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... because the only ones that get hurt are the guys who try to stay clean. A whoop-ass is a whoop-ass. You still get a loss, if anything a No Contest. But it is the fight game and it is dangerous, so let us just assume you know what you want to do with your body. Also, let us assume that everyone is on some type of something. Also, let us just admit that they probably need something at that level if everyone else is expected to be on some type of stuff or not.
This is stupid.
Let them break the law, stupid
I mean this in the nicest possible way you can say something is stupid. Like, not saying you’re stupid. Just that this idea is stupid.
Errrr yeah but no, this just encourages guys to push it further, sure some kinds of doping in the right environment would be perfectly healthy (for the doper) , making it all legal would make it an arms race for who would push it the furthest and that leads to geezers really fucking themselves up and maybe even dropping dead.... but it is the standard hipster "shock" post from OP so I agree !
Canelo did it ! Lets all do it!
I think the issue with it is 1. there are different type of "juice" and 2. What about the fighters who dont want to risk their health? Do they just start their own no juice league?
Silly idea and no one would want to watch these mutations.
Can you really call it a sport then? Because it doesn't come down to skills, strategy or ability. Just who can afford the best steroids or whose mixing the best cocktails in their camp. Every fight would honestly be billed Conte vs Heredia or Ariza..
Lets say you have someone like Chavez Jr. who was light on skill, but his pockets were padded and he had the backing of a major promoter that could juice him to the gills. Then you had someone who was a skilled middleweight but couldn't afford the juice. Would you feed this kid to the juicer so he could possible sustain a career ending injury because he couldn't hurt his opponent, couldn't outrun him because the juicer also has above average stamina, and even blocked punches jarred him to his bones.
If you're suggesting every fighter have access to the same illegal PED's then not only are you enabling fighters to commit murder, you're also suggesting the country be part of it. From the govt who doesn't shut the whole thing down to the audience that pays to see it.... because whether you realize it or not, the end game is just a live, glorified snuff film. A dog fight essentially, where people wont settle for less than seeing the full potential of these PED's. Whether that's punching someone directly in the heart and watching them die from cardiac arrest or punching someone so hard on the button that you snap his neck or detach both retinas with a single swing causing blindness.
Not to mention that these fighters are having kids which could be born with a whole range of birth defects and physical disorders.
You've really outdone yourself here bud ;D. Boxing's already dangerous enough with any number of individuals deciding your immediate fate. Refs, judges, corner men and an opponent who has a vested interest in hitting you more and hitting you harder. A favorite (what's the percentage of guys busted already being the favorite) looks to already have a stacked deck vs opponent without coming in juiced up. What next..just let fighters decide if they want to make a contracted weight limit or not but still allowing them to fight and reap rewards :cwm13:.
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Originally Posted by Master
PEDs for everyone would be taking it too far tho. At the moment tho it's not really a fair playing field either.
Everyone needs to get on the same page, random year round testing, hair testing is supposed to be the best I hear. Bans for those that fail regardless of excuse.
Let's face it: The controlled substance issues are out of control in boxing. Everyone who can gets by it. If you have moderate skill and your trainers see it, they would be wise to put you on a regimen.
I know of no premier athlete that has not been on or is not on something or the other. We are deluding ourselves if we feel otherwise.
This is not about Canelo, but the prevailing issues around the sport that simply cannot be enforced and will never truly go away.
I would prefer a poor but moderately skilled fighter having a little juice, going up against a skilled fighter who is on a lot of juice and the money to mask his juicing, OVER A poor but moderately skilled fighter having NO JUICE going up against that skilled, juiced up fighter.
While skills determine fights, we have to assume that juicing does little to determine the outcome- if that is the logical case, then why are guys juicing?
Let them juice. Or start to delist some of these agents that they frequently use.
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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Grossly unfair to those who've never been. 90% of something is still not 100%.
The answer isn't let them juice.
It's keep trying to clean up the sport.
They do it in football, they can try it in boxing.
Surprised that GGG is still going ahead with the fight, despite potential danger of an athlete who failed a drug test hitting him.
He must be confident or really need the money
Probably both, he has the moral victory already, ran Canelo out of the ring and will not get a bigger purse fighting anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanatogen
Probably assumes he was on the juice last time so what is there to fear now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterProbably both, he has the moral victory already, ran Canelo out of the ring and will not get a bigger purse fighting anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanatogen
Yeah i agree with the last statement. It's too bad because Canelo is in a lose lose situation regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeProbably assumes he was on the juice last time so what is there to fear now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterProbably both, he has the moral victory already, ran Canelo out of the ring and will not get a bigger purse fighting anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanatogen
If he wins, its cuz he was on the juice. If he loses, it's because he didnt have the juice.
