Of course, AJ has to get through Parker, but the pressure has now shifted.
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Of course, AJ has to get through Parker, but the pressure has now shifted.
NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
AJ is the A side no matter what because he is much more popular. At the moment, I think it’s a toss up fight though.
Only in Wilders warped and egotistical bomb squad mind. In reality he has scrapped past a lot of his defences against relatively poor opponents and been lucky to hold on to his titles.
Joshua is clearly the #1 heavyweight, and will absolutely destroy Wilder, if The Windmiller is ever brave enough to step into the ring with him. He's the real deal, a true elite heavyweight who fights the best prime heavyweights (such as Parker). He'll soon have unified three world titles.
Wilder, in contrast, is a deeply flawed boxer who has fought only old men, shot boxers and journeymen. Poor old out-of-shape Ortiz was not even cleared to fight until Friday due to high blood pressure.
This guy still gets no credit? Come on, he showed that he could survive an onslaught from a brutal closer--and then he showed that he could be the very best closer in boxing. I think (and I'm included in this) that we have to compartmentalize his loud mouth and focus on his 40-0 record. And like I said, if he hits anyone out there with one of his straight right, he can knock them out--anyone!!
What did Wilder show that he has already not shown? Sure that was Wilder's best opponent but he showed he has heart,courage and can punch already. His boxing skills are poor for someone that has achieved what Wilder has done so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Bad boxing skills = 40-0
Yes, exactly. A long time since I have seen an undefeated world champion with a number of title defences look so vulnerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I’ll give him credit. He’s 40-0, he’s champion, he can take a punch and he has power. He certainly stands a chance , but his work is Wild an he has long levers on those windmill punches, and because of this, his balance is absolutely awful. Just imagine how much power he would have if he learned how to box and punch properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
It’s the Heavyweights and they can all knock each other out if they connect on the button . But there is more chance of that if you’re timing is good.
I just think that when Wilder unleashes, he’ll get plugged off balance and it’ll all go wrong.
It’s funny, and just goes to show where we are at, when we’re saying Joshua’s technique is an advantage against another World Chanpion.
Good stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI’ll give him credit. He’s 40-0, he’s champion, he can take a punch and he has power. He certainly stands a chance , but his work is Wild an he has long levers on those windmill punches, and because of this, his balance is absolutely awful. Just imagine how much power he would have if he learned how to box and punch properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
It’s the Heavyweights and they can all knock each other out if they connect on the button . But there is more chance of that if you’re timing is good.
I just think that when Wilder unleashes, he’ll get plugged off balance and it’ll all go wrong.
It’s funny, and just goes to show where we are at, when we’re saying Joshua’s technique is an advantage against another World
Chanpion.
You are aware Wilder has been quite clear he wants the fight and Eddie and AJ have been quite clear they don't right? Even to the point of being caught lying and then doing exactly what I said they would do months before they did it. Exactly what Eddie told everyone they would do. Before he lied because people didn't like his plan. He still stuck to his plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
AN is the best but they want no risk before collecting collecting collecting collecting collecting. As Eddie said if people would listen.
First good to see you around bud. Wilder finally had a solid tough heavyweight fight with a guy who didn't come in to fall down. That's the jist of it and while he rose to the occasion and did show brass and heart, did show a never say die attitude and he did show that short circuiting eraser right hand..it is only more noticeable and note worthy because he so desperately lacked it prior. What other heavyweight, let alone a title holder, has his first back and forth acid test come in his 40th fight? Honestly the best thing for Wilder is that fans don't focus on his first 32 fights. Nikolay Valuev managed a 48-0 tag with more opponent padding than a mattress factory. He is very much in the uphill climb of learning on the job and in the moment with another legit heavyweight trying to and almost succeeding in taking his head off now. I actually did gain some respect for both he and Ortiz last night but we're not far removed from a decade when well, that's what heavyweights did. They faced tough comp and fights early in careers before titles came into the picture and sorted it out with room for lessons to carry forward. With every fight Wilders flaws and flailing gumby follow up attack on are display as much as his right hand. Best closer in boxing ;D. Wilder does deserve credit for maximizing his strengths and fire but AJ was featured on the same US channels he has been and took his acid test with one of the more dominate champs on an era. I think he holds the cards here and even more so should he unify.
