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What he's done with Fury is pretty incredible when you think about it.
26 years years old and a novice really, he's literally put his life on hold for 14 months to get Fury into shape.
The instructions from the corner on Sat were clear, calm and sensible.
He never showed any signs of nerves at all during the fight and entire build up.
Trainer of the year material?
I think he's in with a shout.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...-wilder-fight/
I think we all did a bit of a 'who the fuck is this bloke?' when Fury and him got together. People were concerned about him maybe shrinking into the background a bit given the magnitude and being flanked by Hatton and Roach. Not one bit of it, he was the boss and conducted himself impeccably.
Dunno about Trainer of the year, but I reckon that he comes out of Saturday with more credit than anybody, Including Fury.
He has been absolutely fantastic and he’s managed to control somebody who was out of control.
Big respect for him.
Trainer of the year is probably pushing it but fair play to the bloke. He went from a MGM Global fitness bod to renowned boxing guru in the space of a year.
When he first popped up and Fury was ripping the piss out him calling him a "bag carrier" and whatnot I thought he'd been picked as the scapegoat.
round 11 - He's gunna come at you like a bombard.....whatever a fucking bombard isQuote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
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Freddie Roach criticises Tyson Fury trainer Ben Davison for Deontay Wilder instructions
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxin...-fury-13722395
That's a complete and utter liberty to say in public. Sounds like he's disappointed he wasn't lauded as the mastermind saviour.
“It’s funny, Ben gave the exact same instruction to the 126 lbs fighter as he did the heavyweight fighter, so I said ‘wait… why are you treating these people the same?’ These fighters know each other, but they’re not the same. His instructions were the same and choreographed for both guys, so I was a little disappointed.
“He did a great job with the conditioning, the weight loss and all that, and he’s only a 26-year-old kid.”
He may as well have said - "Ben don't know shit about boxing"
For what it's worth I agree with the point he's raising. I was looking for Fury to be far more aggressive in a couple of spots during the fight where it looked like he might have Wilder beat.
That said, the way he's done it here is just out of order. I know he's not shy when it comes to slagging off his contemporaries but to do it in such a snide way is really poor form.
He's sounding like a sour old cunt who's pitching to be the main man in the corner. He thought Tyson won so he should have no problem with the way Ben did business. He could have made that point in a positive way rather than a condescending one.
TEARY-EYED Tyson Fury corner man Freddie Roach claims trainer Ben Davison cried in corner during Deontay Wilder fight, criticises young Brit.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...-wilder-fight/
Unpopular opinion, but I’ve always thought Roach gets a pass and gets away with talking shit because of his Parkinson’s disease.
When Floyd Snr. Kept calling him “Cock Roach” , people felt sorry for Freddie and felt he was kind of being bullied.
In truth, Freddie is a slimey cunt . No reason to put this out in the public domain.
You’re right, and he is a horrible human being.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I do not see a problem with what Roach said. If that is how he sees it then so be it. Fury has made no technical progress since coming back and did not win the fight so maybe Roach has a point.
Roach should have said this to Davisons face behind closed doors not behind his back when he's back in the UK on a tv show.
I do agree the Fury should be more aggressive at times but maybe not having that real KO power holds him back mentally?
I can recall umpteen times @Scrap has been asked on here what his thoughts are on other trainers methods. I can also recall each and every time that question was met with the same response. A polite and professional 'I never discuss other peoples business'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Thinking it and saying it publicly are very different things. It is never acceptable to publicly slag off colleagues and dressing it up as calling it as one sees it is no excuse.
I've said that I agree with what Freddie was saying, but there's always a flip side. There were occasions where Tyson could have been more aggressive, but there were also occasions when he threw one punch too many in a combination and finished it in a poor position to defend himself. That was the greed Ben was talking about and he was spot on.
Tyson is a much much better boxer than Wilder. What technical improvement are you hoping to see?
I think that’s a bit harsh. The Fury that fought Wilder was (surprisingly to me) many levels above what he looked like against Pianeta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
And you could even say that considering Wilder asked more questions than Wlad, that this was technically better .
Have to say, I never thought I would be saying that.
Fury was similar really. He was just in better shape. Technically he was the same as always. Fury knows more about boxing than his trainer and Roach knows more than both of them. When you have trained Toney and Pac you have seen it all. If Roach thinks mistakes were made then so be it. It's up to him where and how he says it. No need for any tears.
No need for any tears, you’re right. But there’s a difference between “tears” and calling someone a snakey cunt. And Roach is a snakey cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Just because he’s trained some good guys, who by the way weren’t with him their whole careers, so it’s debatable what he gave them, doesn’t mean he’s not a snakey cunt.
I guess you saying he is a snakey cunt makes him a snakey cunt. I prefer to look at it more as if he wants to say something that he has observed then he is free to say it. Nobody is getting hurt by a trainer saying 'He should have encouraged him to go for it more and I wasn't impressed with the crying at the end'. It is a difference of opinion and big deal if Roach said it with the cameras on. I see that as being open and if Fury's team has an issue then they can talk to Roach and he will say the same if he hasn't already of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo need for any tears, you’re right. But there’s a difference between “tears” and calling someone a snakey cunt. And Roach is a snakey cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Just because he’s trained some good guys, who by the way weren’t with him their whole careers, so it’s debatable what he gave them, doesn’t mean he’s not a snakey cunt.
