champion why ain't he fought in America yet? Scared. Just as Wilder says. True champion would give Wilder the money he demands. Fact.

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Does it mean Wilder is now the BESTESTIST ?

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True dat

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

It probably should be 50/50. I get that AJ can outsell Wilder, but Wilder has proven to be a legitimate fighter that has a real chance to beat AJ. I don’t really see either being the champion over the other. Them fighting each other is the only way to settle it.

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Agreed. It should be 50:50. It's not Wilder's fault the Brits will watch any old fight and fill a stadium. It's Toryism to think 'I'm the man, I deserve lots of money!' The other fighter is a champ too and is risking his life. Be a gentleman and give him his share.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"It will be 50-50 or else we don't see a fight."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...medium=twitter


Some people try and blame Wilder by pointing out his biggest purse is 5% of Joshua's and has only one belt and is less famous. But that shit ain't the truth. If Joshua was true champion why ain't he fought in America yet? Scared. Just as Wilder says. True champion would give Wilder the money he demands. Fact.

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Does it mean Wilder is now the BESTESTIST ?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

It probably should be 50/50. I get that AJ can outsell Wilder, but Wilder has proven to be a legitimate fighter that has a real chance to beat AJ. I don’t really see either being the champion over the other. Them fighting each other is the only way to settle it.

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Agreed. It should be 50:50. It's not Wilder's fault the Brits will watch any old fight and fill a stadium. It's Toryism to think 'I'm the man, I deserve lots of money!' The other fighter is a champ too and is risking his life. Be a gentleman and give him his share.

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Agreed.


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Disagree.

60-40..possibly 55-45?

Who has x2 belts?

Who sells out stadiums?

I have no idea who is the best out of these two fighters but when it comes down to business, it's pretty obvious that AJ is the bigger name.

unfortunately this is how it is. on one hand Wilder is saying "give me this , give me that." and yeah, it's a unification between the top 2 in the division , so fair enough.
on the other hand , Joshua could say to Wilder "ok , YOU GIVE ME 30 million!" because that's what he would probably earn over here.
and that's without even discussing Where the fight would be held.
I'm not saying it's right or fair, but the reality is either Joshua gets a bigger slice of the pie and home advantage or It just doesn't happen.

To take less than 50% for either one of them is humiliating. It seems that 50/50 is the best way to go here. Of course Joshua can sell more tickets.

Give him the 50/50 split. Joshua will make way more money anyway from his sponsors and broadcasting deals.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

To take less than 50% for either one of them is humiliating. It seems that 50/50 is the best way to go here. Of course Joshua can sell more tickets.

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Originally Posted by Dannl99

Give him the 50/50 split. Joshua will make way more money anyway from his sponsors and broadcasting deals.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

unfortunately this is how it is. on one hand Wilder is saying "give me this , give me that." and yeah, it's a unification between the top 2 in the division , so fair enough.
on the other hand , Joshua could say to Wilder "ok , YOU GIVE ME 30 million!" because that's what he would probably earn over here.
and that's without even discussing Where the fight would be held.
I'm not saying it's right or fair, but the reality is either Joshua gets a bigger slice of the pie and home advantage or It just doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by imp

Disagree.

60-40..possibly 55-45?

Who has x2 belts?

Who sells out stadiums?

I have no idea who is the best out of these two fighters but when it comes down to business, it's pretty obvious that AJ is the bigger name.

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AJ is the draw and becoming very well known to the American audience from what I see. For a guy who's had his last 2,3 ? 'mega fights' fall apart and is now lined up to face guys AJ knocked out a year + ago Wilder should be offering whatever it takes to force AJ into a showdown, not setting up fake loopholes to fight another stool warmer. Not saying he should take a suckers cut but for as confident as he is with his Tyson like *spit take* one hit bricks he can consider it an investment.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

AJ is the draw and becoming very well known to the American audience from what I see. For a guy who's had his last 2,3 ? 'mega fights' fall apart and is now lined up to face guys AJ knocked out a year + ago Wilder should be offering whatever it takes to force AJ into a showdown, not setting up fake loopholes to fight another stool warmer. Not saying he should take a suckers cut but for as confident as he is with his Tyson like *spit take* one hit bricks he can consider it an investment.

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Wilder knows this could be his last big fight at the top and wants to get properly compensated for the loss. It is not an investment but a pension.

With Ortiz and Povtekin back in the mix Wilders time may be running out. He wants that money before they catch up with him.

Wladimir gave 50/50 splits to hate and ibragimov to make sure the unification fights happened, not completely relevant but wotever......

AJ definitely deserves more and a fair share more but I don’t understand those saying he is getting a following in the USA. He could get a following if he made the big fights, but he doesn’t currently have one, his numbers have been terrible.

Parker’s team says they offered 65 to AJ and a rematch clause for him and they wouldn’t take that either. Which, good, nobody cares about Parker, but it shows Wilder isn’t the only one struggling to come to terms with AJs people.

