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		Povetkin is now Joshua's mandatory. Can AJ put him away? Could Povetkin give Joshua some problems with his pressure?
	 
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		They should fight in July.
All this waiting around bollocks is doing my head in..can someone compare how often heavyweight champions were fighting 20 years ago compared to today?
	 
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		Povetkin looked poor, it was 2013 when he went the distance against Wlad. Without his PED he looks old and slow.
	 
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			Povetkin looked poor, it was 2013 when he went the distance against Wlad. Without his PED he looks old and slow.
			
		
	 
 Hope he gets permanently banned or knocked out.
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			Povetkin is now Joshua's mandatory. Can AJ put him away? Could Povetkin give Joshua some problems with his pressure?
			
		
	 
 If we cannot get a Wilder/Joshua fight NEXT, then this is the best fight for Joshua as is Whyte is the best fight for Wilder outside of Andy Ruiz or Joseph Parker.
	 
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			Povetkin looked poor, it was 2013 when he went the distance against Wlad. Without his PED he looks old and slow.
			
		
	 
 He didn't look it to me. Nearly decapitated Price. Looked better than Ortiz to me.
	 
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			Povetkin looked poor, it was 2013 when he went the distance against Wlad. Without his PED he looks old and slow.
			
		
	 
 He didn't look it to me. Nearly decapitated Price. Looked better than Ortiz to me.
 
			
		
	 
 Most fighters, not even top ones, stop Price. 
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			Povetkin looked poor, it was 2013 when he went the distance against Wlad. Without his PED he looks old and slow.
			
		
	 
 He didn't look it to me. Nearly decapitated Price. Looked better than Ortiz to me.
 
			
		
	 
 Most fighters, not even top ones, stop Price. 
Ortiz would beat Povetkin.
 
			
		
	 
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			They should fight in July.
All this waiting around bollocks is doing my head in..can someone compare how often heavyweight champions were fighting 20 years ago compared to today?
			
		
	 
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Lennox Lewis fought:
twice in 94
three times in 95
once in 96
three times in 97
twice in 98
	 
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		It's a complete fallacy that champions today don't fight as much as those of 50 years ago (rose-tinted selective memory).
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			These records give some insight into the experience of fighters from yesteryear to today (obviously it can't gauge the quality of opposition).
The average number of fights between the highest first time winner (39) and lowest (16) is 27
Joe Louis was having his 33rd fight when he became world champion against Braddock 50-25-7, the overall combined win/loss record of his next 5 opponents is 299 wins/57 losses/31 draws (Total fights - 397)
Liston - 34th fight beat Patterson 38-2-0 / WLD record - 131/12/3 (146)
Ali - 20th fight beat Liston 35-1-0 / WLD record - 180/41/3 (224)
Now into the age of multi-titles (70s), the titles fractured when Spinks was stripped after beating Ali.
Frazier - 25th fight beat Eliis 27-5-0 (WBC/WBA) / WLD record - 169/9/2 (180)
Foreman - 38th fight beat Frazier 29-0-0 (WBC/WBA) / WLD record - 181/17/2 (200)
Holmes - 27th fight beat Norton 40-4-0 (WBC) / WLD record - 139/21/4 (164)
The IBF is now a factor (80s/90s)
Tyson - 28th fight beat Berbick 34-4-1 (WBC) / WLD record - 145/8/1 (154)
Lewis - 22nd fight beat Ruddock* 27-3-1 (WBC) / WLD record - 162/20/1 (183)
Holyfield - 25th fight beat Douglas 30-4-1 (WBC/WBA/IBF) / WLD record - 212/16/0 (22(8))
Bowe - 32nd fight beat Holyfield 28-0-0 (WBC/WBA/IBF) WLD - 126/13/2 (141)
The WBO becomes relevant (2000s)
Vitai - 25th fight beat Hide 31-1-0 (WBO) / WLD record - 179/11/3 (193)
Wlad - 35th fight beat Byrd 31-1-0 (WBO) / WLD record - 142/12/6 (160)
Wilder - 34th fight beat Stiverne 24-1-0 (WBC) / WLD - 129/11/3 (143)
Joshua - 16th fight beat Martin 23-0-1 (IBF) / WLD record - 153/10/1 (164)
Conclusion - with more titles available today there's more chance of becoming champion, as should be expected, however, from the 60s to today the disparity between the actual number of fights hasn't changed much if at all.
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			They should fight in July.
All this waiting around bollocks is doing my head in..can someone compare how often heavyweight champions were fighting 20 years ago compared to today?
			
		
	 
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Lennox Lewis fought:
twice in 94
three times in 95
once in 96
three times in 97
twice in 98
 
			
		
	 
 Shame.
3 times a year would or should be enough for any heavyweight champion.
	 
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		This whole thing is a fake set up. Povetkin is in Mexico eating tainted beef and will be disqualified from the match.
	 
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		Joshua might be heading to Russia :S.....  Unless povetkin manager has run out of money... I don't think Joshua will ditch one of the belts so soon.
	 
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		AJ can beat Povetkin to keep all the belts together. He had a sparring session last week.
	 
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		I dont mind this. If it was Wilder next it would unlikely be the summer. So no reason he cant fight Wilder end of the year.
	 
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		Thing that annoys me is that everyone wants to see the Wilder fight, they want a unified heavyweight champion yet the belts throw these mandatory challengers in and potentially delay the real fight, what happens once after this one, someone will probably demand that he fights the 10th ranked fighter or risk losing his belt, I think that Eddie Hearn has already said that he will most likely have to drop one of the belts but he is just hoping they can get the Wilder fight sorted before it comes to that.
	 
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		Maybe its a push to get a huge payout from hearn as step aside cash?
	 
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			Maybe its a push to get a huge payout from hearn as step aside cash?
			
		
	 
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		Povetkin won’t be taking any step aside cash. The Russians will be trying to win purse bids and take AJ to one of the Eastern bloc countries. 
If Povetkin has anything left, those guys have got some serious cash. 
When he fought Klitschko, their purse bid blew everything out of the window! And that was when K2 promotions used to win every purse bid going.
I’ll bet Hearn is shitting himself.
	 
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			Povetkin won’t be taking any step aside cash. The Russians will be trying to win purse bids and take AJ to one of the Eastern bloc countries. 
If Povetkin has anything left, those guys have got some serious cash. 
When he fought Klitschko, their purse bid blew everything out of the window! And that was when K2 promotions used to win every purse bid going.
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 NO, Eddie would be happy if AJ gets £20 million and he gets his cut on top of that going to Russia. AJ can be the British Rocky. :)
	 
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			Povetkin won’t be taking any step aside cash. The Russians will be trying to win purse bids and take AJ to one of the Eastern bloc countries. 
If Povetkin has anything left, those guys have got some serious cash. 
When he fought Klitschko, their purse bid blew everything out of the window! And that was when K2 promotions used to win every purse bid going.
I’ll bet Hearn is shitting himself.
			
		
	 
 NO, Eddie would be happy if AJ gets £20 million and he gets his cut on top of that going to Russia. AJ can be the British Rocky. :)
 
			
		
	 
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		Promoter Vladimir Hryunov won the right to promote Klitschko vs. Povwetkin with a purse bid of $23,333,330 and Russian businessman Andrey Ryabinsky putting up the money. Failed bids made were from K2 Promotions ($7,130,000) and Povetkin's promoter Sauerland Event ($6,014,444). It allowed Ryabinsky to dictate the location of the fight and guaranteed the fighters the biggest purses of their careers. Based on being entitled to 75 percent of the winning bid, Klitschko got $17,499,997, while Povetkin received $5,833,333.[60] The Klitschko camp were said to be surprised by the bid.[61]
	 
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		I don't know about the wba. Don't they still have 101 yr old Fres Oquendo waiting on his court ordered title shot? They also have Miller and Duhaupas about to square off in title eliminator. I can't for the life of me see Josuha going to Russia and here we are again waiting on a reigning champ to cater to a cheat. Could be seeing AJ drop that strap depending on bigger talks.
	 
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			I don't know about the wba. Don't they still have 101 yr old Fres Oquendo waiting on his court ordered title shot? They also have Miller and Duhaupas about to square off in title eliminator. I can't for the life of me see Josuha going to Russia and here we are again waiting on a reigning champ to cater to a cheat. Could be seeing AJ drop that strap depending on bigger talks.
			
		
	 
 M8 u seem to have forgotten the wba has two world titles in some weight classes..... Fast fres is fighting Manuel charr at the start of may for the normal wba title, joshua has the super title... It really is quite bizarre, fans need to stop recognizing the minor one.
	 
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		I think team joshua were well aware this was going to happen though. Povetkin coming over to Cardiff to damage price then getting whyte to call out povetkin post fight,  and Hearn also pushing for Wilder v whyte... Whyte is a great pawn for Hearn. I would expect this fight to happen, Wilder seems to be going up against brezeale soon,  joshua won't want to ditch a belt when he has chance to gain all four big ones in the big money fight.... Of course having all four belts isn't something amazing but it is a pretty cool gimmick to have with the amount of weird mandatories the sanctioning bodies are funded by.
	 
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		I have no objections to this. Could be a very good fight.
	 
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			I think team joshua were well aware this was going to happen though. Povetkin coming over to Cardiff to damage price then getting whyte to call out povetkin post fight,  and Hearn also pushing for Wilder v whyte... Whyte is a great pawn for Hearn. I would expect this fight to happen, Wilder seems to be going up against brezeale soon,  joshua won't want to ditch a belt when he has chance to gain all four big ones in the big money fight.... Of course having all four belts isn't something amazing but it is a pretty cool gimmick to have with the amount of weird mandatories the sanctioning bodies are funded by.
			
		
	 
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		The Povetkin/Price fight was a fraud and a sham. So if Price had won did it mean he would be in line to fight for a title? :rolleyes:
Povetkin deserves a title shot on his own steam. But to say that if, by the luck of all of the Gods and lucky charms in the universe, Price would have won that fight that he would have gotten a crack at a world title, is like saying Audley Harrison deserved his shot against Haye for the WBA title after losses to Rogan and all else, even Sprott.
	 
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			The Povetkin/Price fight was a fraud and a sham. So if Price had won did it mean he would be in line to fight for a title? :rolleyes:
Povetkin deserves a title shot on his own steam. But to say that if, by the luck of all of the Gods and lucky charms in the universe, Price would have won that fight that he would have gotten a crack at a world title, is like saying Audley Harrison deserved his shot against Haye for the WBA title after losses to Rogan and all else, even Sprott.
			
		
	 
 Before the fight , it was officially given the status of a final eliminator, so if Price had won , Yes he would’ve been AJ’s mandatory. TBH people have done a lot less to earn a shot than beat Povetkin, so it would’ve been relatively fair.
But as we know, Price never won and was never likely to, so it’s all conjecture really.
	 
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		As I was explained last year this whole "must defend the title" sham is just that, a sham. Drop a belt, fight Wilder, pick up a belt, same amount of belts. Here we are the next year and you all are still buying this. It's a little sad. Could have fought Wilder instead of Pulev, must defend the belt, turned out to be Takam, must defend the belt. 
Same number of belts again! It's the fights that matter! Povetkin looked absolute shiite!
	 
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		I favor AJ, Povetkin will be more dangerous than Parker tho.
	 
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		If not Wilder I have no objections to this either.
I can still see Haye getting a shot if he comes through next month you know....
	 
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			As I was explained last year this whole "must defend the title" sham is just that, a sham. Drop a belt, fight Wilder, pick up a belt, same amount of belts. Here we are the next year and you all are still buying this. It's a little sad. Could have fought Wilder instead of Pulev, must defend the belt, turned out to be Takam, must defend the belt. 
Same number of belts again! It's the fights that matter! Povetkin looked absolute shiite!
			
		
	 
 Who is “still buying this”? Why do you constantly think people are burying their heads in the sand? 
I know when it suits you , you put a lot of stock in what fighters say, so........
Joshua SAID he wants all the belts FACT. Hearn SAID that with the amount of belts AJ has, as time goes on, the bodies will impose mandatories on him and if he wants to keep the belts , he has to honour them. This will make it harder to make the Wilder fight. FACT. 
Now this may be a difficult juggling exercise , but that’s what they want. Nobody is “buying” anything. Are you seriously trying to say Joshua is SCARED of Wilder! ;D;D;D
	 
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			I favor AJ, Povetkin will be more dangerous than Parker tho.
			
		
	 
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 I reckon Povetkin could trouble Joshua. He’s got decent movement, good head movement and doesn’t worry about getting hit in order to get in distance  to throw that big right hook.
Joshua might take some time to work him out, although clearly Joshua isn’t David Price.
You’re putting too much stock into Price rocking him. Price caught him, he was off balance , hence the falling backwards, but Povetkin was fine.
	 
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 So that’s it, settled. I was right. ;)