What divisions do you think have a clear cut, undisputed #1 guy?
Obviously Usyk at Cruiser, apart from that, I feel every other division is debatable.
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What divisions do you think have a clear cut, undisputed #1 guy?
Obviously Usyk at Cruiser, apart from that, I feel every other division is debatable.
Triple G
Hopefully Groves soon.
I thought Jacobs beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Good call on Groves, he's definitely is the #1 guy, but I think he needs to beat Ramirez or Benavidez to become undisputed.
Our to ask the question another way, what divisions have the most debate/ dispute/ competition for the #1 spot?
Welter for example, has Thurman, Spence, Crawford etc. You could add Porter to the mix should he defeat Danny Garcia, as Porter's loss to Thurman could have really gone either way.
I do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
If you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Close fight have to go with judges and official decisions otherwise you would get too many disputes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIf you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
You have to accept the official decision, but you don't have to agree with it. Take a fight you thought one guy won but didn't get the nod, did you think the guy who won was better?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterClose fight have to go with judges and official decisions otherwise you would get too many disputes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIf you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Usyk may be the only clear cut #1. Wangek seems to be the obvious #1 too. Loma is if Garcia isn’t at lightweight anymore.
I was thinking Wangek, but that Estrada fight was basically fight to a standstill.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
If the question is if there is a fighter heads and shoulders above the rest in a division then Usyk is definitely the only one. Part of that reason is because cruiserweight doesn’t have anybody else that good. There are decent fighters there but many other weight classes have at least another guy who is also really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI was thinking Wangek, but that Estrada fight was basically fight to a standstill.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I disagree, it's because he fought and beat the best in the division. People were high on Gassiev until Usyk schooled him, Briedis is also another top guy. Other divisions the best aren't fighting each other, welter for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIf the question is if there is a fighter heads and shoulders above the rest in a division then Usyk is definitely the only one. Part of that reason is because cruiserweight doesn’t have anybody else that good. There are decent fighters there but many other weight classes have at least another guy who is also really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI was thinking Wangek, but that Estrada fight was basically fight to a standstill.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
We should have a clearcut #1 at 118 after the WBSS tourney.
Wangek also fought the top guys and won but because he barely beat Estrada you are saying he isn’t the clear cut #1. So the question seems more to be who is head and shoulders above the rest of their division rather than the clear cut #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI disagree, it's because he fought and beat the best in the division. People were high on Gassiev until Usyk schooled him, Briedis is also another top guy. Other divisions the best aren't fighting each other, welter for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIf the question is if there is a fighter heads and shoulders above the rest in a division then Usyk is definitely the only one. Part of that reason is because cruiserweight doesn’t have anybody else that good. There are decent fighters there but many other weight classes have at least another guy who is also really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI was thinking Wangek, but that Estrada fight was basically fight to a standstill.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
We should have a clearcut #1 at 118 after the WBSS tourney.
Yea undisputed. I thought that Estrada fight could have gone either way. Wangek is #1 in the division, but I think there is enough debate there for his claim as the best to be disputed.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherWangek also fought the top guys and won but because he barely beat Estrada you are saying he isn’t the clear cut #1. So the question seems more to be who is head and shoulders above the rest of their division rather than the clear cut #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI disagree, it's because he fought and beat the best in the division. People were high on Gassiev until Usyk schooled him, Briedis is also another top guy. Other divisions the best aren't fighting each other, welter for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIf the question is if there is a fighter heads and shoulders above the rest in a division then Usyk is definitely the only one. Part of that reason is because cruiserweight doesn’t have anybody else that good. There are decent fighters there but many other weight classes have at least another guy who is also really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI was thinking Wangek, but that Estrada fight was basically fight to a standstill.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
We should have a clearcut #1 at 118 after the WBSS tourney.
I'm going to try have a look for answers to my other question in the thread, about what divisions have the most competition for the #1 spot.
Nope, and I can prove you don’t even agree with what you’re saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterClose fight have to go with judges and official decisions otherwise you would get too many disputes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIf you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
By your own standards GGG is not clear number 1 because he had a close fight and the judges didn’t rule in his (Canelo) favor yet you put him as number 1.
Your response will also be hypocritical, I know what it is and I’ll wait for it.
No point responding to you if you know what it is obi wan kenobi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonNope, and I can prove you don’t even agree with what you’re saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterClose fight have to go with judges and official decisions otherwise you would get too many disputes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIf you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
By your own standards GGG is not clear number 1 because he had a close fight and the judges didn’t rule in his (Canelo) favor yet you put him as number 1.
Your response will also be hypocritical, I know what it is and I’ll wait for it.
