Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

Wilder and Whyte will be working ringside for the Joshua v Parker fight so are bound to cross paths and have some verbals which should be explosive, Whyte remains the number 1 mandatory for Wilders WBA belt.

There's no chance Wilder v Joshua happens in the summer as Wilder has only just become {just) a PPV fighter in the USA.

I think Whyte v Wilder should happen next and Eddie Hearn has already offered Wilder a career high payday of around $4 Million and says he will up that offer today to get this fight over the line.

I'm hoping the WBA force this on Wilder anyway and it's a fight i'd love to see.

Who you picking if they meet?

Probably Wilder mid to late round KO

Would prefer Whyte to win but don't think he has the skills - although appears to have come on ,eaps and bounds since Joshua fight

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Probably Wilder mid to late round KO

Would prefer Whyte to win but don't think he has the skills - although appears to have come on ,eaps and bounds since Joshua fight

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I'm not convinced Whyte wins either but he definitely deserves this fight and must have a punchers chance at the very least.

The build up to this would be Box Office alone so i'm hoping for a heated exchange of words on Saturday and you just know that Whyte will go looking for him and get right in his face ;D

For sure a good punchers chance. Would be exciting until the end

Build up would be epic

I hope Whyte wins as well so we can see another celebration like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtpAOqai3U

Watch from 1 min 43 in where Whyte somehow almost kicks himself over ;D

He did get a bit emotional ;D

Wilder doesn't seem that keen on fighting Whyte next



Wilder accuses Hearn of diversion tactics, using Whyte to distract fight talk away from Joshua

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/...ay-from-joshua

Wilder should 100% be pursuing an AJ fight. If AJ won’t fight him, the Whyte fight is probably as interesting of a fight as you will get for him.

Whyte looked good going to the body and opening up the shots upstairs. Browne really allowed him to take some powerful digs in on the body. However the bad news for Whyte is for whatever reason, his defense or lack there of he's very open to the right cross right down the middle. Browne split his guard several times. If Whyte makes the adjustments to that he could be very tough for anyone but that's a big time flaw which can be exploited by AJ and Wilder especially.


Whyte vs Povetkin wouldn't be bad, but hell talking about Povetkin these days is like talking about Valuev it's like the heavyweight junior division. Won't travel, won't make big fights, won't pass drug tests, think they are owed the world, etc.



Who is training Whyte these days? Is it still Banks?

Just to clear up a few questions and misunderstandings in this thread.

Wilder is not a PPV fighter

He's the WBC champion, Whyte is no.1 for that alphabet

Povetkin is fighting this week in Britain, on AJ's undercard

Whyte's trainer is Mark Tibbs and has been for about two years (Banks just helped out for the AJ fight).

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Just to clear up a few questions and misunderstandings in this thread.

Wilder is not a PPV fighter

He's the WBC champion, Whyte is no.1 for that alphabet

Povetkin is fighting this week in Britain, on AJ's undercard

Whyte's trainer is Mark Tibbs and has been for about two years (Banks just helped out for the AJ fight).

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My mistake WBC not WBA
I'd say Wilder is now a draw in the US after the Ortiz win and PPV worthy or thereabouts.
I think he'll swerve Dillian at all costs unless he's ordered to fight him next.

Whyte may be a loud mouth , however he is one of the few guys who i genuinely believe will fight anyone given the chance.

PPV Star is all dependent on who is willing to pay for the PPV. I don’t think that Wilder is a PPV fighter because most casual boxing fans in the US still don’t know who he is. AJ is a PPV fighter in the UK because everybody knows him.

Same reason why Canelo is a PPV Star but isn’t nearly as good as some non PPV stars

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Agreed.

He will fight anyone.

Only 28 years old and is getting better.

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Whyte looked good going to the body and opening up the shots upstairs. Browne really allowed him to take some powerful digs in on the body. However the bad news for Whyte is for whatever reason, his defense or lack there of he's very open to the right cross right down the middle. Browne split his guard several times. If Whyte makes the adjustments to that he could be very tough for anyone but that's a big time flaw which can be exploited by AJ and Wilder especially.


Whyte vs Povetkin wouldn't be bad, but hell talking about Povetkin these days is like talking about Valuev it's like the heavyweight junior division. Won't travel, won't make big fights, won't pass drug tests, think they are owed the world, etc.



Who is training Whyte these days? Is it still Banks?

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Trained by old school Gangster Jimmy Tibbs son.

Wilder after a right tear up. I’d love to see this one too

I think Wilder wins quite easily using his reach and height. Whyte's not that good and his victory last Saturday was too flattering for him.

