Roger Waters: "Neoliberal propaganda keeping voters ‘asleep’ like Orwellian sheep"

Roger Waters: Neoliberal propaganda keeping voters ‘asleep’ like Orwellian sheep

https://www.rt.com/news/437915-roger...view-politics/

He is right Thatcher, Reagan and the worshipers of free market capitalism have an awful lot to answer for.

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Originally Posted by Beanz

He is right Thatcher, Reagan and the worshipers of free market capitalism have an awful lot to answer for.

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God how you automatically defend the left

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Originally Posted by Beanz

He is right Thatcher, Reagan and the worshipers of free market capitalism have an awful lot to answer for.

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Waters has talked about Israel and it's support for terrorist organizations such as ISIS and the White Helmets. Ever notice how ISIS never targets Israel or Jews?

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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He is right Thatcher, Reagan and the worshipers of free market capitalism have an awful lot to answer for.

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God how you automatically defend the left

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It's a bit of both isn't it really. It's the neo liberal right and then to appease and consolidate authoritarian control and division add in the Cultural Marxist stuff for the left out there. They all work for the same team whence Blair's Labour and Thatcher's Tories being twins. Who opened the borders, went to war and failed to regulate the financial industry? Oh, that was you Labour. Tories do much the same. :rolleyes:

That is why I like people like Alex Jones and Donald Trump and Gerald Celente because they are political atheists and they think that the left and the right are two sides of the same coin

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Originally Posted by Beanz

He is right Thatcher, Reagan and the worshipers of free market capitalism have an awful lot to answer for.

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God how you automatically defend the left

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Quite the opposite read the article. Thatcher and Reagan who he is talking about are about as right wing as it gets. Or so we thought. And neoliberalism is all about free market capitalism. The right wing Conservative voices here are deafening but don't assume that makes me so obviously partisan the other way. It's like an echo chamber.

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That is why I like people like Alex Jones and Donald Trump and Gerald Celente because they are political atheists and they think that the left and the right are two sides of the same coin

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That is just not true. In fact it is a blatant lie. Because Jones is a blatant liar. The majority of the posters here, like 85 to 90% realise the left and right are two sides of the same coin. Meanwhile Jones is an ultra right wing propagandist under the thumb of an ultra Conservative president. Trump is the dictionary definition of the neo Liberal elite.


By no kind of measure can you pretend that yourself, Miles, Lyle, Walrus etc are anything but ultra conservatives. You certainly are not political atheists. The majority of the forum are though and you can probably include Tito and Alpha to that.

That is not a problem but call a spade a spade mate.

I am not an ultra conservative. Silly.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

That is why I like people like Alex Jones and Donald Trump and Gerald Celente because they are political atheists and they think that the left and the right are two sides of the same coin

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That is just not true. In fact it is a blatant lie. Because Jones is a blatant liar. The majority of the posters here, like 85 to 90% realise the left and right are two sides of the same coin. Meanwhile Jones is an ultra right wing propagandist under the thumb of an ultra Conservative president. Trump is the dictionary definition of the neo Liberal elite.


By no kind of measure can you pretend that yourself, Miles, Lyle, Walrus etc are anything but ultra conservatives. You certainly are not political atheists. The majority of the forum are though and you can probably include Tito and Alpha to that.

That is not a problem but call a spade a spade mate.

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ya know beanz will be knocking out left and right are the same you guys are Nazi shit for a while. Before he was running with “establishment Trump” or maybe it was swamp or something. The dude has not one original bone in his body💊 yell Nazi long enough while blocking your ears and it’s true

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Originally Posted by Beanz

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

That is why I like people like Alex Jones and Donald Trump and Gerald Celente because they are political atheists and they think that the left and the right are two sides of the same coin

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That is just not true. In fact it is a blatant lie. Because Jones is a blatant liar. The majority of the posters here, like 85 to 90% realise the left and right are two sides of the same coin. Meanwhile Jones is an ultra right wing propagandist under the thumb of an ultra Conservative president. Trump is the dictionary definition of the neo Liberal elite.


By no kind of measure can you pretend that yourself, Miles, Lyle, Walrus etc are anything but ultra conservatives. You certainly are not political atheists. The majority of the forum are though and you can probably include Tito and Alpha to that.

