Vasyl Lomachenko
Terence Crawfoird
Canelo Alvarez
Keith Thurman
Gennady Golovkin
Mikey Garcia
Naoya Inoue
Sergey Kovalev
Errol Spence Jr
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Vasyl Lomachenko
Terence Crawfoird
Canelo Alvarez
Keith Thurman
Gennady Golovkin
Mikey Garcia
Naoya Inoue
Sergey Kovalev
Errol Spence Jr
Someone else, post his name
Crawford is still #1 for me. Loma is #2.
Vasyl Lomachenko - not there yet. He's beaten someone 2 weights below, now he has to move up.
Terence Crawford - No.1
Canelo Alvarez - hasn't done enough to dominate any division , let alone 2 yet.
Keith Thurman - hasn't done enough yet.
Gennady Golovkin - only one division, good champion, p4p? Meh.
Mikey Garcia - not yet.
Naoya Inoue - Good credentials , but doesn't get the recognition because the little guys never do.
Sergey Kovalev - No.2 . Yes he was exposed by Ward, but Ward was no.1. Nobody else has come near to causing him any problems.
Errol Spence Jr - not done enough yet. Could well be in the future.
Crawford v Spence jr. is the next big mega fight!
Loma has the strongest condensed resume as well as being visually the best.
Crawford has never faced an elite champion
Garcia similar to Crawford.
Those two are not even close to Loma.
You're wrong Fenster.
Loma has to wait in line..great fighter but not there yet.
If you don't believe me, why not ask loma who is P4P...?
http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenk...-pound--123194
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Originally Posted by imp
Loma decides who be P4P like Floyd is TBE because he says so.
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Loma hasn’t either. I guarantee that Crawford would absolutely destroy Loma at 140 just like Loma did to Rigo at 130. Crawford has proven over and over that he is the best. I’m not saying that Loma won’t take him over, but at the moment, Crawford is still #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Lomachenko looks like he can do everything whilst the other fighters, though excellent, seem a little bit more one dimensional. It's going to take a really strong effort to beat Lomachenko. He has a touch of Calzaghe about him with the workrate and refusal to give the other opponent a proper chance. The Rigo fight left a sour taste though. I didn't really understand why he was fighting such a small man nor felt the need to hit after the bell in a fight he was winning. His level of opposition is a bit mad, but he has spent so many years boxing it seems quite natural. Skill wise he is the best IMO. He flows very well. Very fluid.
Loma has beat better than Crawford.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherLoma hasn’t either. I guarantee that Crawford would absolutely destroy Loma at 140 just like Loma did to Rigo at 130. Crawford has proven over and over that he is the best. I’m not saying that Loma won’t take him over, but at the moment, Crawford is still #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Golovkin is in front of Crawford too. I guarantee that he would absolutely destroy Crawford at 160. He has proven over and over that he is the best.
Anyone rating Crawford no.1 is doing so because they're dazzled by bling. Simple as. I'm interested in substance.
This is getting silly.
Are we really putting Lomo above GGG?!
Being undefeated isn't everything but let's get real.
Floyd is gone and so is Ward.
The P4P title is up for grabs and it's pretty obvious that Crawford has filled that position..even Loma says so.
Just calm down, enjoy boxing and hopefully Crawford will loose to Spence to give your guy a chance.
In my opinion, even though lomo has already lost he has achieved so much in a short amount of time..let's see him step up to 140 and whoop and hopefully end Broners career.
Garcia number 1 for me. Crawford unified but it was a poor division. Garcia is a 3 weight world champ already and will add a fourth soon I think. Loma is 3rd for me.
Canelo GGG and Inoue the next 3
Look young matey, you need to calm down, if you can't handle Crawford not being no.1 that's maybe down to deeper issues that you need to address, however, it's all good in the hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Nobody rates Crawford no.1 - The Ring. ESPN. HBO. SKY. Boxing Monthly. Fact.
Stop the fake news.
Listen treacle,Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterLook young matey, you need to calm down, if you can't handle Crawford not being no.1 that's maybe down to deeper issues that you need to address, however, it's all good in the hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Nobody rates Crawford no.1 - The Ring. ESPN. HBO. SKY. Boxing Monthly. Fact.
Stop the fake news.
Why are you so obsessed with Loma being crowned P4P number 1?
I just showed you that Lomo himself has mentioned from his own mouth that Crawford is the top man.
In all honesty, I think it's way too soon to be crowning any of these guys P4P...look how long Ward had to wait for it and then he retired!
It's all hypothetical bullcrap anyway..everyone will always choose their favourites.
