Will Deontay Wilder be brave enough to rematch Tyson Fury in the UK?

Or will he demand home country advantage?

It's only fair that the rematch be in the UK.

Wilder was willing to travel to Russia so he is definitely willing to travel to UK as long as the money is right for him.

I think there will be a rematch in the UK, unless Vegas becomes interested.

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Originally Posted by Master

Wilder was willing to travel to Russia so he is definitely willing to travel to UK as long as the money is right for him.

I think there will be a rematch in the UK, unless Vegas becomes interested.

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Wilder complained bitterly about going to Russia, but had to or he would have lost his title, because Povetkin's promoter won the purse bid.

If he had a choice at that time, like he does now, he would NOT have gone overseas.

And then he refused to fight Povetkin, after there was a false accusation of PED use. Povetkin apparently had a tiny, microscopic trace of some substance that was NOT a steroid and had been legal until a couple of months before.

Wilder Talks Povetkin “It Is Too Cold in Russia”

Wilder was on the plane ready to do a Rocky 4.

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by Master

Wilder was willing to travel to Russia so he is definitely willing to travel to UK as long as the money is right for him.

I think there will be a rematch in the UK, unless Vegas becomes interested.

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Wilder complained bitterly about going to Russia, but had to or he would have lost his title, because Povetkin's promoter won the purse bid.

If he had a choice at that time, like he does now, he would NOT have gone overseas.

And then he refused to fight Povetkin, after there was a false accusation of PED use. Povetkin apparently had a tiny, microscopic trace of some substance that was NOT a steroid and had been legal until a couple of months before.

Wilder Talks Povetkin “It Is Too Cold in Russia”

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Wilder was literally on his way, and it wasn’t even up to him, the fight wouldn’t have been sanctioned due to povetkins failed test, which wasn’t his first. He is a proven drug cheat.

Going to be hard to get the money right in the UK. Some reports say the PPV will end up near 400k in USA alone. Knowing that the 2nd would do better numbers you give away too much money doing it in the UK which would kill US PPV sales. US fight fans just won’t buy a mid day fight.

In an ideal world it should be in the UK because Tyson won the fight and because Tyson travelled first go. Just don’t expect fair to trump dollars

How many UK PPV buys needed to match the US dollars?

320,000 US buys at $75 = 24000000

A Million UK buys at $25 = 25000000

(just a rough estimate)

By those numbers it's clear they could double the PPV price in the UK for either against Joshua and it would beat a million. And any fight between the three packs a football stadium.

I think Wilder will fight fury in the uk , its a perfect chance to raise his profile.
He know if he forces the action he can hurt fury , can fury box any better than he did on Saturday ?
That's what we need to find out.

He’s a bitch pussy with poor grammar. There’s no way he’s going to the UK for a rematch.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I think Wilder will fight fury in the uk , its a perfect chance to raise his profile.
He know if he forces the action he can hurt fury , can fury box any better than he did on Saturday ?
That's what we need to find out.

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I think Fury can get in even better condition and be more seasoned for Wilder in the rematch.

There were times Fury was pushing Wilder back and if Tyson has no relapse in concentration he can win the contest more emphatically.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

How many UK PPV buys needed to match the US dollars?

320,000 US buys at $75 = 24000000

A Million UK buys at $25 = 25000000

(just a rough estimate)

By those numbers it's clear they could double the PPV price in the UK for either against Joshua and it would beat a million. And any fight between the three packs a football stadium.

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320 is the first PPV, go look at the numbers for Joshua’s first PPV, Maywrathers, GGGs, literally anyone. Fighters numbers rise. Pretending not to realize that is disingenuous.

I really don’t understand if people pretend not to understand or genuinely don’t understand the numbers. This is not complicated. And it is clear as day

You are presenting an argument that makes horrible business sense, what does it serve to do so?

Let me put it very simply.

Deontay/AJ in US=US and UK PPV
Deontay/Fury in US=US and UK PPV
Deontay/AJ in UK=UK PPV
Deontay/Fury in UK=UK PPV

The US fans simply aren’t as devoted, they won’t buy an afternoon fight there is empirical evidence.

AJ/Fury=UK PPV

It’s not fair or right but it is how it is. To maximize you want both markets. And Fury and Wilder both just became bigger stars. Not AJ in UK big but bigger. A Wilder/Fury rematch does 600k in US easy, probably more like a million. That’s just in the US. An AJ/Wilder fight after that does 1 million in the US easy

You don’t sacrifice 30 million in PPV to get 5 million at the gate.(example looking at gates of AJs last stadium fight vs Wilder/Fury)

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

He’s a bitch pussy with poor grammar. There’s no way he’s going to the UK for a rematch.

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Translate to English please I do not understand your point ?

I got a feeling we’ll see AJ v Wilder next in April.

Wilder will get more money for that one and might see it as potentially more winnable so he could then cash in further with Fury rematch.

Wilder AJ is a pick em fight for me.

I think Wilder would travel if the money is right.

Personally I think the mandatories are going to start getting in the way soon.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46489617

MANDATORIES dont seem to be a problem here :S..

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Originally Posted by palmerq

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/46489617

MANDATORIES dont seem to be a problem here :S..

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I don't mean they'll get in the way of a Wilder/ Fury rematch, but I do think they may start to get in the way of the 2 best eventually fighting. Lets say Wilder/ Fury 2 does come off next. The winner will probably have to defend against Breazeale, unless a unification can be made. AJ will need to defend against Whyte and Pulev soon. We might not get the 2 best fighting each other until at least 2020.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

How many UK PPV buys needed to match the US dollars?

320,000 US buys at $75 = 24000000

A Million UK buys at $25 = 25000000

(just a rough estimate)

By those numbers it's clear they could double the PPV price in the UK for either against Joshua and it would beat a million. And any fight between the three packs a football stadium.

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320 is the first PPV, go look at the numbers for Joshua’s first PPV, Maywrathers, GGGs, literally anyone. Fighters numbers rise. Pretending not to realize that is disingenuous.

I really don’t understand if people pretend not to understand or genuinely don’t understand the numbers. This is not complicated. And it is clear as day

You are presenting an argument that makes horrible business sense, what does it serve to do so?

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I didn't present an argument I asked a question followed by a guesstimate. The purpose was to waffle about about boxing with my Saddo boxing friends.

My only point being - the disparity of price between UK-USA PPV is virtually offset by the amount of buys by comparison. I fully agree with your follow point that two PPVs are more lucrative than one.

However, Fury-AJ would easily smash 2 million PPV buys in Britain with a price increase.

As for your point about it being Wilder's first PPV, it's not a very strong argument comparing with fighters of the past, Wilder has only one other dance partner (Joshua) who can create the buzz/interest for this amount of sales. Arguably Fury sold the fight.

Look at the history of PPVs, it takes two to tango. Wilder is never going to be a phenom like Joshua or Canelo who can sell 500,000 PPV against British title level guys. Wilder is never going to be an American PPV star, he needs the right dance partner.

What’s the record for ppv buys in the uk? I can’t find anything about it. Also, people talk about stadiums selling out etc, but the gate still seems to be far less than in America, as the vast majority of sales are for nosebleed seats which go cheap, as they should, being a shitty way to watch a fight. I’d be happy to be wrong, but on a couple of quick searches they don’t compare. AJ-Klitschko apparently did somewhere around 12 million US for the live gate, 8 or 9 million pounds, whatever it was. That’s less than Calzaghe-Hopkins did in America, for instance.

Apparently Joshua-Wlad is the record at 1.5 million. Joshua's last few PPVs have all beat a million. Floyd-Manny and Floyd-Hatton were the records before with over million. Haye did over a million a couple of times too.

I don't buy these Wembley gates are less than US ones (barring super fights in Vegas - Floyd/Manny/Oscar). It's well known all American fights are comped, even the big Vegas ones, when they don't sell out.

How did Fury-Wilder go from 7000 to 17,000 with a couple of weeks to go? I even heard a tout on a podcast advising people to wait until the day of the fight to get the tickets for dirt cheap.

I know for certain the TV money in the States is much bigger than the UK.

(happy to read someone give actual figures and a breakdown)

Beats me, that’s why I asked. It stands to reason the promoters and networks would know and stage the fights where it makes the most money. It’s not just that these super fights seem to make slightly more at the gate in America, though. From everything I can find, a good few mayweather fights made roughly 6 or 7 times what that AJ fight did at the gate alone, having less than a quarter of the attendance. That tells you it isn’t a stretch to imagine that other fights would at least be in the same ballpark, comped or not. I’ve been in the nosebleeds for a UFC fight in Vegas, which was comped as it happens, and it was a completely pointless way to watch, didn’t take my eyes off the big screen for more than a few seconds at a time.

I'd say the fight should be in a neutral country- Germany, Mexico, Macau, Japan or Argentina. lololol...

Why wouldn't anywhere in Europe buy into Dury/AJ/Wilder fights?

Thread so far has been UK/US buy

I hesitate to do a Ross here, but lets get it straight, Fury got a 10-2 rounds decision. No media bollox can cover that up. 10 rounds at 10 points plus two at 8 equals 116 for Fury, ten rounds at 9 points plus two at ten equals 110 for Wilder. Ask Dave Coldwell or any other boxer (as opposed to mediabollox man) who scored it.

Personally I think it would be a hoot, especially as Fury has now a WBC sanction, if he sat back and said 'OK AJ, I took the risk now you do it', I know I can beat him, you don't.

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Beats me, that’s why I asked. It stands to reason the promoters and networks would know and stage the fights where it makes the most money. It’s not just that these super fights seem to make slightly more at the gate in America, though. From everything I can find, a good few mayweather fights made roughly 6 or 7 times what that AJ fight did at the gate alone, having less than a quarter of the attendance. That tells you it isn’t a stretch to imagine that other fights would at least be in the same ballpark, comped or not. I’ve been in the nosebleeds for a UFC fight in Vegas, which was comped as it happens, and it was a completely pointless way to watch, didn’t take my eyes off the big screen for more than a few seconds at a time.

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Yes the super Vegas fights (Floyd/Manny/Oscar/Canelo etc) do astronomical numbers because the ticket prices are so high, however, I think people are confusing those huge figures with the norm.

I picked some recent Vegas fights at random as they're the only ones readily published - Wilder-Stiverne - 4,000 tickets, $755,200 gate. Broner-Porter - 8,000 tickets, 768,000 gate. Crawford-Horn - 5,236 tickets, $932,206 gate.

Joshua-Wlad, 90,000 tickets, $12m gate. Ticket prices - £40, £60, £80, £100, £150, £200, £400, £800 and £2,000.

Fury-Wilder, 17,000 tickets, ???? gate. Ticket prices - $129, $207, $310, $517, $1035, $1552.

So it was basically priced the same, right? How could they have possibly made anywhere near $12m? How many top price tickets were available/sold compared to a Wembley stadium fight?

@Ron Swanson - where can I find a figure for the Fury-Wilder gate?

PPV does not matter which country, just an awkward time.

Wilder needs this bout more than Tyson, therefore the fight will be in UK, or maybe Ireland.

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Originally Posted by sanatogen

Why wouldn't anywhere in Europe buy into Dury/AJ/Wilder fights?

Thread so far has been UK/US buy

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You want a fair fight? Right?

It's my thing: I like a WORLD CHAMP to take the fights AROUND THE WORLD.

Guys stay home too much, man. I just like to see WORLD TITLE FIGHTS!

I believe all judges should be from separate countries and if possible for unification bouts to be held in a foreign country to the fighter IF POSSIBLE. jmo....

Saw Floyd get away with MURDER in Vegas. Just how I see shit now. Plus, what made Foreman/Ali/Frazier so big was that they fought around the world.