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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

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    Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

    Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

    If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.
    Whether or not you think Wilder isn’t as good as some other HWs, almost all boxing fans want the AJ vs Wilder match. That’s the match everyone wants. AJ isn’t a big star because he is so great but because he is a good HW from the UK that has the potential to unify the titles.
    When Floyd was earning a billion times more than his opponents he gave them what they were worth, they all got career high paydays but nobody got close to what Floyd took as he was the draw. Guys like Victor Ortiz brought a WBC title and top Ring rating yet didn't demand half of the $40 million pot, he took his couple of million dollars that he was worth.

    So saying AJ should give Wilder half of his money is silly, yet AJ is the "ducker." Ridiculous.

    Wilder is just another opponent for AJ, should he win the next man in line will become the fans/media favourite to dethrone him. AJ is a long way from being crowned an ATG yet. Long way.
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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
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    Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

    Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

    If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.
    Whether or not you think Wilder isn’t as good as some other HWs, almost all boxing fans want the AJ vs Wilder match. That’s the match everyone wants. AJ isn’t a big star because he is so great but because he is a good HW from the UK that has the potential to unify the titles.
    When Floyd was earning a billion times more than his opponents he gave them what they were worth, they all got career high paydays but nobody got close to what Floyd took as he was the draw. Guys like Victor Ortiz brought a WBC title and top Ring rating yet didn't demand half of the $40 million pot, he took his couple of million dollars that he was worth.

    So saying AJ should give Wilder half of his money is silly, yet AJ is the "ducker." Ridiculous.

    Wilder is just another opponent for AJ, should he win the next man in line will become the fans/media favourite to dethrone him. AJ is a long way from being crowned an ATG yet. Long way.
    The difference is that Mayweather was at a whole other level as most of his opponents. Pacquiao was the only fighter that was truly demanded that he fight so Pacquiao was able to get a good chunk of the money because the people demanded the fight. AJ can take most of the money with any other HW because no other fight besides Wilder is that interesting. So for that reason, Wilder can demand more.

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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Breazeale, Miller, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr are based Stateside, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Takam, Hughie Fury, even Chisora, as well as Whyte could all claim to be Wilder's 2nd or 3rd best opponent ever, take the alphabet away he really doesn't offer much more than these guys.

    Wilder is no different to anyone else chasing the Joshua money, that's why he will refuse Whyte for a career high purse because he knows he'll make 3-times that taking a 20% cut of AJ's loot.

    If Povetkin's team hadn't been so lapse in covering their tracks Wilder wouldn't even currently be in the picture.
    Whether or not you think Wilder isn’t as good as some other HWs, almost all boxing fans want the AJ vs Wilder match. That’s the match everyone wants. AJ isn’t a big star because he is so great but because he is a good HW from the UK that has the potential to unify the titles.
    When Floyd was earning a billion times more than his opponents he gave them what they were worth, they all got career high paydays but nobody got close to what Floyd took as he was the draw. Guys like Victor Ortiz brought a WBC title and top Ring rating yet didn't demand half of the $40 million pot, he took his couple of million dollars that he was worth.

    So saying AJ should give Wilder half of his money is silly, yet AJ is the "ducker." Ridiculous.

    Wilder is just another opponent for AJ, should he win the next man in line will become the fans/media favourite to dethrone him. AJ is a long way from being crowned an ATG yet. Long way.
    The difference is that Mayweather was at a whole other level as most of his opponents. Pacquiao was the only fighter that was truly demanded that he fight so Pacquiao was able to get a good chunk of the money because the people demanded the fight. AJ can take most of the money with any other HW because no other fight besides Wilder is that interesting. So for that reason, Wilder can demand more.
    The way boxing is today, it's not about being on a whole nother level. like Fenster said, it's about who is the draw. I'm not condoning it, but that's how it is. Wilder could make more money getting 40% against Joshua than he has made for ALL his combined career purses put together.
    If Wilder doesn't want that, Then Joshua's team can make many other fights that make him £20,30 or 40 Mill. Financially he doesn't need Wilder, but Wilder sure as fuck needs Joshua.
    The other thing is , If Wilder thinks he's worth 50/50 , and if he wants it in the states , no problem. all his team need to do is put together a better package for everyone than team Joshua is putting together.
    This is Boxing business, and the reason it is allowed to happen is because the governing bodies have basically sold the sport to the promoters and TV companies.
    The governing bodies ain't worth shit unfortunately.
    Last edited by Primo Carnera; 03-28-2018 at 12:54 AM.
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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

    A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

    @primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

    All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

    How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?
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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

    A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

    @primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

    All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

    How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?
    So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

    I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

    It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

    So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.

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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

    A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

    @primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

    All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

    How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?
    So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

    I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

    It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

    So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.
    So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
    And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
    I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
    AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
    Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
    Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
    simples!
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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

    A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

    @primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

    All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

    How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?
    So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

    I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

    It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

    So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.
    So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
    And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
    I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
    AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
    Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
    Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
    simples!