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Originally Posted by impListen treacle,Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterLook young matey, you need to calm down, if you can't handle Crawford not being no.1 that's maybe down to deeper issues that you need to address, however, it's all good in the hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Nobody rates Crawford no.1 - The Ring. ESPN. HBO. SKY. Boxing Monthly. Fact.
Stop the fake news.
Why are you so obsessed with Loma being crowned P4P number 1?
I just showed you that Lomo himself has mentioned from his own mouth that Crawford is the top man.
In all honesty, I think it's way too soon to be crowning any of these guys P4P...look how long Ward had to wait for it and then he retired!
It's all hypothetical bullcrap anyway..everyone will always choose their favourites.
Listen bruv, you be obsessed with P4P for your favourites, not me. Lets just pretend Loma doesn't exist. Whatever makes you happy matey.
Golovkin is P4P no.1.
Garcia?
Inoue?
They be undefeated. They have multi titles. They beat better names than Crawford. Stop hatering my matey. Stop hatering.
Fenster,
When Floyd and Ward were around who was on top of your P4P list then?
Floyd and Ward?Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
For me it would be a tie between Loma, Crawford and Mikey García just by how superior they look against anybody they have faced.
On the other hand though, why is Rigo suddenly off the list just because he lost to a bigger (and better) man?
If it was just down to being outclassed by Loma, rather than age catching up last night, how is he somehow rated below Thurman or Canelo?
Crawford has beaten tons of good fighters. He has dominated too. He has shown that he can do just about everything in the ring. His biggest weakness is probably inside fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterLoma has beat better than Crawford.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherLoma hasn’t either. I guarantee that Crawford would absolutely destroy Loma at 140 just like Loma did to Rigo at 130. Crawford has proven over and over that he is the best. I’m not saying that Loma won’t take him over, but at the moment, Crawford is still #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Golovkin is in front of Crawford too. I guarantee that he would absolutely destroy Crawford at 160. He has proven over and over that he is the best.
Anyone rating Crawford no.1 is doing so because they're dazzled by bling. Simple as. I'm interested in substance.
I don’t buy that Loma has beaten better opposition. Crawford has more solid fights in his career than Loma even has fights. And I’m not that impressed by GGG. He is obviously good but not #1 p4p good. If he were better than Crawford, he would have won every round against Canelo.
Winning every round against Canelo would not guarantee anything.
Canelo will never be considered P4P until he at least beats GGG and BJS.
@Fenster, if you don't mind me saying so, in the last couple of weeks , your style of writing has gone very "Street Bro" and "down with the kids".Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by impListen treacle,Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterLook young matey, you need to calm down, if you can't handle Crawford not being no.1 that's maybe down to deeper issues that you need to address, however, it's all good in the hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Nobody rates Crawford no.1 - The Ring. ESPN. HBO. SKY. Boxing Monthly. Fact.
Stop the fake news.
Why are you so obsessed with Loma being crowned P4P number 1?
I just showed you that Lomo himself has mentioned from his own mouth that Crawford is the top man.
In all honesty, I think it's way too soon to be crowning any of these guys P4P...look how long Ward had to wait for it and then he retired!
It's all hypothetical bullcrap anyway..everyone will always choose their favourites.
Listen bruv, you be obsessed with P4P for your favourites, not me. Lets just pretend Loma doesn't exist. Whatever makes you happy matey.
Golovkin is P4P no.1.
Garcia?
Inoue?
They be undefeated. They have multi titles. They beat better names than Crawford. Stop hatering my matey. Stop hatering.
Before this, your style of writing was very "Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins" Style. And you always used to make very brief succinct points.
e.g. New Style - "Listen Bruv, you be obsessed ........ Stop hatering."
Old Style - He took one on the snotter and then on his bonce.
it's almost like someone has hacked your account. (I reckon it's ever since you ditched the Charles Bronson pic.)
Just an observation.;)
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFloyd and Ward?Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Think it is do to not being active anymore and his age not sure he is even going to fight anymore if he comes back wins a fight he will be back up in the ratings i am pretty sure of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goti71
Guess for pound for pound it would have to be Crawford or Lamo those are the only options you can look at. Maybe might see them in ring i am not sure how much Loma cuts maybe he can make 140 Garcia did it and was ok.
This. How can anyone, even off of last night's performance from Loma, have him ahead of Crawford- AFTER ALL OF WHAT CRAWFORD HAS DONE- is just disrespectful.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Let us not forget Loma lost to Salido. Let us not forget Crawford fights more top tier opponents and opposition. Let us not forget that Crawford unified the belts, the first guy to do so in over 10 years!
it's the auto-correct, helps me fit in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera@Fenster, if you don't mind me saying so, in the last couple of weeks , your style of writing has gone very "Street Bro" and "down with the kids".Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by impListen treacle,Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterLook young matey, you need to calm down, if you can't handle Crawford not being no.1 that's maybe down to deeper issues that you need to address, however, it's all good in the hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Nobody rates Crawford no.1 - The Ring. ESPN. HBO. SKY. Boxing Monthly. Fact.