50/50 doesn’t work, what is the counter offer? If you don’t hear the counter offer someone is being sneaky. I’m genuinely asking, what is the counter offer? I haven’t heard one

Wilder doesn't want AJ he just made that fairly clear putting on a stage show with Ortiz. Network has all but made that fight just now ;D. Does a Ortiz win still boost his cut demand.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

AJ definitely deserves more and a fair share more but I don’t understand those saying he is getting a following in the USA. He could get a following if he made the big fights, but he doesn’t currently have one, his numbers have been terrible.

Parker’s team says they offered 65 to AJ and a rematch clause for him and they wouldn’t take that either. Which, good, nobody cares about Parker, but it shows Wilder isn’t the only one struggling to come to terms with AJs people.

50/50 doesn’t work, what is the counter offer? If you don’t hear the counter offer someone is being sneaky. I’m genuinely asking, what is the counter offer? I haven’t heard one

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"Counter offer" is the key. AJ's team can offer what they want . There will be no counter offer.
You say Parker's team offered 65 to AJ? That's wrong . They actually offered to TAKE 35%. There is a massive difference.
Parker and Wilder's teams either don't have the financial muscle or cannot justify the investment .
So the only people putting money up is on AJ's side. And they won't be told how to spend their dough.

I fear this will be Riddick Bowe V Lennox Lewis all over again.

The two fighters' camps will fart about, whining about percentages & paydays etc, instead of just making arguably the hottest fight in the sport right now, meanwhile, one of both of them will probably get derailed along the way & if they do fight, no one will give a damn, or much like Bowe/Lewis, never fight at all, then spend the next twenty five years blaming each other for the fight not happening.

The more I think about it, the more I think it should be 50/50 but should be fought in Britain. Equal share but since AJ is the bigger draw he gets hometown advantage.

Looks like Wilder will fight Ortiz next. Pretty happy with this. If he wins that at least its a genuine fighter on his rec and will strengthen his case for an even money fight with AJ. Until then, if I was AJ I wouldnt accept less than 70%.

Wilder and his team are completely missing the bigger picture.
If AJ beats Parker next then he'll hold 3 belts to Wilders 1 instead of 2 v 1.
That's only gonna strengthen AJ and Hearns hand in any future negotiation.
AJ is box office Wilder isn't and has been badly promoted to the point where the man on the street doesn't even know who he is.
Pretty sure the USA have not had many unknown Heavyweight champions in the past.
If Wilders as good as he thinks he shouldn't hesitate but I'm actually with Swanson on this one and would love to know what exactly Hearn did offer him.
If a 60-40 split in AJs favour was on offer then I'd say it's Wilder doing the ducking.
Hope this gets made in 2018 while both fighters are in their prime.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"It will be 50-50 or else we don't see a fight."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...medium=twitter


Some people try and blame Wilder by pointing out his biggest purse is 5% of Joshua's and has only one belt and is less famous. But that shit ain't the truth. If Joshua was true champion why ain't he fought in America yet? Scared. Just as Wilder says. True champion would give Wilder the money he demands. Fact.

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How is Wilder less popular than Joshua?
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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"It will be 50-50 or else we don't see a fight."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...medium=twitter


Some people try and blame Wilder by pointing out his biggest purse is 5% of Joshua's and has only one belt and is less famous. But that shit ain't the truth. If Joshua was true champion why ain't he fought in America yet? Scared. Just as Wilder says. True champion would give Wilder the money he demands. Fact.

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How is Wilder less popular than Joshua?
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Have you seen the stadiums that AJ fills?

It's not about the stadiums.

Exactly, it is not about the stadiums. In the 1700's the main source of entertainment was public hanging. An English crowd will watch anything as evidenced by Amir Kan allegedly frolicking in a jungle here in the 21st century. It is just gentlemanly to share the plunder.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"It will be 50-50 or else we don't see a fight."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...medium=twitter


Some people try and blame Wilder by pointing out his biggest purse is 5% of Joshua's and has only one belt and is less famous. But that shit ain't the truth. If Joshua was true champion why ain't he fought in America yet? Scared. Just as Wilder says. True champion would give Wilder the money he demands. Fact.

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How is Wilder less popular than Joshua?
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Because he's been promoted and managed poorly. And also because the Americans (quite rightly) set high standards about who they are going to hype up.

So nobody here has heard what Hearn is offering, Wilder has been public, Parker has been public, but you trust the guy that is always talking to the media but won’t say what he is offering? Think about that for a minute people

FTR I don’t care about Parker and don’t think Wilder deserves more than 40%(only due to his being the 2nd highest rated premium network fighter and AJ having terrible numbers). Just don’t trust someone who is always talking but won’t disclose his offers.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"It will be 50-50 or else we don't see a fight."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...medium=twitter


Some people try and blame Wilder by pointing out his biggest purse is 5% of Joshua's and has only one belt and is less famous. But that shit ain't the truth. If Joshua was true champion why ain't he fought in America yet? Scared. Just as Wilder says. True champion would give Wilder the money he demands. Fact.