Ok, the heading of this thread is “whether Wilder is suddenly the A side”. It’s not “is AJ or Hearn scared of Wilder.” It’s not “He said,she said.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonYou are aware Wilder has been quite clear he wants the fight and Eddie and AJ have been quite clear they don't right? Even to the point of being caught lying and then doing exactly what I said they would do months before they did it. Exactly what Eddie told everyone they would do. Before he lied because people didn't like his plan. He still stuck to his plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
AN is the best but they want no risk before collecting collecting collecting collecting collecting. As Eddie said if people would listen.
Because Wilder “wants the fight”, does that mean he wins it does it? I have heard Joshua and Hearn say “the fight will happen in 2018.”
At the end of the day, if Wilder “wants the fight” and is the “A side” and “wants a 50/50 spilt” and “wants the fight in the U.S.” (excuse all the speech marks) , then fine. All he needs to do is get his people to put a better proposition on the table than Joshua’s people have put to him.
Like that’s gonna happen!
That’s Boxing business at the end of the day whether we like it or not.
I don't think AJ could have knocked Ortiz down, much less knock him out. But, AJ is the crowd favorite. But Wilder is the better more tougher specimen.
Wilder sparks AJ within 10, maybe sooner.
Sad fact is there is no need, aside for pride, for AJ to fight Wilder. AJ made over $28 mil in his fight against Wladimir and just about the same for his fight against Takam. Wilder just barely cleared $2 mil for his fight against Ortiz. So, AJ can make money regardless. Wilder is the guy who has to show the fans who the real champion is.
A fight with Wilder and AJ in Europe would probably make a helluva lot of money.
Wilder is still not the A-side but he definitely improved his standing in the negotiation side of things.
I haven’t changed my stance. The purse should be split 50/50 and it should be fought in the UK. AJ really isn’t that great either. He isn’t bad, but I haven’t ever been super impressed by his skills. Maybe he will prove me wrong, but at the moment, I feel like he is basically on the same level as Wilder.
I don't care about A side. I want to see the fight. So if people ignore that Eddie said "I don't want the fight this year but the fans may demand it" and Wilder begs for it and fans blame Wilder, that gives Eddie what he flat said he wants. Eddie has his out. Fans need to demand it by Eddie's own words. And if fans demand and Eddie agreed to it I think we all know it happens. Because Deontay can't make AJ money with anyone but AJ. AJ can get rich fighting anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOk, the heading of this thread is “whether Wilder is suddenly the A side”. It’s not “is AJ or Hearn scared of Wilder.” It’s not “He said,she said.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonYou are aware Wilder has been quite clear he wants the fight and Eddie and AJ have been quite clear they don't right? Even to the point of being caught lying and then doing exactly what I said they would do months before they did it. Exactly what Eddie told everyone they would do. Before he lied because people didn't like his plan. He still stuck to his plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
AN is the best but they want no risk before collecting collecting collecting collecting collecting. As Eddie said if people would listen.
Because Wilder “wants the fight”, does that mean he wins it does it? I have heard Joshua and Hearn say “the fight will happen in 2018.”
At the end of the day, if Wilder “wants the fight” and is the “A side” and “wants a 50/50 spilt” and “wants the fight in the U.S.” (excuse all the speech marks) , then fine. All he needs to do is get his people to put a better proposition on the table than Joshua’s people have put to him.
Like that’s gonna happen!
That’s Boxing business at the end of the day whether we like it or not.
I don't think highly of Wilder, I just want to see the fight. Autocorrect switched my comment AJ is the best to AN is the best, I would edit it but when I edit for some reason my posts disappear so I left it as is.