Stop the fake news.
Why are you so obsessed with Loma being crowned P4P number 1?
I just showed you that Lomo himself has mentioned from his own mouth that Crawford is the top man.
In all honesty, I think it's way too soon to be crowning any of these guys P4P...look how long Ward had to wait for it and then he retired!
It's all hypothetical bullcrap anyway..everyone will always choose their favourites.
Listen bruv, you be obsessed with P4P for your favourites, not me. Lets just pretend Loma doesn't exist. Whatever makes you happy matey.
Golovkin is P4P no.1.
Garcia?
Inoue?
They be undefeated. They have multi titles. They beat better names than Crawford. Stop hatering my matey. Stop hatering.
Before this, your style of writing was very "Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins" Style. And you always used to make very brief succinct points.
e.g. New Style - "Listen Bruv, you be obsessed ........ Stop hatering."
Old Style - He took one on the snotter and then on his bonce.
it's almost like someone has hacked your account. (I reckon it's ever since you ditched the Charles Bronson pic.)
Just an observation.;)
If Golovkin was better than Crawford he would have beat Canelo 12-0? Damn... cool argument, bro, cool argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherCrawford has beaten tons of good fighters. He has dominated too. He has shown that he can do just about everything in the ring. His biggest weakness is probably inside fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterLoma has beat better than Crawford.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherLoma hasn’t either. I guarantee that Crawford would absolutely destroy Loma at 140 just like Loma did to Rigo at 130. Crawford has proven over and over that he is the best. I’m not saying that Loma won’t take him over, but at the moment, Crawford is still #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Golovkin is in front of Crawford too. I guarantee that he would absolutely destroy Crawford at 160. He has proven over and over that he is the best.
Anyone rating Crawford no.1 is doing so because they're dazzled by bling. Simple as. I'm interested in substance.
I don’t buy that Loma has beaten better opposition. Crawford has more solid fights in his career than Loma even has fights. And I’m not that impressed by GGG. He is obviously good but not #1 p4p good. If he were better than Crawford, he would have won every round against Canelo.
I'm not selling anything for you to buy, scream Crawford is the best all you like, It wont change the fact Loma is P4P no.1. Fact. Or Golovkin. Fact.
Since when did you guys decide who was the best.
The truth is obvious.
Huh? So my arguments that Crawford has fought better opposition is dumb yet you are allowed to say Loma and GGG are better than Crawford. Fact. I think you are confused with what a fact is. You have literally made no argument and just called my stupid. I think you need to rethink what you wrote. I’ll give you another try to not look ignorant because I know you are better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIf Golovkin was better than Crawford he would have beat Canelo 12-0? Damn... cool argument, bro, cool argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherCrawford has beaten tons of good fighters. He has dominated too. He has shown that he can do just about everything in the ring. His biggest weakness is probably inside fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterLoma has beat better than Crawford.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherLoma hasn’t either. I guarantee that Crawford would absolutely destroy Loma at 140 just like Loma did to Rigo at 130. Crawford has proven over and over that he is the best. I’m not saying that Loma won’t take him over, but at the moment, Crawford is still #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Golovkin is in front of Crawford too. I guarantee that he would absolutely destroy Crawford at 160. He has proven over and over that he is the best.
Anyone rating Crawford no.1 is doing so because they're dazzled by bling. Simple as. I'm interested in substance.
I don’t buy that Loma has beaten better opposition. Crawford has more solid fights in his career than Loma even has fights. And I’m not that impressed by GGG. He is obviously good but not #1 p4p good. If he were better than Crawford, he would have won every round against Canelo.
I'm not selling anything for you to buy, scream Crawford is the best all you like, It wont change the fact Loma is P4P no.1. Fact. Or Golovkin. Fact.
Since when did you guys decide who was the best.
The truth is obvious.