That is not a problem but call a spade a spade mate.

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ya know beanz will be knocking out left and right are the same you guys are Nazi shit for a while. Before he was running with “establishment Trump” or maybe it was swamp or something. The dude has not one original bone in his body������ yell Nazi long enough while blocking your ears and it’s true

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You are a very silly boy Wally. You seem to think that because many people in America call those who voted for Trump Nazis and because some idiots in the UK say they a similar thing thing about those that voted for Brexit, calling them racist, that I must think exactly as they do, It's not true though it's just a way of you refusing to engage with anyone who does not agree with you. I have friends from the old school left who voted for Brexit and there are people here like Master and I am sure many others, from the centre left and right, who I totally respect who also voted for Brexit. Even Al, whose reasons I may not agree with has my respect for actually going out and putting his money where his mouth is. I am pretty sure Grey voted for Trump and I class him as a friend and absolutely respect his decision in doing so.

For me Trump is a conservative and you don't get much more establishment than that. It does not disqualify him from being a valid choice any more than somebody from the left.

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I am not an ultra conservative. Silly.

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Miles just like Peterson you cannot pretend to be a liberal, or old school labour, or any of that soundbite bollocks you like to play with, when everything you talk abut and stand for and drone on and on about repeatedly for many, many, many, many years are touchstones of conservatism.

Plenty of left wing Labour supporters support tighter border controls on immigration but you have to make it into a virtue signalling exercise like a typical millennial, getting on your soapbox and deriding anyone who does not think like you. Dividing the world into Gandalf and then all the rest of the world. The same with this endless tirade against single mothers and insisting black people and immigrants are the problem and those bloody interfering continentals, rushing to attach yourself to anything you think improves your sense of superiority whilst not actually investing any time of effort in to doing anything about it. You just sound like the 2018 version of Blair's new Labour, all soundbite and no content.

You are full of shit old boy, take some laxatives.

Miles I can’t read what beaner wrote. He had to add my name at the beginning of this with u and Lyle as always labeling my political views when he scolds others for labeling him. Miles, I fear if I read anymore of his bullshit I will jump off a local highway. Notice when u r laying low not saying anything to or mentioning beaner he still needs to come sideways with some bullshit. If he were a CO he would probably catch a frag. But alas miles, it takes all kinds, modulators please keep your bean on a leash

When he rants like that he is not worthy of a meaningful response An ultra conservative does not believe in redistributive taxation or nationalised utilities. Like I say he needs to get to the chemist and pick up his seroquel and get some laxatives to go along with it. Mental.

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When he rants like that he is not worthy of a meaningful response An ultra conservative does not believe in redistributive taxation or nationalised utilities. Like I say he needs to get to the chemist and pick up his seroquel and get some laxatives to go along with it. Mental.

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When he rants like that he is not worthy of a meaningful response An ultra conservative does not believe in redistributive taxation or nationalised utilities. Like I say he needs to get to the chemist and pick up his seroquel and get some laxatives to go along with it. Mental.

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Gaslighting is not really going to work young man. What is strange is that somebody who used to tell us all he was bi-polar and actually using those drugs seems to think suggesting I take an anti-psychotic is a replacement for engaging with the subject of the thread. I though you liked Orwell or is that only as a tool to ridicule and mock the masses with? The Wall that Waters is most famous for is alive and well and here you are trying to erect it between your cabal and the rest of the forum.

He is correct you are "asleep..anaesthetised" I think maybe living South Korea has made you " uncomfortable....to see anything real."

When in the article it says

For Waters the root of this antipathy, in the US at least, lies in part from its poorly funded public education system. In Waters’ view the reason for this lies in the political establishment’s desire to keep an ignorant and compliant population.

“They want to keep the electorate ignorant, and mindless, and unthinking, and malleable, and pliable, and very open to the use of consumerism and propaganda to keep them under control, to maintain the Orwellian notion of the sheep and whatever.”


That is what Trump is doing with his twitter nonsense and carefully managed opposition. It is what InfoWars is bragging about and yet you are lapping it up thinking you are more woke than the everyday fella here on the forum who can see right thru it. You are willingly giving up personal control and signing up to the idea of sides against each other.