They already are; if they can afford it, they are doing it.
The BALCO scandal was 10+ years ago, and look at the range and scope of it...if you're not familiar, the indictments were across every major sport, and named Shane Mosely and a bunch of other dudes.
But, the actual discussion has moved on from "juicing," it's a now a matter of taking a substance that isn't banned, but has the same net impact as a banned substance--is that cheating?
drug testing and governing body's don't do research and development, therefore they will always be behind those who do.
Remember, "juicing" is from the 50's and 60's, and EPO/HGH from at least the 80's... who actually knows where they are now. If you look across sports, EVERYONE is better shape, more muscular by far, (especially basketball).
I thought that was down to better nutrition, diet, exercises and evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
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Originally Posted by MasterI thought that was down to better nutrition, diet, exercises and evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
Creatine was used by may in the beginning and still is. Reefer can mask well as long as you mask reefer. Remember East Gera man women back in the day who looked like men and we very hairy (ugh) but strong. Wonder if they had d--ks?
Definitely a part of it, but not exclusive to it. There's an American football player named Ray Lewis who was caught taking some form of an deer antler--can you imagine??? Deer antler is a banned substance? There's an entire industry dedicated to a thin, legal difference between "supplement" and "substance."
The strangest--I think--is that's it's illegal to take things FROM your own body, (red blood cells, hormone, etc), stock pile them, and then use them to train/perform with.
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Originally Posted by MasterI thought that was down to better nutrition, diet, exercises and evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
Ah yes deer antler spray
Ray Lewis and Deer-Antler Spray: Just What Is This Stuff?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-is-this-stuff
I do wonder that if all sports were like the WWF in the 1980's and no drug was off limits who would be the absolute greatest athletes in each sport.
I also would feel bad for Lance Armstrong (I DO feel bad for Floyd Landis) because cycling is the dirtiest sport there is going, but Lance Armstrong was a jackass. He was going to go after Greg LeMonde because Greg was asking questions about Lance being clean. Fucking asshole that Lance Armstrong.
Yes he is (Lance). But man... what a crash-and-burn that guy did, huh? It's almost as if he was being made an example of, for the rest of the cheating sports world to see. "Look at what can happen to you if you use PEDs." Stripped of every Tour de France title, stricken from the record books, loss of millions and millions of dollars, public disgrace, etc, etc, etc. Don't get me wrong... not feeling sorry for the man. It's just that in this world of inconsistent standards and punishments, we've all seen athletes in other sports get away with similar transgressions, and suffer much lesser consequences. But yeah... the guy is a conniving asshole.
Therefore he got what he deserved and they should all suffer similar fate. He was a bully and attacked anyone accusing him. He got what he deserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
It would have been different had he been a nice person during his time on top.....but he was vicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The 1970's Steelers were all roided up, I'm relatively certain the Philadephia Flyers of the same era were on roids, The 1990's Cowboys were all coked up, Lawrence Taylor was coked up, The 1986 Mets were coked up, Carl Lewis was juiced.
Carl Lewis gets me because he caused such a stink about Ben Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIt would have been different had he been a nice person during his time on top.....but he was vicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The 1970's Steelers were all roided up, I'm relatively certain the Philadephia Flyers of the same era were on roids, The 1990's Cowboys were all coked up, Lawrence Taylor was coked up, The 1986 Mets were coked up, Carl Lewis was juiced.
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Originally Posted by MasterCarl Lewis gets me because he caused such a stink about Ben Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIt would have been different had he been a nice person during his time on top.....but he was vicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The 1970's Steelers were all roided up, I'm relatively certain the Philadephia Flyers of the same era were on roids, The 1990's Cowboys were all coked up, Lawrence Taylor was coked up, The 1986 Mets were coked up, Carl Lewis was juiced.
Ben Johnson was a jerk though. The stare he gave Lewis when he "cheatingly" won the gold made it that much sweeter when they took it away from him.
I know but the demonisation (I know he had red eyes which did not help him) of Ben whilst Carl was classed as the hero is sickening.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterCarl Lewis gets me because he caused such a stink about Ben Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIt would have been different had he been a nice person during his time on top.....but he was vicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
The 1970's Steelers were all roided up, I'm relatively certain the Philadephia Flyers of the same era were on roids, The 1990's Cowboys were all coked up, Lawrence Taylor was coked up, The 1986 Mets were coked up, Carl Lewis was juiced.
Ben Johnson was a jerk though. The stare he gave Lewis when he "cheatingly" won the gold made it that much sweeter when they took it away from him.
Way back, the Eastern German women athletes were roided up big time. They were muscular, strong, hairy, and very UGLY. :o:o
I wonder if GGG is gonna juice up in return? Then where would that put us?
Triple G is clean and honourable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja