Ben Davison - Trainer of the year?

[Gandalf]

I do not see a problem with what Roach said. If that is how he sees it then so be it. Fury has made no technical progress since coming back and did not win the fight so maybe Roach has a point.

[smashup]

Roach should have said this to Davisons face behind closed doors not behind his back when he's back in the UK on a tv show.
I do agree the Fury should be more aggressive at times but maybe not having that real KO power holds him back mentally?

[Memphis]

I do not see a problem with what Roach said. If that is how he sees it then so be it. Fury has made no technical progress since coming back and did not win the fight so maybe Roach has a point.

I can recall umpteen times @Scrap has been asked on here what his thoughts are on other trainers methods. I can also recall each and every time that question was met with the same response. A polite and professional 'I never discuss other peoples business'.

Thinking it and saying it publicly are very different things. It is never acceptable to publicly slag off colleagues and dressing it up as calling it as one sees it is no excuse.

I've said that I agree with what Freddie was saying, but there's always a flip side. There were occasions where Tyson could have been more aggressive, but there were also occasions when he threw one punch too many in a combination and finished it in a poor position to defend himself. That was the greed Ben was talking about and he was spot on.

Tyson is a much much better boxer than Wilder. What technical improvement are you hoping to see?

[Primo Carnera]

I do not see a problem with what Roach said. If that is how he sees it then so be it. Fury has made no technical progress since coming back and did not win the fight so maybe Roach has a point.

I think that’s a bit harsh. The Fury that fought Wilder was (surprisingly to me) many levels above what he looked like against Pianeta.
And you could even say that considering Wilder asked more questions than Wlad, that this was technically better .
Have to say, I never thought I would be saying that.

[Gandalf]

Fury was similar really. He was just in better shape. Technically he was the same as always. Fury knows more about boxing than his trainer and Roach knows more than both of them. When you have trained Toney and Pac you have seen it all. If Roach thinks mistakes were made then so be it. It's up to him where and how he says it. No need for any tears.

[Primo Carnera]

Fury was similar really. He was just in better shape. Technically he was the same as always. Fury knows more about boxing than his trainer and Roach knows more than both of them. When you have trained Toney and Pac you have seen it all. If Roach thinks mistakes were made then so be it. It's up to him where and how he says it. No need for any tears.

No need for any tears, you’re right. But there’s a difference between “tears” and calling someone a snakey cunt. And Roach is a snakey cunt.
Just because he’s trained some good guys, who by the way weren’t with him their whole careers, so it’s debatable what he gave them, doesn’t mean he’s not a snakey cunt.

[Gandalf]

Fury was similar really. He was just in better shape. Technically he was the same as always. Fury knows more about boxing than his trainer and Roach knows more than both of them. When you have trained Toney and Pac you have seen it all. If Roach thinks mistakes were made then so be it. It's up to him where and how he says it. No need for any tears.

No need for any tears, you’re right. But there’s a difference between “tears” and calling someone a snakey cunt. And Roach is a snakey cunt.
Just because he’s trained some good guys, who by the way weren’t with him their whole careers, so it’s debatable what he gave them, doesn’t mean he’s not a snakey cunt.

I guess you saying he is a snakey cunt makes him a snakey cunt. I prefer to look at it more as if he wants to say something that he has observed then he is free to say it. Nobody is getting hurt by a trainer saying 'He should have encouraged him to go for it more and I wasn't impressed with the crying at the end'. It is a difference of opinion and big deal if Roach said it with the cameras on. I see that as being open and if Fury's team has an issue then they can talk to Roach and he will say the same if he hasn't already of course.

I happen to agree with him. Fury didn't win because in several rounds there were no more than a couple of punches between them and he got knocked down twice. At least take a few risks to get the win otherwise you probably won't get the win.

[Master]

You could argue Fury took too much of a risk in the last round.

[Gandalf]

You could argue Fury took too much of a risk in the last round.

He could have gone on his bicycle, but the truth is he fought the 12th much like every other round. Wilder just landed the punches better at last.

[Primo Carnera]

Fury was similar really. He was just in better shape. Technically he was the same as always. Fury knows more about boxing than his trainer and Roach knows more than both of them. When you have trained Toney and Pac you have seen it all. If Roach thinks mistakes were made then so be it. It's up to him where and how he says it. No need for any tears.

No need for any tears, you’re right. But there’s a difference between “tears” and calling someone a snakey cunt. And Roach is a snakey cunt.
Just because he’s trained some good guys, who by the way weren’t with him their whole careers, so it’s debatable what he gave them, doesn’t mean he’s not a snakey cunt.

I guess you saying he is a snakey cunt makes him a snakey cunt. I prefer to look at it more as if he wants to say something that he has observed then he is free to say it. Nobody is getting hurt by a trainer saying 'He should have encouraged him to go for it more and I wasn't impressed with the crying at the end'. It is a difference of opinion and big deal if Roach said it with the cameras on. I see that as being open and if Fury's team has an issue then they can talk to Roach and he will say the same if he hasn't already of course.

I happen to agree with him. Fury didn't win because in several rounds there were no more than a couple of punches between them and he got knocked down twice. At least take a few risks to get the win otherwise you probably won't get the win.

uh, me saying he's a snakey cunt doesn't make him a snakey cunt . HE IS A SNAKEY CUNT -FACT . Whether what he said is true or not, I'm not overly worried about , I think nearly everyone can see why he said what he said, but hey ho.
And the very fact that he doesn't have any detailed dealings with Fury means he has no clue what he is like, and what his strengths and weaknesses are .
OK, so let's entertain the possibility that Snakey was the main man in the Fury corner, and he instructs Fury to go for the KO . Then Fury gets KO'd! what does Snakey say then? I'm sure he'll squirm out of it and blame Fury , and onto the next mug!
Fury doesn't have relative power. The reason he doesn't have power is because of his movement. he never plants his feet to plug guys, because if he does, he negates his biggest asset , his awkward movement and style.
so when he negates that , he is also susceptible to getting floored himself, we've seen that before. He always gets back up, but the more times that happens, the more chance that eventually he won't get up . so he uses his Boxing skills, which to be fair is what it's all about anyway , isn't it ?
How would Snakey have even got Fury to this stage ? he would never have lost that weight with Snakey in Charge, because Snakey doesn't know the character and what makes him tick .
And that's the key. you have to understand the Man, build a relationship with him, it's the way he is.
Fuck me, Snakey can't even forge a relationship with Manny ffs. Manny letting him know through the media he won't be training him for the Broner fight and more or less saying "the old man needs a rest, he's not up to it."

[Master]

I am guessing Roach is not on your Christmas card list this year too.