That’s a good question. I would say welterweight 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaYea undisputed. I thought that Estrada fight could have gone either way. Wangek is #1 in the division, but I think there is enough debate there for his claim as the best to be disputed.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherWangek also fought the top guys and won but because he barely beat Estrada you are saying he isn’t the clear cut #1. So the question seems more to be who is head and shoulders above the rest of their division rather than the clear cut #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI disagree, it's because he fought and beat the best in the division. People were high on Gassiev until Usyk schooled him, Briedis is also another top guy. Other divisions the best aren't fighting each other, welter for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIf the question is if there is a fighter heads and shoulders above the rest in a division then Usyk is definitely the only one. Part of that reason is because cruiserweight doesn’t have anybody else that good. There are decent fighters there but many other weight classes have at least another guy who is also really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI was thinking Wangek, but that Estrada fight was basically fight to a standstill.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
We should have a clearcut #1 at 118 after the WBSS tourney.
I'm going to try have a look for answers to my other question in the thread, about what divisions have the most competition for the #1 spot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo point responding to you if you know what it is obi wan kenobi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonNope, and I can prove you don’t even agree with what you’re saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterClose fight have to go with judges and official decisions otherwise you would get too many disputes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIf you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
By your own standards GGG is not clear number 1 because he had a close fight and the judges didn’t rule in his (Canelo) favor yet you put him as number 1.
Your response will also be hypocritical, I know what it is and I’ll wait for it.
Obi Ron Kenobi surely
Appreciate you admitting your own logic swallows itself rather than bringing the hypocrisy. Now I know how to finally get you to admit something completely obviousQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo point responding to you if you know what it is obi wan kenobi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonNope, and I can prove you don’t even agree with what you’re saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterClose fight have to go with judges and official decisions otherwise you would get too many disputes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIf you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
By your own standards GGG is not clear number 1 because he had a close fight and the judges didn’t rule in his (Canelo) favor yet you put him as number 1.
Your response will also be hypocritical, I know what it is and I’ll wait for it.
Good. Tell me now so that I can know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonAppreciate you admitting your own logic swallows itself rather than bringing the hypocrisy. Now I know how to finally get you to admit something completely obviousQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo point responding to you if you know what it is obi wan kenobi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonNope, and I can prove you don’t even agree with what you’re saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterClose fight have to go with judges and official decisions otherwise you would get too many disputes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIf you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
By your own standards GGG is not clear number 1 because he had a close fight and the judges didn’t rule in his (Canelo) favor yet you put him as number 1.
Your response will also be hypocritical, I know what it is and I’ll wait for it.
Take off your clothes first then he will tell youQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterGood. Tell me now so that I can know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonAppreciate you admitting your own logic swallows itself rather than bringing the hypocrisy. Now I know how to finally get you to admit something completely obviousQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo point responding to you if you know what it is obi wan kenobi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonNope, and I can prove you don’t even agree with what you’re saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterClose fight have to go with judges and official decisions otherwise you would get too many disputes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIf you think one guy beat the other, then there has to be a dispute about who is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not think you can count close decisions that you disagree with as losses. Golovkin won the fight. Thurman won his fight. They are and were undisputed at their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
By your own standards GGG is not clear number 1 because he had a close fight and the judges didn’t rule in his (Canelo) favor yet you put him as number 1.
Your response will also be hypocritical, I know what it is and I’ll wait for it.
Ok so I've had a look and these are the divisions I feel have the most competition for the #1 spot:Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s a good question. I would say welterweight 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaYea undisputed. I thought that Estrada fight could have gone either way. Wangek is #1 in the division, but I think there is enough debate there for his claim as the best to be disputed.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherWangek also fought the top guys and won but because he barely beat Estrada you are saying he isn’t the clear cut #1. So the question seems more to be who is head and shoulders above the rest of their division rather than the clear cut #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI disagree, it's because he fought and beat the best in the division. People were high on Gassiev until Usyk schooled him, Briedis is also another top guy. Other divisions the best aren't fighting each other, welter for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIf the question is if there is a fighter heads and shoulders above the rest in a division then Usyk is definitely the only one. Part of that reason is because cruiserweight doesn’t have anybody else that good. There are decent fighters there but many other weight classes have at least another guy who is also really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI was thinking Wangek, but that Estrada fight was basically fight to a standstill.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
We should have a clearcut #1 at 118 after the WBSS tourney.
I'm going to try have a look for answers to my other question in the thread, about what divisions have the most competition for the #1 spot.
Light-heavy:
Eleider Alvarez
Adonis Stevenson/ Oleksandr Gvozdyk
Artur Beterbiev
Dmitry Bivol
Badou Jack
Middle: 5
Gennady Golovkin/ Canelo Alvarez
Daniel Jacobs/ Sergiy Derevyanchenko
Billy Joe Saunders
Jermall Charlo
Could add Ryota Murata and Demetrius Andrade
SuperFly:
Wisaksil Wangek
Juan Francisco Estrada
Kazuto Ioka
Jerwin Ancajas
Khalid Yafai
Light-Fly:
Ken Shiro
Hekkie Budler (RSA)
Ryoichi Taguchi (JPN)
Milan Melindo (PHI)
Carlos Canizales
Could add Reiya Konishi