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How is Wilder less popular than Joshua?
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Dunno man, dunno. Racism?


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They're negotiating. We're only getting one side of the negotiations. It'll happen eventually because Wilder wants the payday and it'll be about 60-40 to Joshua and it'll be in the UK because even Wilder wants it where it makes the most money. Wilder just better hope he doesn't lose in the meantime and his right hand holds up.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

It's not about the stadiums.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Exactly, it is not about the stadiums. In the 1700's the main source of entertainment was public hanging. An English crowd will watch anything as evidenced by Amir Kan allegedly frolicking in a jungle here in the 21st century. It is just gentlemanly to share the plunder.

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So true, so true.


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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

So nobody here has heard what Hearn is offering, Wilder has been public, Parker has been public, but you trust the guy that is always talking to the media but won’t say what he is offering? Think about that for a minute people

FTR I don’t care about Parker and don’t think Wilder deserves more than 40%(only due to his being the 2nd highest rated premium network fighter and AJ having terrible numbers). Just don’t trust someone who is always talking but won’t disclose his offers.

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Good point. The truth is out there. Trust no one.


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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

AJ definitely deserves more and a fair share more but I don’t understand those saying he is getting a following in the USA. He could get a following if he made the big fights, but he doesn’t currently have one, his numbers have been terrible.

Parker’s team says they offered 65 to AJ and a rematch clause for him and they wouldn’t take that either. Which, good, nobody cares about Parker, but it shows Wilder isn’t the only one struggling to come to terms with AJs people.

50/50 doesn’t work, what is the counter offer? If you don’t hear the counter offer someone is being sneaky. I’m genuinely asking, what is the counter offer? I haven’t heard one

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The trouble is 50/50 puts AJ as being worse off than he was in the Takam fight....by some distance. But it puts Wilder considerably more well off than it does if he fights the regular standard of Wilder opponent

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

So nobody here has heard what Hearn is offering, Wilder has been public, Parker has been public, but you trust the guy that is always talking to the media but won’t say what he is offering? Think about that for a minute people

FTR I don’t care about Parker and don’t think Wilder deserves more than 40%(only due to his being the 2nd highest rated premium network fighter and AJ having terrible numbers). Just don’t trust someone who is always talking but won’t disclose his offers.

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Hearn doesn't have to tell anyone what he's offering. Do you go round telling everyone what you earn or how much you give your missus for housekeeping? Infact, Parker and Wilder shouting off about what they've been offered makes the deal less likely.
If Parker or Wilder don't like the deal on offer, MAKE JOSHUA AN OFFER! But we know that's not gonna happen don't we?
None of These fighters are ducking each other, none of them are scared. It's just about Boxing politics, money and business.
If you had a business partnership with someone and generated 80% of the income, but were paid 50/50, it won't work for very long will it?

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

So nobody here has heard what Hearn is offering, Wilder has been public, Parker has been public, but you trust the guy that is always talking to the media but won’t say what he is offering? Think about that for a minute people

FTR I don’t care about Parker and don’t think Wilder deserves more than 40%(only due to his being the 2nd highest rated premium network fighter and AJ having terrible numbers). Just don’t trust someone who is always talking but won’t disclose his offers.

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Hearn doesn't have to tell anyone what he's offering. Do you go round telling everyone what you earn or how much you give your missus for housekeeping? Infact, Parker and Wilder shouting off about what they've been offered makes the deal less likely.
If Parker or Wilder don't like the deal on offer, MAKE JOSHUA AN OFFER! But we know that's not gonna happen don't we?
None of These fighters are ducking each other, none of them are scared. It's just about Boxing politics, money and business.
If you had a business partnership with someone and generated 80% of the income, but were paid 50/50, it won't work for very long will it?

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It strikes me that Wilder is really such a poor boxer, with nothing to attract a UK audience if he fights AJ here (or even in the US), that its not worth the risk for Hearn against a nutjob slugger. If he were to lose such a fight the title would be 'claimed' by US promoters who would just put Wilder or his successor up against stiffs, inside the US, forever, familiar? Hearn, Warren and Saurland can make better money out of keeping the title, or some titles, over here, and controlling the titles from within their own base in Europe, just like the Klits did. Sad but true but that is obviously the business side of it, unfortunately Joshua versus Chisora would probably give AJ as big a payday as Wilder. As I say sad but true, but that is business/politics. On the boxing side of it I think Joshua, Fury, Chisora, Price, White all have a good chance of beating Wilder, even Haye knows him well! I guess the intention is to keep him at arms length until his bubble bursts next year when the next US heavyweight hope schools him.

However it would be exciting to see 2 undefeated heavyweight champions fight one another to unify the titles.

It may not be Ali v Frazier magnitude but could be Holyfield v Bowe.