You all seem to forget how actually bad both Whyte and Wilder are, I would give Whyte the nod, but not look forward to an interesting fight, and certainly not pay for it. Its showbiz with blood again. In the other 'leg' Joshua v Parker is worth a watch (£5 at my local club) , although Parker getting a majority decision against Hughie Fury (who?) doesn't really give him the creds for a realistic fight against AJ, early KO easy.

Its all up in the air with piss poor heavyweights now, major promoters have all claimed their stake with their signings, the only one who has lost his pension plan is Ricky Hatton with that fat lummox Browne, get out Ricky and buy a pub or supermarket, don't want to read about you on desperate street in the Sun next year.

Talking about promoters pension investments, look at Sauerland with David Price against Alexander Povetkin , talk about shit or bust, last ditch effort and come on Pricey! 10-1 at the bookies. Support your local scouser.

I must be high. I think Whyte the better all around boxer than Wilder. Minus the 1-2 of Wilder which can at times be pretty telegraphed he smothers nearly everything after that willfully rushing in with little polished footwork to reset or inside game. Love to see them mix it up and the golden road to AJ that Wilder claims he wants and his base lead through a #1 ranked Whyte. They may saddle Whyte with Breazeale though and slap 'eliminator' on it.

Again, I have no problem with a Wilder vs Whyte fight, but a Wilder vs AJ fight is so much bigger. Wilder isn’t the best technical boxer and can definitely be beat, but he has proven recently that he has the length and a good enough punch to beat everyone out in his path so far.

I think it’s such a huge missed opportunity to let a Wilder vs AJ match to slip out because one of them loses. Neither are really that good in reality and I wouldn’t be shocked if either got beat.

Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.

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Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.

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Whether or not you think Wilder isn’t as good as some other HWs, almost all boxing fans want the AJ vs Wilder match. That’s the match everyone wants. AJ isn’t a big star because he is so great but because he is a good HW from the UK that has the potential to unify the titles.

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Again, I have no problem with a Wilder vs Whyte fight, but a Wilder vs AJ fight is so much bigger. Wilder isn’t the best technical boxer and can definitely be beat, but he has proven recently that he has the length and a good enough punch to beat everyone out in his path so far.

I think it’s such a huge missed opportunity to let a Wilder vs AJ match to slip out because one of them loses. Neither are really that good in reality and I wouldn’t be shocked if either got beat.

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Totally agree. On Wilders right hand also. But no doubt they are going to milk this and very good reason HBO picked up Whyte vs Browne. Hopefully we won't see match strung along but things are looking up top guys facing off. Wilder and AJ can look to thin out the herd and definitely a fight that we need sooner than later. As long as Fury or Haye stay on the sideline I'm good ;D.

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Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.

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Whether or not you think Wilder isn’t as good as some other HWs, almost all boxing fans want the AJ vs Wilder match. That’s the match everyone wants. AJ isn’t a big star because he is so great but because he is a good HW from the UK that has the potential to unify the titles.

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When Floyd was earning a billion times more than his opponents he gave them what they were worth, they all got career high paydays but nobody got close to what Floyd took as he was the draw. Guys like Victor Ortiz brought a WBC title and top Ring rating yet didn't demand half of the $40 million pot, he took his couple of million dollars that he was worth.

So saying AJ should give Wilder half of his money is silly, yet AJ is the "ducker." Ridiculous.

Wilder is just another opponent for AJ, should he win the next man in line will become the fans/media favourite to dethrone him. AJ is a long way from being crowned an ATG yet. Long way.

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Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.

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Whether or not you think Wilder isn’t as good as some other HWs, almost all boxing fans want the AJ vs Wilder match. That’s the match everyone wants. AJ isn’t a big star because he is so great but because he is a good HW from the UK that has the potential to unify the titles.

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When Floyd was earning a billion times more than his opponents he gave them what they were worth, they all got career high paydays but nobody got close to what Floyd took as he was the draw. Guys like Victor Ortiz brought a WBC title and top Ring rating yet didn't demand half of the $40 million pot, he took his couple of million dollars that he was worth.

So saying AJ should give Wilder half of his money is silly, yet AJ is the "ducker." Ridiculous.

Wilder is just another opponent for AJ, should he win the next man in line will become the fans/media favourite to dethrone him. AJ is a long way from being crowned an ATG yet. Long way.

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The difference is that Mayweather was at a whole other level as most of his opponents. Pacquiao was the only fighter that was truly demanded that he fight so Pacquiao was able to get a good chunk of the money because the people demanded the fight. AJ can take most of the money with any other HW because no other fight besides Wilder is that interesting. So for that reason, Wilder can demand more.

