Looks like the fight is a done deal. Vanes hasn’t fought for two years and has never fought at middleweight. Has he been training? I can’t imagine anything but a total destruction
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Looks like the fight is a done deal. Vanes hasn’t fought for two years and has never fought at middleweight. Has he been training? I can’t imagine anything but a total destruction
if this goes ahead on the May date , then Golovkin and his team are a complete joke! none of this "it's not his fault" bollocks! Once Canelo pulled out, then either the date gets cancelled or they find a viable opponent if they can. If they can't , the date gets cancelled.
He had fucking time when this all kicked off to take a short break and then go back into a shorter camp and fight BJS, Charlo or Jacobs. none of the fights they have lined up would be a problem to cancel for this.
And if none of them wanted it, then at least we would've known who is full of shit and who isn't.
Fucking wankers.
Yeah but they instead decided to take an easy fight and sit back for a few months to get the money fight (which will be even bigger now than before) with CaneloQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Fucks me off it does, I don't necessarily blame GGG he probably knew this was going to be the outcome from the very start and just can't turn down the money at this point in his career, it ain't what we wanted.
It’s extremely obvious that GGG is just waiting for the money. No way is he risking anything to make huge money against Canelo again. He is taking a fight just to take a fight and stay busy. There were plenty of better fighters who were willing to fight him.
Is he contractually obligated somehow to fill that date? When it started to look like a Vanes..who was already rejected unanimously by the sanctioning bodies..or the other fella from Mexico they should have just scrapped the date all together. This is just Golovkin being a company man and saving some face for them. They really put him in a shit situation.
On the other hand I can't knock him for not bending over backwards trying to fix a fiasco that Canelo 100 percent created. He's the one who did his job, carried himself as a professional and more importantly didn't shovel garbage into his body looking for illegal advantages. Ideally we want the very best vs the very best but on 30 days notice and all the politics that already go into making mega fights normally it's not likely for most. Canelos cheating self is laughing his ass off as Golovkin gets slapped around for this mess.
I'm disappointed they couldn't force the IBF mando against Derevyanchenko, but can understand both deserving a full camp to prepare for each other. Vanes is pretty tough and a better opponent than O'Sullivan in my opinion, I think his inactivity hurts him tho. GGG deserves to get in the ring and fight, he held up to his side of the deal, he should get a payday of some sort.
Why is the onus on Golovkin to cancel his date? He's been planning/training for this date since last year, the other top fighters could have changed their plans, took him on short notice, took a paycut if they were so desperate to meet him (which is an oxymoron).
Just look how he made his name. How many boxing stars offer themselves up for peanuts, short notice date fillers against anyone anywhere? In the past 10 years the man has fought in - Germany, Denmark, Panama, Russia, Ukraine, Monte Carlo, Kazakstan, London and all over the States, New York, California, Connecticut and Vegas. He's moved his family to live in at least three different countries, all with different cultures and languages.
Virtually every American is paranoid about leaving the States, many HOFers, your heroes, go entire careers with "home advantage" let alone travel abroad. Any win by a Brit on foreign soil gets 100-x the kudos. The vast majority of stars are mollycoddled from day one, hunted by the biggest, richest outfits in boxing.
Golovkin is the last fighter who deserves criticism for doing his job.
It isn't where you fight no matter how much slickster wants to deceive. It's who you fight. He always wants to turn it into an American thing but the fact he doesn't want you to know behind his deception is historically, yes, Americans fight in America, and it can not be question no matter how much the deceitful try that Americans fight better fighters.
Lately, I don't know. But go ahead folks defend another shite GGG opponent. You've been doing it for years, no reason to stop now. In fact, I'd like to hear one of the classics, tell me how good Rosado is ,😈
It's an awful fight. I wouldn't mind if it was to stay busy and fight some meaningful opponents, but if it is to then be about fighting Canelo again? Well, fuck 'em. I am just not interested. I want to see GGG fight people he hasn't already beaten. A Canelo circus really means nothing except money.
It's easy to say that with your privilege and double standards. I never make anything an American thing, that's your paranoia.
Giving an opinion is not being deceiving or slick. I fully understand why people are disappointed Golovkin is not fighting a bigger threat. If it was up to me Golovkin would be fighting the very best, hardest possible opponent available. Like spoilt little children boxing fans always demand more, more more. I get it.