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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

    A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

    @primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

    All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

    How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?
    So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

    I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

    It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

    So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.
    So, AJ is ducking Wilder. hmmm, let me see............ Wilder is ducking Whyte because "I've heard Whyte over and over call for the fight, I haven't heard Wilder call for it, even though it would at least double his best ever purse."
    And AJ is going to duck a guy that is ducking somebody AJ KO'd?
    I don't believe any of these fighters are ducking anyone, and I certainly don't think any of them are scared of each other. It's just about finance and to a major degree pride and bravado.
    AJ won't give Wilder a 50% split because AJ is the generator of the money and so in his mind why should he do all the work for Wilder to cream off his back??
    Wilder won't fight Whyte because he feels Whyte is below him and not worthy of the fight. In his mind he shouldn't have to "earn" a fight with AJ by beating Whyte.
    Hearn wants to make Whyte/Wilder AND AJ/Wilder , and no doubt whoever wins that , he would probably pay a kings ransom to promote to fight Fury!!! because all he fucking cares about are the £££££'s.
    simples!
    Wilder or AJ haven’t earned the right to fight each other. They are just the two perceived best in the division. They should be expected to fight each other. To say that Wilder has to fight someone else to earn a fight with AJ is laughable.

    I’ve said it multiple times that I don’t mind if Wilder fights Whyte. It’s probably his next best option after AJ. The problem is that why would Wilder want to settle for fighting Whyte if he could fight AJ? If AJ is completely off the table then I would call it a duck if Wilder refuses to fight Whyte. I have no problem with that.

    My main point is that AJ hasn’t really done significantly much more than Wilder to be the A side other than having UK fans behind him. As I’ve stated before, it’s like claiming that Canelo should be able to dictate everything because he is the draw and not because he is better. In a business sense I understand but it’s an easy thing to hide behind

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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

    A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

    @primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

    All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

    How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?
    So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

    I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

    It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

    So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.
    Demanding what you're not worth is considered a convenient "duck" too. This situation is precisely like your example of Loma-Garcia, Wilder is knowingly demanding an unrealistic cut, you think 50-50 is fair but Wilder knows it's not even serious, it's just publicity for fans and media. Loma-Garcia will split their pie judged on who brings the most monetary value to the table, simple as that. It could be 50-50 or 70-30 either way, regardless.

    A-side/B-side is soley about money not ability/rankings.

    Personally I couldn't care less what anyone makes or "deserves," be great if money didn't rule the sport, but it's the reality of the situation
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    Default Re: Dillian Whyte v Deontay Wilder

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by powerpuncher View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacquiao brought fortunes to the table against Floyd, hence Floyd made even more than normal, he didn't take a paycut or give Pacquiao a chunk of his own money. Pacquiao brought HBO PPV to join Floyd's Showtime, brought fans from all over the world hence inflated, extortionate ticket prices, not just for the fight but all manner of events surrounding the event.

    A fighters value is based purely on what he sells, not whether or not the fans think he "deserves" more/the same as his opponent.

    @primo has asked a better question than me - where is Wilder's offer to AJ? Why haven't they offered AJ $30 million to fight in Alabama? How about $50 million for Las Vegas? I'm sure AJ will gladly let Wilder have American TV whilst he keeps UK PPV, he can guarantee thousands of Brits flying to anywhere in the States, will thousands of Americans travel to London in support of Wilder?

    All Wilder has done is demand, demand, demand what Joshua must GIVE, offered nothing. He's not even Joshua's biggest monetary option (or arguably toughest competition) that is Tyson Fury by a long stretch. Should David Haye impress against Bellew he would become Joshua's most lucrative option. Povetkin has the backing of Russian oligarchs who have stumped up fortunes in the past to fund "world" championship events.

    How can you people seriously not understand the difference between a fighter making $2 million and $22 million (a conservative figure in AJ's case)?
    So you must love the whole Canelo and GGG saga. One fighter who is clearly worse than the other makes basically whatever demands he wants because he is the draw. Sure, I get that it’s a business, but I also see that Canelo was dodging GGG for years.

    I’m not claiming that Wilder is better than AJ, but AJ being able to draw more revenue is a convenient way to duck a fighter. It’s easy for him to say that he can go elsewhere and make 90% of the cut against a bum because UK fans will buy a garbage fight. I get it. Basically AJ just says unless I have to make X amount of money or I won’t fight you because it’s a big risk fight so I will make a lower risk fight where I’ll make a bit more money.

    It isn’t Wilders fault that he can’t draw in the US. He is a KO machine and has done what he has needed to to reach the top. I think that Wilder deserves a 50% cut because they are both the top guys in the division but I’m not the one negotiating. If this were let’s say Garcia vs Loma at lightweight, if one of the fighters just said that they want a 70% cut of the purse or no fight then we would all see it as a blatant duck.

    So my point is that being a bigger draw is a convenient way to duck another fighter. I’ve heard Wilder over and over call for the fight. I haven’t heard AJ call for it.
    Demanding what you're not worth is considered a convenient "duck" too. This situation is precisely like your example of Loma-Garcia, Wilder is knowingly demanding an unrealistic cut, you think 50-50 is fair but Wilder knows it's not even serious, it's just publicity for fans and media. Loma-Garcia will split their pie judged on who brings the most monetary value to the table, simple as that. It could be 50-50 or 70-30 either way, regardless.

    A-side/B-side is soley about money not ability/rankings.

    Personally I couldn't care less what anyone makes or "deserves," be great if money didn't rule the sport, but it's the reality of the situation
    I understand that money is the reality of the sport unfortunately. The question comes if Wilder fights and beats Whyte and beats someone else and beats someone else and every single person in the way and AJ is still the bigger draw because of the popularity of boxing in the UK compared to the states. AJ could then always use the money excuse as a valid excuse. Wilder could be known as the obvious best fighter in the division but Wilder is in the wrong if he wants 50/50 split.

    I get that money runs the sport but I just can’t give free passes for the obvious best match up in a weight class because one fighter is from a country where boxing is popular and the other isn’t.

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