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Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.

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Whether or not you think Wilder isn’t as good as some other HWs, almost all boxing fans want the AJ vs Wilder match. That’s the match everyone wants. AJ isn’t a big star because he is so great but because he is a good HW from the UK that has the potential to unify the titles.

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When Floyd was earning a billion times more than his opponents he gave them what they were worth, they all got career high paydays but nobody got close to what Floyd took as he was the draw. Guys like Victor Ortiz brought a WBC title and top Ring rating yet didn't demand half of the $40 million pot, he took his couple of million dollars that he was worth.

So saying AJ should give Wilder half of his money is silly, yet AJ is the "ducker." Ridiculous.

Wilder is just another opponent for AJ, should he win the next man in line will become the fans/media favourite to dethrone him. AJ is a long way from being crowned an ATG yet. Long way.

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The difference is that Mayweather was at a whole other level as most of his opponents. Pacquiao was the only fighter that was truly demanded that he fight so Pacquiao was able to get a good chunk of the money because the people demanded the fight. AJ can take most of the money with any other HW because no other fight besides Wilder is that interesting. So for that reason, Wilder can demand more.

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The way boxing is today, it's not about being on a whole nother level. like Fenster said, it's about who is the draw. I'm not condoning it, but that's how it is. Wilder could make more money getting 40% against Joshua than he has made for ALL his combined career purses put together.
If Wilder doesn't want that, Then Joshua's team can make many other fights that make him £20,30 or 40 Mill. Financially he doesn't need Wilder, but Wilder sure as fuck needs Joshua.
The other thing is , If Wilder thinks he's worth 50/50 , and if he wants it in the states , no problem. all his team need to do is put together a better package for everyone than team Joshua is putting together.
This is Boxing business, and the reason it is allowed to happen is because the governing bodies have basically sold the sport to the promoters and TV companies.
The governing bodies ain't worth shit unfortunately.

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

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I think Wilder wins quite easily using his reach and height. Whyte's not that good and his victory last Saturday was too flattering for him.

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I think so too. Wilder keeps him at bay, Whyte gets annoyed, and then gets knocked out. Browne isn't that good. Toney took rounds off of him weighing over 250 pounds and in his mid-40's.

Rumours that Wilder won't be ringside on Saturday because Dillian Whytes gonna be there he's not allowed in the ring
to face off AJ


Hearn tears into Wilder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwWkW802L_M

If there's any truth to the Wilder no show rumour then i'll be shocked....
Arguably the biggest future fight in Boxing and the Guy (or his team) don't wanna get the Hype machine rolling?
Perfect platform to Hype the fight so maybe on the back of the Ortiz win Wilder and his team think he/they don't have to play ball with AJ and believe they can make this a 50-50 split when it happens so are point blank refusing to jump through hoops and come across as the B Side?

Browne was a totally incompetent bum, so let's discount that

I reckon Whyte is a decent fighter. He is better schooled than Wilder, he has a good punch and a good chin. He chas shown good stamina too. He would be the best fighter that Wilder has fought.

Deontay is hugely unorthodox, and he does really go for his knockouts. He has shown good heart against the albeit ancient Ortiz.

would be a good matchup, but not a great risk/reward scenario for Wilder.

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Browne was a totally incompetent bum, so let's discount that

I reckon Whyte is a decent fighter. He is better schooled than Wilder, he has a good punch and a good chin. He chas shown good stamina too. He would be the best fighter that Wilder has fought.

Deontay is hugely unorthodox, and he does really go for his knockouts. He has shown good heart against the albeit ancient Ortiz.

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Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

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So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

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Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

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So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

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So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
simples!

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Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

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So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

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So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
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Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

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So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

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So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
simples!

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Wilder or AJ haven’t earned the right to fight each other. They are just the two perceived best in the division. They should be expected to fight each other. To say that Wilder has to fight someone else to earn a fight with AJ is laughable.

I’ve said it multiple times that I don’t mind if Wilder fights Whyte. It’s probably his next best option after AJ. The problem is that why would Wilder want to settle for fighting Whyte if he could fight AJ? If AJ is completely off the table then I would call it a duck if Wilder refuses to fight Whyte. I have no problem with that.

My main point is that AJ hasn’t really done significantly much more than Wilder to be the A side other than having UK fans behind him. As I’ve stated before, it’s like claiming that Canelo should be able to dictate everything because he is the draw and not because he is better. In a business sense I understand but it’s an easy thing to hide behind

Money makes the world go round, simple as that.

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Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

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So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

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So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
simples!

