P4P .... Who wins? How does the fight play out? Usually id put an opinion but i really have no idea here!
If it was 15 rounds does this make it more in Jones favour?
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P4P .... Who wins? How does the fight play out? Usually id put an opinion but i really have no idea here!
If it was 15 rounds does this make it more in Jones favour?
Hearns KO 1 as he did James Shuler.
Hearns only lost to the greatest fighters at his very best.
I think Roy lasts a little longer, but yes he loses by KO. P4P, Roy would be respectful of Hearns' lights-out power and would likely try and win a boxing match. Sooner or later though, that carelessness he showed sometimes would betray him, and Hearns would catch him.
Bit harsh on Roy isn't it ? Who EVER KO'd Roy in round 1 when he was at his peak?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I thought he meant Junior Jones!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBit harsh on Roy isn't it ? Who EVER KO'd Roy in round 1 when he was at his peak?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
There is another thread on Roy Jones Jr. ;D
Another interesting fight. Roy struggled a bit with Harding and Tarver, largely due to their boxing skills and great jabs. Hearns was a master boxer and scary puncher, but he could get caught and hurt himself (Barkley, Leonard, Hagler...etc.). I lean ever so slightly to Hearns in this one, but can see Roy breaking through with a hard counter and winning the fight.
I see Hearns right hand landing Glenn Johnson style.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Thought it was Junior Jones too ;D. Ironically he had tons of that Hearns comparison heaped on him early. I like Hearns punching harder and straighter than Roy and time the reflexes.
@Master mate, don't do that :thumb:
I can see that. I can also see Roy landing s big left hook like Barkley did. As I said, it’s a great match up. Hearns vs Toney and McAllum are equally fascinating for me. Tommy was just enough monster, just enough skill, just enough talent, and just enough vulnerable to make any fight vs formidable comp exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI see Hearns right hand landing Glenn Johnson style.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
McCallum trained at the Kronk and wanted Duran. The story goes Manny Steward saved him for Hearns which the body snatcher resented and left them. I am sure McCallum and Hearns must have sparred. That would have been brilliant to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI can see that. I can also see Roy landing s big left hook like Barkley did. As I said, it’s a great match up. Hearns vs Toney and McAllum are equally fascinating for me. Tommy was just enough monster, just enough skill, just enough talent, and just enough vulnerable to make any fight vs formidable comp exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI see Hearns right hand landing Glenn Johnson style.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Hearns was great. Roy was the greatest. He wouldn’t have lost to a blown up welter or been hit by that lethal right hand.
P4p would be Hearns at welterweight carrying his height and reach advantages to supermiddle with the right hand power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Doug Dewitt took it well at super middle. I’d imagine Roy facing him there or more likely light heavy. Regardless, all time Roy is greater. Hearns was much more hitable in his prime than Roy was in his. Also couldn’t take roy’s power imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterP4p would be Hearns at welterweight carrying his height and reach advantages to supermiddle with the right hand power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I said P4P Hearns would beat Roy. Tommy went through the weights with ease but at Roy Jones weight then he would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkDoug Dewitt took it well at super middle. I’d imagine Roy facing him there or more likely light heavy. Regardless, all time Roy is greater. Hearns was much more hitable in his prime than Roy was in his. Also couldn’t take roy’s power imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterP4p would be Hearns at welterweight carrying his height and reach advantages to supermiddle with the right hand power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
The shrinking them down n modifying attributes accordingly is a crazy way to look at it imo. I’ve always seen P4P as who is currently the very best boxer overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI said P4P Hearns would beat Roy. Tommy went through the weights with ease but at Roy Jones weight then he would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkDoug Dewitt took it well at super middle. I’d imagine Roy facing him there or more likely light heavy. Regardless, all time Roy is greater. Hearns was much more hitable in his prime than Roy was in his. Also couldn’t take roy’s power imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterP4p would be Hearns at welterweight carrying his height and reach advantages to supermiddle with the right hand power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
The Jones that struggled with Tarver and Johnson was not a prime Jones. The harding fight I'd hardly call a struggle just because he didn't obliterate him the way he did others. It was a mismatch by any other fighters standards, only a "struggle" when compared to Roys performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI see Hearns right hand landing Glenn Johnson style.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
As much as I like the hitman, a Prime Roy Jones knocks Tommy out. No doubt about it. He was way too fast, way to strong to fight welterweights. And personally, idk that too many boxers in history beat a prime jones, especially anyone under 175. Even if we "adjust" the attributes, Tommy gets slower, and isn't landing that right at all, Roy on the other hand was fast all the way up to 175. Arguably hit way harder too, especially because he had power in every punch.
Jr as he would be the naturally the bigger man but I never seen Hearns being outboxed a difficult PICK.!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
That is all true but p4p Hearns is probably the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4lifeThe Jones that struggled with Tarver and Johnson was not a prime Jones. The harding fight I'd hardly call a struggle just because he didn't obliterate him the way he did others. It was a mismatch by any other fighters standards, only a "struggle" when compared to Roys performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI see Hearns right hand landing Glenn Johnson style.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
As much as I like the hitman, a Prime Roy Jones knocks Tommy out. No doubt about it. He was way too fast, way to strong to fight welterweights. And personally, idk that too many boxers in history beat a prime jones, especially anyone under 175. Even if we "adjust" the attributes, Tommy gets slower, and isn't landing that right at all, Roy on the other hand was fast all the way up to 175. Arguably hit way harder too, especially because he had power in every punch.
Hearns ko 2
If they fought in the real world from middle-to-lightheavy I strongly favour Roy to sparko Hearns. I can envisage the right hand counter or leaping left hook that dumps Hearns on his arse. It would've looked like Roy-Hall, except Hearns doesn't get out the round.