Canelo's to blame in all this. GGG may have been able to postpone but money has already been spent in getting to this point, not to forget all the training. I do hope he goes another route than Canelo tho, get this fight out of the way, then target BJS, Charlo, Derevyanchenko or Murata.
Fair assessment. Far as I could tell Spike looked cool with his fancy old timely mustache and I’m sure is tough, but didn’t have much of a world class resume. Vanes does at 154...sorta...tho he’s had a couple of gifts as I recall. One against ouma I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Haha, I'm not disappointed. I expected it. I was a huge huge fan when nobody knew who he was. Then I saw the trend, the double talk that always led away from hard fights. But here you are deceiving again, "demand more more more" for simply wanting the MW champion to fight one of MANY worthy contenders rather than a JRQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
MW who hasn't won since 2015 and that was against Ishe Smith. It's not asking for more more more that if he insists on fighting a JR MW he chooses a top JR MW hahaHa
I feel for you man, having to work so hard to defend the indefensible. The fight is pathetic. That it is a stop gap to Canelo in September is pathetic.
Canelo should be totally out of the GGG picture by now. As was said earlier, this mess was entirely CANELO'S FAULT, and has put Golovkin in a very bad, seemingly unwinnable position. Damned it you do, damned if you don't. Meanwhile Ginger gets a laughable 6-month suspension, and again as was said earlier, is laughing his contaminated meat ass off and getting a little vacation to boot. It was Canelo who derailed the train..... and GGG is supposed to run around salvaging the pieces so us fans won't get mad?? Fukk that shet! Look at their respective records. You gotta look at the whole picture, not just this one fight. GGG has taken on anybody who has wanted him at 160. Meanwhile, Canelo has played ring-around-the-rosies with weight divisions as long as we can remember. Golovkin has slowly earned his notoriety, not having the luxury of having been born with a silver spoon in his mouth. So now, because precious Ginger gets caught cheating (something he's done for a LONG TIME)..... Golovkin gets burned at the stake?!? Grow up, people.
This is why I want Golovkin to fight, beat and destroy Canelo in September.
I'd be shocked if Canelo..can't believe I'm even hypothesizing on his 'comeback'..but doubt he fights Golovkin right off vacation and knee surgery. He will probably fight Spike while Golovkin waits around growing older fresh off a who cares Vanes match. I don't want to see anyone miss a payday and fair play to Golovkin filling this botched date for that purpose but that's all it is. Cannot express enough how screwed over he is being here all while cinnamon beef eater will be welcomed back by network and promotion and re anointed. Basically just running a long con.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Basically the only fair thing to do would be to give GGG a certain percentage of Canelo’s purse when they fight. Or if Canelo fights somebody else, he owes GGG a percentage from that fight.
BS. If some twat messed up my career for a year, and being robbed can certainly be included in that messed up year, then I would not be interested in giving that person the time of day again. Sometimes in life there is something more than money and those are your principles. We are in an age where political systems and parties have no principles. GGG needs to kickstart the principle revolution. Fuck Canelo. Let him go and fight Adrien Broner. GGG is a man and should fight other men of standing who will not display a lack of honor or virtue. That Canelo is supported by a man who shoves dildo's up his bum is very, very telling. Stay away from them GGG, they are symbols are a wretched decadence that needs to be swept away.
His principles, like all fighters, probably lie with providing a living for his family not what a bunch of idealistic, greedy ghoulish fans demand.
When Golovkin is lying in hospital getting stitched up, having his injuries tended and his brain analysed for damage you won't be there, like you're not for all the months and months of training and promotion work. You get to switch your stream off until next time, he doesn't.
But the fans are the consumers of the product (boxing) and we are what makes him money. So in that case he owes it to his fans (who make him rich) to make good fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sure, he can fight lesser competition and most of us will still watch him but it’s cheating his viewers who are paying to see him. So in reality he does owe us because we are the people that allow him to do this for a living.
That is very true. I will give GGG a pass for this fight seeing how it was all messed up by Canelo, but my point stands, and that is that you should be a man of principle and move on from Canelo. I don't think anyone is denying that GGG needs to provide for his family, but it is a bit like the mafia saying 'I know you have never broken the law, but this one time take the money and put a bullet in him. Your family could use the money. Your principles are there'. I mean you could do that, but why would you reward a man that has attempted to endanger your life by cheating and wasted a year of your life? Boxing is dangerous enough already. Nah, there is plenty of money at the top and you shouldn't sell out. You are the champion of the world. Just make good fights and the money will come in. It's not as much as if you sell your soul to the devil, but there really is more to life than money.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherBut the fans are the consumers of the product (boxing) and we are what makes him money. So in that case he owes it to his fans (who make him rich) to make good fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sure, he can fight lesser competition and most of us will still watch him but it’s cheating his viewers who are paying to see him. So in reality he does owe us because we are the people that allow him to do this for a living.
Boxers don't owe the fans anything. You can vote with your wallet or your feet but they don't owe you or me owt. The irony is that Golovkin who has been a very active well traveled fighter who had to spend a long time flying under the radar despite a great amateur career, has just proved like Fenster has said, that many boxing fans still won't be happy, whatever he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherBut the fans are the consumers of the product (boxing) and we are what makes him money. So in that case he owes it to his fans (who make him rich) to make good fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sure, he can fight lesser competition and most of us will still watch him but it’s cheating his viewers who are paying to see him. So in reality he does owe us because we are the people that allow him to do this for a living.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonHaha, I'm not disappointed. I expected it. I was a huge huge fan when nobody knew who he was. Then I saw the trend, the double talk that always led away from hard fights. But here you are deceiving again, "demand more more more" for simply wanting the MW champion to fight one of MANY worthy contenders rather than a JRQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
MW who hasn't won since 2015 and that was against Ishe Smith. It's not asking for more more more that if he insists on fighting a JR MW he chooses a top JR MW hahaHa
I feel for you man, having to work so hard to defend the indefensible. The fight is pathetic. That it is a stop gap to Canelo in September is pathetic.
Being on a boxing forum with the name Saddo would kind of indicate that here actually many people knew exactly who he was. Myself and Dia were bigging up his and BJS, long before they became the names they are now. Although If i remember rightly even when still an Amateur at Olympic level, if i remember rightly, Dia said that BJS while technically a great boxer. might struggle without the power he would need as a pro. I thought his technical ability, speed and fluidity in defense would be enough to counter that and so far it has seemed to work.
Hopefully after this mess GGG and BJS can give us all a classic for the Saddos and Purists. For me it's a win, win match up. If BJS manages to stop Golovkin pinning him down and getting his work done, or if GGG manages to slow Saunders down in a war of attrition it's all good. It's a fascinating fight that even an early knockout would not ruin too much. If anything the Cownelo gate affair just adds to Golovkins record now. Everyone can see he fought someone for whom the scales were weighted in many more ways than one and more than held his own. He beat him on everything but the cards.
The irony is that nearly all are advocating for Golovkin one way or another while recognizing he's been left to sweep up Canelos shit show. It's a no win situation as you're ready for steak but are served potted meat last minute. No one is talking about starving his family ffs ;D and frankly to put it simply..he's better than this just left to be just snatching up coins. After all he WON the fight between the two, well save for the judges. And the only cheat here is Canelo. A bad match is a bad match regardless of the situation and they have collectively let him to dangle in that condition.
Exactly, suggesting GGG still is in need of anything after what boxing has given him is only typical deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
GGG could have not boxed, he could have stayed in Kazakhstan if he had an average salary he would make 6,588$ a year. And because the Russians wanted to know the lasting effects of nuclear fallout so they intentionally did their nuclear testing above ground in Kazahkstan his family could have stayed there and died of cancer like many other Kazakhs.
GGG has done quite well in boxing, and when you do well in ANYTHING expectations come along with it. Suggesting that is not natural is deception of the most obvious variety.
It’s like when McDonald’s food gets lower quality over time. It’s so popular that people will eat there still but I hear tons of people say they don’t like it anymore and refuse to eat there. Does McDonald’s owe it’s customers anything? Not technically, but they should cater to the people who are buying their food. It would be weird if their food became really low quality and you said “well they used to be really good and I owe it to them to keep eating there even though the food is gross now.”Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzBoxers don't owe the fans anything. You can vote with your wallet or your feet but they don't owe you or me owt. The irony is that Golovkin who has been a very active well traveled fighter who had to spend a long time flying under the radar despite a great amateur career, has just proved like Fenster has said, that many boxing fans still won't be happy, whatever he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherBut the fans are the consumers of the product (boxing) and we are what makes him money. So in that case he owes it to his fans (who make him rich) to make good fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sure, he can fight lesser competition and most of us will still watch him but it’s cheating his viewers who are paying to see him. So in reality he does owe us because we are the people that allow him to do this for a living.
I am a fan of GGG and have nothing against him. He has fought who he has needed to in the past but recently has let Canelo dictate his career because of the payday. It’s how business works I understand. It doesn’t make it alright though. It’s just unfortunate that a lot of consumers of the product are Mexicans that love lower quality boxing so will always buy Canelo fights.
Vanes Martyrosian is still boxing?!?!?! I was actually surprised by learning that.
He is now! Last fight May 2016 which was a loss to Lara, beat Ishe Smith, lost to Jermell Charlo, Andrade. All at light middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Yeah he hasn't been relevant for a while. Even spike would've made for a better fight but let's all be thankful they didn't dig up the corpse of Margarito or someone like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
i suppose it's better than triple G sitting on the shelf until September. Vanes should give him a few rounds. (Can't be any worse than wade) and vanes isn't the type to lay down
In fairness I don't think boxing gives much to guys taking punches and we really cannot measure a mans needs. Golovkin merits everything he's earned based on those roots and what he came from and obvious ability. But that scale is a two way street and consumers call mismatches out be they some 4 round John Doe or one of the top p4p fighters today. My biggest problem is I think he's being played a bit and the pushback has already shifted off of Canelo the cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonExactly, suggesting GGG still is in need of anything after what boxing has given him is only typical deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
GGG could have not boxed, he could have stayed in Kazakhstan if he had an average salary he would make 6,588$ a year. And because the Russians wanted to know the lasting effects of nuclear fallout so they intentionally did their nuclear testing above ground in Kazahkstan his family could have stayed there and died of cancer like many other Kazakhs.
GGG has done quite well in boxing, and when you do well in ANYTHING expectations come along with it. Suggesting that is not natural is deception of the most obvious variety.
You guys can be so harsh on golovkin. This is a bollocks fight though, I would
You would what? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
It is best not to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou would what? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
Does this defense (his 20th of the WBA) equal Hopkin's record?
Boxrec says it is his 19th.... who to trust I don't know, I guess I could count em :S... also wba is weird and cap with their normal champ and super champ how many of golovkin were normal title defences when the super title was around... same goes for hopkins... all in all it is slightly irellevant. .. but wining 20 in a row for even a fake qorld title is still pretty impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
disagree, who the hell did he fight, he barely got by Canelo
GGG Canelo? How'd you have the fight sunshine? Or are you just about flooding the boards to see your name at the moment? Knock it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I like Brock, he is a little weird and that sits well with me, I did prefer it when he sat in the 'off topic' part of the forum thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliGGG Canelo? How'd you have the fight sunshine? Or are you just about flooding the boards to see your name at the moment? Knock it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Weird works for all of us. Off topic, off in general, logged off. Hey it's flexible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI like Brock, he is a little weird and that sits well with me, I did prefer it when he sat in the 'off topic' part of the forum thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliGGG Canelo? How'd you have the fight sunshine? Or are you just about flooding the boards to see your name at the moment? Knock it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
If we didn't know he was waiting on Clanelo next, which means nothing towards who is the best middleweight in the world, I wouldn't care that he's fighting a guy who never made it moving up off a loss and a long layoff. If you look at GGGs CV this is no different than the rest. I just hate a meaningless fight before a meaningless fight when for the first time in so long there are many meaningful fights at the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIn fairness I don't think boxing gives much to guys taking punches and we really cannot measure a mans needs. Golovkin merits everything he's earned based on those roots and what he came from and obvious ability. But that scale is a two way street and consumers call mismatches out be they some 4 round John Doe or one of the top p4p fighters today. My biggest problem is I think he's being played a bit and the pushback has already shifted off of Canelo the cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonExactly, suggesting GGG still is in need of anything after what boxing has given him is only typical deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
GGG could have not boxed, he could have stayed in Kazakhstan if he had an average salary he would make 6,588$ a year. And because the Russians wanted to know the lasting effects of nuclear fallout so they intentionally did their nuclear testing above ground in Kazahkstan his family could have stayed there and died of cancer like many other Kazakhs.
GGG has done quite well in boxing, and when you do well in ANYTHING expectations come along with it. Suggesting that is not natural is deception of the most obvious variety.
Jacobs rematch overdue
Charlo waiting
BJS waiting
Derevyanchenko waiting
I don't speak about Clanelo because he's a proven cheat. His ONLY relevance is money. Nobody will forget he is a cheat.