Understand while I say AJ is the best and I firmly believe that, Wilder is easily the biggest threat to him because of that eraser. He only needs one. I think AJ takes Wilder out but maybe Wilder lands that one. And then those easy 25 million dollar become easy 10 million dollar fights(or whatever silly numbers he's making, point being they drop precipitously)
Joshua only gets those purses because the Brits will watch anything. They watch Coronation Street. They watch Big Brother. They buy Ed Sheeran albums. There is no accounting for taste. Wilder flattens him in 4.
Wilder can never be the A side.
He might own the best belt but AJ might own all the others in a month.
Wilder still has an issue with his boxing..a bit like Eubank JR but unlike JR..wilder has KO power.
AJ should continue to rack up wins and arrange the fight in late 2019..in that time Fury would have had a few fights and would be ready for both.
Fury is the best boxer.
Wilder has the best power.
AJ is a mixture of the two.
Depends on what Fury comes back but I see him as the real threat with his whiskers being the real test for 12 rounds.
Fuck all wrong with Ed Sheeran!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Joshua gets all those purses because your wives, birds and boyfriends secretly want to be fucked by him. Same as with Haye and Ali. My mate MC calls it the "jungle effect" (he doesn't seem to realise it's a bit racist considering black women want him to fuck them too).
Big, strong, handsome, hunky, successful rich black men. Men like them for their sport whilst women fantasise over what Joshua will do to them. So everyone tunes in. Jackpot.
Galway Girl is just wrong. What kind of tune is that? He will be guesting on the next Lady Gaga album knowing him. Yuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraFuck all wrong with Ed Sheeran!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Wow, I never knew that women were the ones buying all the fights because they want to be screwed by black men. Excellent analysis Fenster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
This is what happens when you keep putting extremist right wing links on here. It is bound to affect us sooner or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWow, I never knew that women were the ones buying all the fights because they want to be screwed by black men. Excellent analysis Fenster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
It's been proved Joshua has the highest number of female ticket buyers/viewers/fans in boxing, destroys everyone else barring Haye.
I have no real idea why females love watching Joshua, maybe it's because he plays the nice guy role so well, or maybe because he's a vicious sparko machine, however, my mate MC thinks it's because they want a bit of "jungle." Whenever he breaks up with a bird he always tells me - "she just wanted a bit of jungle, Fen."
MC isn't a member here and hates extremist right wingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThis is what happens when you keep putting extremist right wing links on here. It is bound to affect us sooner or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWow, I never knew that women were the ones buying all the fights because they want to be screwed by black men. Excellent analysis Fenster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Anthony Joshua still beats Wilder because 1. He has better style technique and 2. He's not going to be winging out arm punches like Ortiz did. Ortiz should have had Wilder done and dusted but he just didn't have the pop in his punches, maybe he's off the juice, maybe he's old, but he had the opportunity to end it and he didn't.
What's right wing about Fenster laying out his friend's good old fashioned racism? I mean he's a Mod here, if anyone is to dictate the tone of the forum it's the Mods. :appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThis is what happens when you keep putting extremist right wing links on here. It is bound to affect us sooner or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWow, I never knew that women were the ones buying all the fights because they want to be screwed by black men. Excellent analysis Fenster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Here is the thing. Wilder fought who everyone considered a real threat and still won. I feel like people just keep discrediting him. I definitely agree that he lacks tons of skill, but he has passed every test to at least prove that he belongs with AJ. AJ to me hasn’t really proven much more than Wilder.