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When he rants like that he is not worthy of a meaningful response An ultra conservative does not believe in redistributive taxation or nationalised utilities. Like I say he needs to get to the chemist and pick up his seroquel and get some laxatives to go along with it. Mental.

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Walrus Truce does not mean having to agree with you and your obsession with diagnosing anyone who does not agree with you with mental health problems or having to high five big Pharma.

What on earth are you going on about? See, you keep ranting like a madman and accusing people of things they are not. If you really cannot see the political differences or differentiate between different people then you are clearly beyond help. I happen to agree with Roger Waters on a lot of things too. Seriously, calm the fuck down you strange, strange man.

Like I said to Walrus you are a waste of energy with your contusions and things that exist only in your head. It's not me calling out half the forum as 'ultra conservatives' and being pathologically obsessed with attacking Peterson and comparing everyone to him.

Forgive me for being rude but I suggest at least 700 miligrams of Seroquel and a long time in the loo after those laxatives. Now bugger off and leave everyone alone.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

What on earth are you going on about? See, you keep ranting like a madman and accusing people of things they are not. If you really cannot see the political differences or differentiate between different people then you are clearly beyond help. I happen to agree with Roger Waters on a lot of things too. Seriously, calm the fuck down you strange, strange man.

Like I said to Walrus you are a waste of energy with your contusions and things that exist only in your head. It's not me calling out half the forum as 'ultra conservatives' and being pathologically obsessed with attacking Peterson and comparing everyone to him.

Forgive me for being rude but I suggest at least 700 miligrams of Seroquel and a long time in the loo after those laxatives. Now bugger off and leave everyone alone.

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I would like to report I took exlax two nights ago and woke up in agony in my tummy

Oreos + Slimjims will do that

If his opinion was worth a damn, he would’ve sooner killed himself than release the noise he did.

I expect this is some kind of stoning offence like John Cleese saying "Jehovah' in The Life of Brian, but I will risk reposting the actual words of the guy himself from the linked to article

" Because they’re asleep. Because they’re the victims of the neoliberalism that Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher brought to the world,” Waters said."

I have zero issue with you, and the last thing I’ll do is take a side in the endless quibble you have with a few guys here; but, do you think individual politicians are ever solely responsible for mass movements, or that a musicians opinions on them is worth much?

The cultural Marxist takeover of the Western World which started I'm going to say and real significant full force in the late 1980s has been powered and manufactured and brain child by groups of educators and policymakers beginning in the 1960s. Political correctness has completely handcuffed people in their free speech and demonises people to be Nazis or fascist or racist or xenophobes or misogynist

Ronald Reagan had nothing to do with that

Roger waters also said if it were not for the Beatles there never would have been Pink Floyd

I never really got into Pink Floyd. Very good musicians, but you can tell Waters studied architecture. The music is well constructed, but lacks melody or true emotion. I find Dark Side of the Moon to be a very dull album.

Smoked 2 joints, age 16, sitting on curb hot summer night, 9 p.m., August 1980, 3 friends, boom box, smoked 2 joints, it was Hawaiian reefer, sitting in the darkness in suburbia, stoned bad, .....guy pops in a cassette..... So stoned, everything quiet as a mouse, we light a 3rd joint, Mike says "Steve, this weed is Acapulco Gold",....... Stoned even more..... Pure silence, darkness......
Roger hits the play button.......

Faintly, so faintly, at the edge of hearing, you hear strings, so faint.... Slowly, so slowly, crescendoing...... Strings, ...... Louder, drawn out, approaching, crescendoing......

Fucking mouths hanging open in amazement, mind-blowing.....

Stoned as all hell......

Then it hit:. SHINE ON YOU CRAZY DIAMOND

*****ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY AN EPIPHANY

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I have zero issue with you, and the last thing I’ll do is take a side in the endless quibble you have with a few guys here; but, do you think individual politicians are ever solely responsible for mass movements, or that a musicians opinions on them is worth much?

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No. That said Thatcherism definitely changed this country and people's attitude massively. Her saying 'there is no such thing as society' seemed to coincide with yuppies, the 80s obsession with ostentatious displays of wealth and her stamping down the unions and killing the coal industry etc. So to pretend that Waters talking about her and Reagan, which is exactly what he Says, is somehow about political correctness etc is an inversion of reality. Neoliberalism is literally the opposite of socialism. Thatcher started the rush to privatise publicly held utilities. Everything getting reduced down to a financial transaction got us here. Trump is a neoliberalist, so is Peterson and Thatcher and Reagan started it all - https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...george-monbiot

So please explain who started Political correctness

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So please explain who started Political correctness

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I will start a thread. This is not the thread for such a big question.