I happen to agree with him. Fury didn't win because in several rounds there were no more than a couple of punches between them and he got knocked down twice. At least take a few risks to get the win otherwise you probably won't get the win.
You could argue Fury took too much of a risk in the last round.
He could have gone on his bicycle, but the truth is he fought the 12th much like every other round. Wilder just landed the punches better at last.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Only Freddie Roach believes that if Freddie Roach was at the helm, Fury would have won by knockout for sure. Roach would have probably got him knocked out before half way is the truth of it.
Technical adjustments aside, we're talking about professional courtesy aren't we? A bit of basic decency that says don't air your dirty laundry in public, if you've got a problem with a colleague deal with it internally. Roach has routinely demonstrated over the years that he's lacking in class and a bit of a rat, a bit of whinger where other fighters/trainers are concerned. He's not alone of course, look at the interview Dom Ingle did recently concerning Brook moving on. Yeah it was all amicable but basically I'm alright and he's a bit of a cunt.
uh, me saying he's a snakey cunt doesn't make him a snakey cunt . HE IS A SNAKEY CUNT -FACT . Whether what he said is true or not, I'm not overly worried about , I think nearly everyone can see why he said what he said, but hey ho.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI guess you saying he is a snakey cunt makes him a snakey cunt. I prefer to look at it more as if he wants to say something that he has observed then he is free to say it. Nobody is getting hurt by a trainer saying 'He should have encouraged him to go for it more and I wasn't impressed with the crying at the end'. It is a difference of opinion and big deal if Roach said it with the cameras on. I see that as being open and if Fury's team has an issue then they can talk to Roach and he will say the same if he hasn't already of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNo need for any tears, you’re right. But there’s a difference between “tears” and calling someone a snakey cunt. And Roach is a snakey cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Just because he’s trained some good guys, who by the way weren’t with him their whole careers, so it’s debatable what he gave them, doesn’t mean he’s not a snakey cunt.
I happen to agree with him. Fury didn't win because in several rounds there were no more than a couple of punches between them and he got knocked down twice. At least take a few risks to get the win otherwise you probably won't get the win.
And the very fact that he doesn't have any detailed dealings with Fury means he has no clue what he is like, and what his strengths and weaknesses are .
OK, so let's entertain the possibility that Snakey was the main man in the Fury corner, and he instructs Fury to go for the KO . Then Fury gets KO'd! what does Snakey say then? I'm sure he'll squirm out of it and blame Fury , and onto the next mug!
Fury doesn't have relative power. The reason he doesn't have power is because of his movement. he never plants his feet to plug guys, because if he does, he negates his biggest asset , his awkward movement and style.
so when he negates that , he is also susceptible to getting floored himself, we've seen that before. He always gets back up, but the more times that happens, the more chance that eventually he won't get up . so he uses his Boxing skills, which to be fair is what it's all about anyway , isn't it ?
How would Snakey have even got Fury to this stage ? he would never have lost that weight with Snakey in Charge, because Snakey doesn't know the character and what makes him tick .
And that's the key. you have to understand the Man, build a relationship with him, it's the way he is.
Fuck me, Snakey can't even forge a relationship with Manny ffs. Manny letting him know through the media he won't be training him for the Broner fight and more or less saying "the old man needs a rest, he's not up to it."
I am guessing Roach is not on your Christmas card list this year too.
Primo, Fury needed to do more. I don't think going for a KO was needed. That is hyperbole with Fury's KO record and Wilder being determined, but for me at least, to win a round clearly you need several punches beyond the other guy. That makes it decisive, just too nip and tuck for me.
I thought GGG edged Canelo but likewise that was closer than the first fight too. Tough matchups end up close.
I don't mind Roach saying that as there is some truth there. Bit wild with KO stuff but Fury could have thrown and landed more.
Both fighters had terrible output really.
Mate, some of what you're saying is undeniably right. But this isn't about what Roach said, it's about how he went about it . For me, Fury won the fight, but with Wilder putting him down in 2 rounds , you can see why it was a draw. It's disappointing, but we should come to expect it now. not exactly the Great Train Robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Fury needed to do more - Yep, maybe he did , to make his dominance clearer. But if he could've done more , he would've . we're talking about a guy who has not fought a meaningful fight in 3 years and in that time put on and lost 10 stone, taken Coke and allegedly nearly killed himself. I think he overachieved in this fight tbh.
look back in time and you'll see I'm not exactly Fury's no.1 fan , but credit where credit is due.
But Roach isn't saying that. Roach said "there were a couple of occasions where I would have instructed him to go for the KO." implying that if he were coach Fury could've knocked Wilder out. But that's not strictly true. he may have got caught himself and got KTFO.
Roach was asked to be in Fury's corner because they respected him. In return , he should have enough respect for them not to talk out of school. He said that they're due to meet up in January, he could've waited till then to mention it to them directly. What was to be gained for saying it in an interview now?
In case anyone needs evidence that his thousands of lies don’t provide to show Roach is a snake. Here we have him being racist against Mexicans and an Anti-Semite
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IuGuByc3N7Y
Trainer of the year? No way, it's definently eddy reynoso, his fighter has 1.5 MILLLLLLLLLION onstage am followers. ...that's the important thing!
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Originally Posted by palmerq
Jamie Moore clearly overtook him tonight. The way he told Fielding to keep going was genius. Imagine what we would have missed out on had he not.