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Wilder or AJ haven’t earned the right to fight each other. They are just the two perceived best in the division. They should be expected to fight each other. To say that Wilder has to fight someone else to earn a fight with AJ is laughable.

I’ve said it multiple times that I don’t mind if Wilder fights Whyte. It’s probably his next best option after AJ. The problem is that why would Wilder want to settle for fighting Whyte if he could fight AJ? If AJ is completely off the table then I would call it a duck if Wilder refuses to fight Whyte. I have no problem with that.

My main point is that AJ hasn’t really done significantly much more than Wilder to be the A side other than having UK fans behind him. As I’ve stated before, it’s like claiming that Canelo should be able to dictate everything because he is the draw and not because he is better. In a business sense I understand but it’s an easy thing to hide behind

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Is beating the most dominant heavyweight champion of the previous 10 years is no better than beating Ortiz for you? You can say that Fury had already beaten Wlad, but Fury, astonishing as it may seem, outboxed and outpsyched Wlad. Joshua outfought him.

I don’t think that beating Wlad was that much more significant that he becomes the obvious A side fighter. Already got easily beaten by Fury and hadn’t fought in over a year. It was still a good win but I also never held Wlad in that high esteem.

If you think that version of Wlad was that good then we just have to agree to disagree.

Wow, the prospect of a fight between Joshua and Wilder sure has taken an interesting turn in this thread and in the forum in general.

From the get go, I've always rated Joshua's win over Wlad higher than any win Wilder has on his record. Wlad came to fight, as opposed to his usual timid self... and the fight itself was a pleasing classic. But c'mon.... to hear some of you guys talk, anyone would surmise Wilder is not a champion, but some other chump (like Fury and Haye) begging and needing a fight with Joshua. They each have alphabet titles... they're each undefeated... they're each popular. Joshua more so in the UK.... Wilder more in the U.S. That people in the U.S haven't warmed up to Wilder like those in the UK have for Joshua, is kind of a cultural thing right now. U.S. people ("American" technically includes the whole hemisphere) right now are a bit jaded on boxing. Their last major star in the sport was Mayweather, not a universally-liked guy to say the least. Ward was much of a non-entity, due to his maddening inactivity, before he up and beat Kovalev twice....... then retired. U.S.'ers haven't had a heavyweight boxing champion in eons. Beside, Wilder IS a bit rough around the edges.... far from being a polished fighter. But damn.... Some of you are talking like Wilder should be happy to lap up AJ's scraps. Really? What is the reason for all this? Aside from Wlad, is Joshua's record (quality of opponents) really that much better than Wilder's? I get it... this is a British forum. But Wilder's all of a sudden getting a raw deal here. Before long, some of you will have Wilder having to PAY Joshua to fight him. Nahhh.... it doesn't work that way. It's good to be excited about having a local heavyweight champion. But there's another heavyweight champion across the pond and..... what a huge downer it would be if Wilder up and KO'ed Joshua, huh?

I still like them both, but kudos to Wilder for wanting to get a fair share of the proceeds if and when these two should meet.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

@primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?

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So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

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Demanding what you're not worth is considered a convenient "duck" too. This situation is precisely like your example of Loma-Garcia, Wilder is knowingly demanding an unrealistic cut, you think 50-50 is fair but Wilder knows it's not even serious, it's just publicity for fans and media. Loma-Garcia will split their pie judged on who brings the most monetary value to the table, simple as that. It could be 50-50 or 70-30 either way, regardless.

A-side/B-side is soley about money not ability/rankings.

Personally I couldn't care less what anyone makes or "deserves," be great if money didn't rule the sport, but it's the reality of the situation

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Wilder and Whyte will be working ringside for the Joshua v Parker fight so are bound to cross paths and have some verbals which should be explosive, Whyte remains the number 1 mandatory for Wilders WBA belt.

There's no chance Wilder v Joshua happens in the summer as Wilder has only just become {just) a PPV fighter in the USA.

I think Whyte v Wilder should happen next and Eddie Hearn has already offered Wilder a career high payday of around $4 Million and says he will up that offer today to get this fight over the line.

I'm hoping the WBA force this on Wilder anyway and it's a fight i'd love to see.

Who you picking if they meet?

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I like Wilder but even more I like that the heavyweight division is getting notice in America. It will be interesting to see how Dante fairs had his opponents improve. Why do people still say they want to see how his chin holds, he has been checked, granted he gets wobbled but he stays in. He's certainly not the greatest heavyweight but he had talent. I'll take him over Whyte, but no money on it. Damn the heavyweight is waking up in America. I appreciate Klit and what he did but he didn't bring much interest here, he did have one of the best jabs I've seen