I disagree that Peterson is neo liberal, Beanz. He said himself that on many things he is liberal meaning progressive. He just accepts that there is a natural struggle between left and right and that this is healthy. My take on that is that we cannot all be equal but by the same token we don't want people starving in the streets. It's about finding that optimal balance. Seems like an ordinary bloke in that regard. You seem to have become a bit obsessed with Peterson, but really I do not consider him to be akin to Thatcher or Reagan in the slightest.

On the topic of Shine on you crazy diamond I do enjoy that song, but think the rest of the album is tedious. I like what Waters says politically, I really do, but I just find his music does not touch me.

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I disagree that Peterson is neo liberal, Beanz. He said himself that on many things he is liberal meaning progressive. He just accepts that there is a natural struggle between left and right and that this is healthy. My take on that is that we cannot all be equal but by the same token we don't want people starving in the streets. It's about finding that optimal balance. Seems like an ordinary bloke in that regard. You seem to have become a bit obsessed with Peterson, but really I do not consider him to be akin to Thatcher or Reagan in the slightest.

On the topic of Shine on you crazy diamond I do enjoy that song, but think the rest of the album is tedious. I like what Waters says politically, I really do, but I just find his music does not touch me.

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I can see why you would say that because on the surface his claims would distance himself from those who see terms like liberal and progressive as being interchangeable with having no moral values and favouring a descent from order into chaos. All his actions and most of his rhetoric though confirm that Neo liberalism is an ideology he shares with Thatcher. It is at the heart of everything he has written and lectured about. Everything is reduced down to competition and hierarchies. When Thatcher said

"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand “I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!” or “I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!” “I am homeless, the Government must house me!” and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first."




Do you really think that is so different to JP?He believes in non-regulated capitalism just like a Neo-liberal. He is in short a conservative. When he calls himself a 'Classic British Liberal' it's just another way of him saying two things at once, but that does not mean progressive it means economic liberalism surely? You are the Politics and History graduate, I may be mistaken. He seems to believe in social Darwinism and conservative values.

If you had quoted Peterson saying that then I would no doubt agree with you, but Peterson has not said such words. I think it is what you want Peterson to be rather than what he is. I haven't really seen anything in his writing to suggest to me he is a neo liberal. You seem to think advocating personal responsibility makes someone an automatic neo liberal, but Peterson also argues that there is as much need of the left as there is of the right and this struggle is how we optimise society. My own views are a little bit different, but that's how Peterson thinks. Certainly my take on him anyway.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

I disagree that Peterson is neo liberal, Beanz. He said himself that on many things he is liberal meaning progressive. He just accepts that there is a natural struggle between left and right and that this is healthy. My take on that is that we cannot all be equal but by the same token we don't want people starving in the streets. It's about finding that optimal balance. Seems like an ordinary bloke in that regard. You seem to have become a bit obsessed with Peterson, but really I do not consider him to be akin to Thatcher or Reagan in the slightest.

On the topic of Shine on you crazy diamond I do enjoy that song, but think the rest of the album is tedious. I like what Waters says politically, I really do, but I just find his music does not touch me.

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I can see why you would say that because on the surface his claims would distance himself from those who see terms like liberal and progressive as being interchangeable with having no moral values and favouring a descent from order into chaos. All his actions and most of his rhetoric though confirm that Neo liberalism is an ideology he shares with Thatcher. It is at the heart of everything he has written and lectured about. Everything is reduced down to competition and hierarchies. When Thatcher said

"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand “I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!” or “I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!” “I am homeless, the Government must house me!” and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first."




Do you really think that is so different to JP?He believes in non-regulated capitalism just like a Neo-liberal. He is in short a conservative. When he calls himself a 'Classic British Liberal' it's just another way of him saying two things at once, but that does not mean progressive it means economic liberalism surely? You are the Politics and History graduate, I may be mistaken. He seems to believe in social Darwinism and conservative values.

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I thought the Thatcher quote was about the black kids carving each other up.