AJ beat Wladimir Klitschko...like it or not that means a great deal more than a decision over Stiverne or this win over Ortiz. AJ also got up to win, that's a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I never rated Wlad that highly so to me it’s a solid win for sure and better than the Ortiz win, but not enough to prove that AJ is on another level. Honestly, I think that Wilder could have beaten Wlad too at that time. We will never know though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ beat Wladimir Klitschko...like it or not that means a great deal more than a decision over Stiverne or this win over Ortiz. AJ also got up to win, that's a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
2nd longest reigning heavyweight champion EVER and it's not a big deal to beat him? OK to each their own. As an American I'd love to see the belts back here in the states and there be another fighter to get excited about. Wilder could very well be that guy, but I just think AJ is more polished and in a fight I trust the person who takes the time to aim rather than the person who fires off wildly from the hip.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI never rated Wlad that highly so to me it’s a solid win for sure and better than the Ortiz win, but not enough to prove that AJ is on another level. Honestly, I think that Wilder could have beaten Wlad too at that time. We will never know though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAJ beat Wladimir Klitschko...like it or not that means a great deal more than a decision over Stiverne or this win over Ortiz. AJ also got up to win, that's a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
The main issue for us as fans is the AJ-Wilder fight MUST happen and it MUST happen immediately like the entire sport off boxing depends on it. Undefeated vs Undefeated giant vs giant power vs power these kind of fights must happen if boxing is to remain relevant otherwise why fucking watch the sport. I think it could be an amazing event especially if they can piggy back some other top notch fights on that card to make it a once in a lifetime event as it should be.
AJ brings way more money than Wilder and has more belts so AJ is the A side no question.
This could be over in a few rounds when it happens and for me it's 50 - 50 who wins.
Might come down to who can climb off the floor and keep on going, this could be a real Heavyweight classic
I agree its 50/50 I constantly make an argument for one to win it and then counter it with an argument for how the other can win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I do think though that when one of them get hit they will stay hit, when AJ was dropped and when Wilder was hurt the old men didn't have the energy to finish it, that won't be the case in this fight, as soon as one of them it in danger it will be finished pretty sharpish I reckon.
Spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI agree its 50/50 I constantly make an argument for one to win it and then counter it with an argument for how the other can win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I do think though that when one of them get hit they will stay hit, when AJ was dropped and when Wilder was hurt the old men didn't have the energy to finish it, that won't be the case in this fight, as soon as one of them it in danger it will be finished pretty sharpish I reckon.
Bit of an odd thing to say, Master. I do not identify with the extreme right. It is the extreme wrong that I have a problem with.
My issue with Joshua is that he is pampered and protected. Beating a beaten Wlad of 40 fresh off a layoff and a loss isn't the big deal it is made out to be. I want to see him in with an undefeated, fresh lion and my hunch is that he comes unstuck.
I like Wilder. He is lippy but from the heart. I like the lack of media training, he seems like he is for real. He has also shown a refusal to be beaten and think that heart runs deep. He's hungry and will tear Joshua up. He will unleash the windmill as Joshua gases and he always gasses.
Ignore Master, he has no understanding of context, nuance, sublte sarcasm or humour. Keep it on topic @Master
Wilder-Joshua popularity?
A-side-B-side?
$2m-vs-$25m?
8000-vs-80,000 tickets?
Zero PPV-vs-3 million PPV sales?
Klitschko-Ortiz?
I wouldn't like to put all my money on the outcome of this fight , everybody keeps saying how poor Wilder is but he keeps on winning .
He is sharp all be it unorthodox , but his power is deadly.
I will pay to see the outcome for sure.
The only way Wilder has a sniff of getting close to being 'The A side' is in a rematch after he absolutely clatters Joshua in a first fight. Even then the best he can hope for is 50/50. I'm not sure why people think beating Ortiz changes anything?
True but I'd posit that the opposition he has faced has provided him the opportunity to be caught in certain situations yet recover. Someone will capitalize on his mistakes in the future...I'm thinking Anthony Joshua is that dude, but we will see the fight HAS to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
As a boxing fan I just want the fight to happen as soon as possible. We're past the up & comer stage, we're past the challenger stage, we're champion vs champion right now and the fight is not going to get any bigger than what we have right now. Make the fight right now or this fight spoils on the vine like so many before it. This is a golden opportunity for boxing to get back into the mix of things, be more relevant have some brand names out there!
If this fight happens before 2020 I'll be shocked.