I think you're confused, bro, I didn't call you anything, I even praised you for your great debate skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherHuh? So my arguments that Crawford has fought better opposition is dumb yet you are allowed to say Loma and GGG are better than Crawford. Fact. I think you are confused with what a fact is. You have literally made no argument and just called my stupid. I think you need to rethink what you wrote. I’ll give you another try to not look ignorant because I know you are better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIf Golovkin was better than Crawford he would have beat Canelo 12-0? Damn... cool argument, bro, cool argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherCrawford has beaten tons of good fighters. He has dominated too. He has shown that he can do just about everything in the ring. His biggest weakness is probably inside fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterLoma has beat better than Crawford.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherLoma hasn’t either. I guarantee that Crawford would absolutely destroy Loma at 140 just like Loma did to Rigo at 130. Crawford has proven over and over that he is the best. I’m not saying that Loma won’t take him over, but at the moment, Crawford is still #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Golovkin is in front of Crawford too. I guarantee that he would absolutely destroy Crawford at 160. He has proven over and over that he is the best.
Anyone rating Crawford no.1 is doing so because they're dazzled by bling. Simple as. I'm interested in substance.
I don’t buy that Loma has beaten better opposition. Crawford has more solid fights in his career than Loma even has fights. And I’m not that impressed by GGG. He is obviously good but not #1 p4p good. If he were better than Crawford, he would have won every round against Canelo.
I'm not selling anything for you to buy, scream Crawford is the best all you like, It wont change the fact Loma is P4P no.1. Fact. Or Golovkin. Fact.
Since when did you guys decide who was the best.
The truth is obvious.
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Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Okay. So you have no argument. No problem
Your argument that Loma isn't best because I wrong is right. I rethink Golovkin not winning Canelo every round. And never bested all rounds over Jacobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Crawford winned Ricky Burns all rounds. And Pistol.
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Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I have no idea what you just wrote. I’m unsure if it was incoherent on purpose, you are drunk, or a lot of autocorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYour argument that Loma isn't best because I wrong is right. I rethink Golovkin not winning Canelo every round. And never bested all rounds over Jacobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Crawford winned Ricky Burns all rounds. And Pistol.
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Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Crawford for me but we all know p4p has more personalities than the ex and her cat combined. For Loma I clearly see the talent overload and rate Russell Jr, Rigo and Walters as top scalp wins. I also see Crawford with...to meeee...more diverse skill set and three times the fights as well as advancing now 3 divisions. You can let all the trinkets fall out of the gumball machine you want, we all know you can grow them on trees. Crawford is a self made man lets be honest no spoon feeding here and now steps into a 147 division brimming over. Is there any question that he beats or at the very least runs even..*Spence only.. with anyone there??? He is digging up to fellow p4ps while Loma literally stacked Rigo on stilts to claim his 'mega fight'. I just look forward to Crawford more I spose. Fook I hate p4p
Its mad the debate here. P4P seems to be designated with who fighters like rather than how good they are and unfortunately it comes across as race being the main problem most fans have with another fighter. Do you guys not see the hypocrisy in a lot of your arguments and see it makes you come across as racist twats? No doubt I do to at times but will try stay out of arguments along those lines in future. From looking at Fensters comments recent Id say hes pretty fed up with the rubbish debates on here lately
Somehow not having Crawford as number 1 is disrespectful to his achievements? He unified a very poor division. IF GGG unified middleweight would you have him as P4P number 1? I certainly wouldnt given how bad the middleweight is. Does unifying actually matter anyway? GGG has got so much grief for trying to unify MW and not moving up should Crawford not have got the same criticism after winning a title at the weight and not moving up? Finally does anyone think that Loma or Garcia or Inoue or Rigo at Bantom or Usyk couldnt unify their divisions if given the chance?
Crawford has had 32 fights and by my reckoning he has never fought a really elite opponent. He has fought maybe 5 or 6 world level opponents but his resume is nothing special. Loma has had 11 fights, won titles in 2 weight classes and fought 1 elite fighter (although weight advantage made the fight a farce) and has also fought 6 world level opponents (although he lost to one of them).
I’m not sure what you were reading if people made it sound like p4p was just their favorite fighter or that people were racist because they put certain fighters #1. I feel like that’s you having preconceived notions about what people think.
I have no problem with someone putting Loma #1 but I think that Crawford definitely deserves it. I’m always up for a debate but some people can’t argue their point and try to make the other poster look stupid rather than argue their own point.
Not all on this thread but if you’ve been on this site and can’t see guys contradicting themselves when talking about fighters they like and fighters they don’t like I think it’s pretty clear.
There are always some people on every message board who I don’t really count their opinion as valid.
Yes, mate, when people are totally unaware of their own hypocrisy and inconsistencies whilst portraying blind arrogance they deserve contempt. There's only so much dumbing down until it's not worth it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Crawford to me has just as many good wins i mean not to mention he has destroyed all the champs in division with bigger talent pools. I have not seen a man hold so many belts at a time since Jones and Hopkins where in prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Those rankings are bollocks imo. But then again, so is the whole p4p thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom