Fury and PEDS...

What is the story with his actual ban etc..what was actually confirmed?

Regardless of what Fury has achieved I think we need some more clarification on what he was actually banned for as that will obviously put him in the same bracket as Canelo..

As much as I like Fury and see him as the main man to beat at heavyweight..we can’t overlook the fact that he has cheated in this sport.

Do we ignore Fury’s claims of contaminated meat but persecute Canelo?

Canelo should have received the same 2 year ban.

My honest opinion is that the ban should be for life.

Your thoughts..?

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Fury will blame boxing politics, mental health and contaminated boar.

Fury has served his time for the crime and wants to move on.

Yet he took the drugs, pissed away 3 years of his career and has only himself to blame.

He ate some Mexican beef....that's an ok excuse still right?

I think Canelo gets a bit more shit for it because he has basically fought at whatever weight he’s chosen for years and always blows up so much by fight time. Taking any kind of diuretic when you already play that game is a ridiculous advantage you have to figure. I’m completely ignorant as to what fury took or how many other guys likely do the same thing mind you.

What I read could be completely wrong, but it said Clanelo accepted the punishment after a 2nd sample came back with far higher doses and he took the suspension to keep that quiet.

But again, could have been bad reporting

So the fight with Wlad should be changed to a no contest then, as Fury should have been banned.

AJ vs Wlad in that case was for the actual championship.

Becoming clear that this asterisk of being a meat-cheat as opposed to straight shoving it in your arse cheek or arm is becoming a crutch. There needs to be one system one rule or you'll have another Nery situation and rules made up as they go. I'm still not buying the 'voluntary program' and situation around Cuadras.

Not that this should matter under the law, but.... how much has Fury benefited from PED use vs. how much has Canelo benefited from PED use.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Not that this should matter under the law, but.... how much has Fury benefited from PED use vs. how much has Canelo benefited from PED use.

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Canelo took a hit. Maybe not as big as Fury but there are also other circumstances evolved. Fury had other drug issues.

A 2 year an should be the minimum. If you fail to declare something before hand (Ortiz, Thompson, Floyd) is on you.

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Not that this should matter under the law, but.... how much has Fury benefited from PED use vs. how much has Canelo benefited from PED use.

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Canelo took a hit. Maybe not as big as Fury but there are also other circumstances evolved. Fury had other drug issues.

A 2 year an should be the minimum. If you fail to declare something before hand (Ortiz, Thompson, Floyd) is on you.

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Canelo took a hit? As in penalty? You mean the 6-month slap on the wrist when he wasn't going to fight anyway? The paid vacation type hit?

I agree with the rest. Fury did have other drug issues.... big ones. A 2-year minimum would show these bozos that rules are meant to be followed.

But Canelo didn't take a hit.

Fury was notified of the drug test failure for nandrolone, then stopped fighting for two years whilst the anti doping slow pokes resolved it. Cause fury did nothing for two years they just gave him a back dated ban which fury accepted.. I guess it depends on how you look at it, to me fury failed a drugs test and was banned for it, fury will claim a back dated ban doesn't count and that his absence was due to other factors that had suspiciously convenient timing. :S

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Not that this should matter under the law, but.... how much has Fury benefited from PED use vs. how much has Canelo benefited from PED use.

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Canelo took a hit. Maybe not as big as Fury but there are also other circumstances evolved. Fury had other drug issues.

A 2 year an should be the minimum. If you fail to declare something before hand (Ortiz, Thompson, Floyd) is on you.

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Canelo took a hit? As in penalty? You mean the 6-month slap on the wrist when he wasn't going to fight anyway? The paid vacation type hit?

I agree with the rest. Fury did have other drug issues.... big ones. A 2-year minimum would show these bozos that rules are meant to be followed.

But Canelo didn't take a hit.

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Canelo always had his detractors but the failed tests have them all the ammunition they needed. His legacy will always be tainted, much worse than other that are guilty of the same crime.

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So the fight with Wlad should be changed to a no contest then, as Fury should have been banned.

AJ vs Wlad in that case was for the actual championship.

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Exactly .

Canelo was doing it longer I think

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Originally Posted by Alpha

So the fight with Wlad should be changed to a no contest then, as Fury should have been banned.

AJ vs Wlad in that case was for the actual championship.

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Exactly .

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I'm glad someone else sees it that way.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Canelo was doing it longer I think

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Possibly, I wonder why Hughie got off Scott free.

I'm still amazed that Povetkin and Ortiz are fighting at such high levels what with their peds issues.

Tyson Fury took his hiatus, we'll see IF he'll come back and do anything. To me getting caught on peds is a lot like getting caught loading gloves, I think not being able to use that crutch fucks you up mentally.

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I'm still amazed that Povetkin and Ortiz are fighting at such high levels what with their peds issues.

Tyson Fury took his hiatus, we'll see IF he'll come back and do anything. To me getting caught on peds is a lot like getting caught loading gloves, I think not being able to use that crutch fucks you up mentally.

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We'll we already know Fury has his mental issues.

Has Fury even signed up to the WBC 'clean' boxing program yet? He is ranked in the top 15 and is signed to fight for their title.

Wilder should be forcing this issue, like he did with Povetkin and Ortiz. Maybe he doesn't see Fury as a big of a threat as those guys.

I think it is going to completely screw up Canelo Alvarez not to have that advantage. However in Tyson Fury his case I don't think it will matter much because the guy is just so crazy and so big and tall that he can just use that advantage I mean those advantages without the crutches

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I think it is going to completely screw up Canelo Alvarez not to have that advantage. However in Tyson Fury his case I don't think it will matter much because the guy is just so crazy and so big and tall that he can just use that advantage I mean those advantages without the crutches

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It's such an interesting fight due to all the tangibles, is Fury back to fighting form after the layoff, with gain, drugs etc. Can Wilder deal with Fury's size and style. Can Fury take Wilders punch. Wilder isn't the most sturdiest himself, will Fury wear him down?

Credit to Fury for not extending his soft comeback and Wilder for getting it done.

Is there potential for a rematch here?

Yes I believe that Fury is going to win this fight man. He did not stretch his comeback. He jumped right into this and I have to give him full credit. Think about his confidence level to jump right into this like this. To be honest I don't think Wilder is going to be able to hit Fury. Remember the way Wladimir Klitschko could not seem to pull the trigger against Fury? He couldn't pull the trigger. Now I don't know if that was because of his age which you often do he raging fighter say that they see the openings but they cannot pull the trigger. Or the flip side they see the punches coming but cannot get out of the way. Well Klitschko could not pull the trigger but I think it had a lot to do with Tyson Fury style as well. I can't picture Wilder throwing those very predictable one-twos over and over......will be no straight down the pipe right hands because Fury cannot afford to eat even one of those.

If Fury can't get Wilders respect or hurt him/ back him up, I think he'll be in trouble. Tyson has said himself that he would have preferred another tune up, so jumping in so soon could be a mistake. It's a calculated gamble by both guys.

Wilder may go for a KO 1

Wlad hardly threw his right. I think Wlad could see the openings but couldn't time or let it go. It was the same with Jennings. Fury has been down twice, both from right hands, that's Wilders bread and butter punch.

Fury has been down twice from light punchers, Wilder has been down twice from fat guys :-X

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Wlad hardly threw his right. I think Wlad could see the openings but couldn't time or let it go. It was the same with Jennings. Fury has been down twice, both from right hands, that's Wilders bread and butter punch.

Fury has been down twice from light punchers, Wilder has been down twice from fat guys :-X

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Wlad was not in fighting spirits for that bout had the Wlad who fought Joshua fought Fury it would have been an easy W for Wlad. Shoulda/Coulda/Woulda :dontknow: It was a shit fight



These lanky bastards Wilder and Fury aren't going to stand toe to toe or they might, but both will be against the corners on opposing sides of the ring. Honestly Tyson Fury's biggest target is his fat gut, if I'm Wilder that's where I aim because that ain't moving out of the way it might shift left to right or up and down but it's not getting out of the way unless Fury has learned to bellydance. If I'm Fury I get in close and maul and mangle Wilder his punches are devastating at distance but in tight he'll struggle to land clean and with full force behind it.

Basically he got using PEDS and then went on a mad coke and booze bender, made loads of questionable comments in interviews and then blamed it all on depression and mental health. Basically, he's a bigger bullshitter than Wilder, and bullshit sells, so the fight will probably do ok.

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I'm still amazed that Povetkin and Ortiz are fighting at such high levels what with their peds issues.

Tyson Fury took his hiatus, we'll see IF he'll come back and do anything. To me getting caught on peds is a lot like getting caught loading gloves, I think not being able to use that crutch fucks you up mentally.

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We'll we already know Fury has his mental issues.

Has Fury even signed up to the WBC 'clean' boxing program yet? He is ranked in the top 15 and is signed to fight for their title.

Wilder should be forcing this issue, like he did with Povetkin and Ortiz. Maybe he doesn't see Fury as a big of a threat as those guys.

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Hate to say it but the mental issues could have been an excuse to blow over the PED ban.

As EK mentioned above it’s the same as being caught with loaded gloves.

Should the Wlad fight be called a no contest because of the juice flowing through Fury’s veins at the time?

I like Fury and consider him the best boxer out of the main 3..but the more I think about it he has cheated in this dangerous game and now the focus seems to be more on his ability to loose all the weight and overcome mental illness rather than the fact he was eating dodgy meat like Canelo.

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Basically he got using PEDS and then went on a mad coke and booze bender, made loads of questionable comments in interviews and then blamed it all on depression and mental health. Basically, he's a bigger bullshitter than Wilder, and bullshit sells, so the fight will probably do ok.

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Wilder never cheated.