Will Deontay Wilder be brave enough to rematch Tyson Fury in the UK?

[Ron Swanson]

How many UK PPV buys needed to match the US dollars?

320,000 US buys at $75 = 24000000

A Million UK buys at $25 = 25000000

(just a rough estimate)

By those numbers it's clear they could double the PPV price in the UK for either against Joshua and it would beat a million. And any fight between the three packs a football stadium.

320 is the first PPV, go look at the numbers for Joshua’s first PPV, Maywrathers, GGGs, literally anyone. Fighters numbers rise. Pretending not to realize that is disingenuous.

I really don’t understand if people pretend not to understand or genuinely don’t understand the numbers. This is not complicated. And it is clear as day

You are presenting an argument that makes horrible business sense, what does it serve to do so?

[Ron Swanson]

Let me put it very simply.

Deontay/AJ in US=US and UK PPV
Deontay/Fury in US=US and UK PPV
Deontay/AJ in UK=UK PPV
Deontay/Fury in UK=UK PPV

The US fans simply aren’t as devoted, they won’t buy an afternoon fight there is empirical evidence.

AJ/Fury=UK PPV

It’s not fair or right but it is how it is. To maximize you want both markets. And Fury and Wilder both just became bigger stars. Not AJ in UK big but bigger. A Wilder/Fury rematch does 600k in US easy, probably more like a million. That’s just in the US. An AJ/Wilder fight after that does 1 million in the US easy

You don’t sacrifice 30 million in PPV to get 5 million at the gate.(example looking at gates of AJs last stadium fight vs Wilder/Fury)

[Fenster]

How many UK PPV buys needed to match the US dollars?

320,000 US buys at $75 = 24000000

A Million UK buys at $25 = 25000000

(just a rough estimate)

By those numbers it's clear they could double the PPV price in the UK for either against Joshua and it would beat a million. And any fight between the three packs a football stadium.

320 is the first PPV, go look at the numbers for Joshua’s first PPV, Maywrathers, GGGs, literally anyone. Fighters numbers rise. Pretending not to realize that is disingenuous.

I really don’t understand if people pretend not to understand or genuinely don’t understand the numbers. This is not complicated. And it is clear as day

You are presenting an argument that makes horrible business sense, what does it serve to do so?

I didn't present an argument I asked a question followed by a guesstimate. The purpose was to waffle about about boxing with my Saddo boxing friends.

My only point being - the disparity of price between UK-USA PPV is virtually offset by the amount of buys by comparison. I fully agree with your follow point that two PPVs are more lucrative than one.

However, Fury-AJ would easily smash 2 million PPV buys in Britain with a price increase.

As for your point about it being Wilder's first PPV, it's not a very strong argument comparing with fighters of the past, Wilder has only one other dance partner (Joshua) who can create the buzz/interest for this amount of sales. Arguably Fury sold the fight.

Look at the history of PPVs, it takes two to tango. Wilder is never going to be a phenom like Joshua or Canelo who can sell 500,000 PPV against British title level guys. Wilder is never going to be an American PPV star, he needs the right dance partner.

[p4pking]

What’s the record for ppv buys in the uk? I can’t find anything about it. Also, people talk about stadiums selling out etc, but the gate still seems to be far less than in America, as the vast majority of sales are for nosebleed seats which go cheap, as they should, being a shitty way to watch a fight. I’d be happy to be wrong, but on a couple of quick searches they don’t compare. AJ-Klitschko apparently did somewhere around 12 million US for the live gate, 8 or 9 million pounds, whatever it was. That’s less than Calzaghe-Hopkins did in America, for instance.

[Fenster]

Apparently Joshua-Wlad is the record at 1.5 million. Joshua's last few PPVs have all beat a million. Floyd-Manny and Floyd-Hatton were the records before with over million. Haye did over a million a couple of times too.

I don't buy these Wembley gates are less than US ones (barring super fights in Vegas - Floyd/Manny/Oscar). It's well known all American fights are comped, even the big Vegas ones, when they don't sell out.

How did Fury-Wilder go from 7000 to 17,000 with a couple of weeks to go? I even heard a tout on a podcast advising people to wait until the day of the fight to get the tickets for dirt cheap.

I know for certain the TV money in the States is much bigger than the UK.

(happy to read someone give actual figures and a breakdown)

[p4pking]

Beats me, that’s why I asked. It stands to reason the promoters and networks would know and stage the fights where it makes the most money. It’s not just that these super fights seem to make slightly more at the gate in America, though. From everything I can find, a good few mayweather fights made roughly 6 or 7 times what that AJ fight did at the gate alone, having less than a quarter of the attendance. That tells you it isn’t a stretch to imagine that other fights would at least be in the same ballpark, comped or not. I’ve been in the nosebleeds for a UFC fight in Vegas, which was comped as it happens, and it was a completely pointless way to watch, didn’t take my eyes off the big screen for more than a few seconds at a time.

[Fenster]

Beats me, that’s why I asked. It stands to reason the promoters and networks would know and stage the fights where it makes the most money. It’s not just that these super fights seem to make slightly more at the gate in America, though. From everything I can find, a good few mayweather fights made roughly 6 or 7 times what that AJ fight did at the gate alone, having less than a quarter of the attendance. That tells you it isn’t a stretch to imagine that other fights would at least be in the same ballpark, comped or not. I’ve been in the nosebleeds for a UFC fight in Vegas, which was comped as it happens, and it was a completely pointless way to watch, didn’t take my eyes off the big screen for more than a few seconds at a time.

Yes the super Vegas fights (Floyd/Manny/Oscar/Canelo etc) do astronomical numbers because the ticket prices are so high, however, I think people are confusing those huge figures with the norm.

I picked some recent Vegas fights at random as they're the only ones readily published - Wilder-Stiverne - 4,000 tickets, $755,200 gate. Broner-Porter - 8,000 tickets, 768,000 gate. Crawford-Horn - 5,236 tickets, $932,206 gate.

Joshua-Wlad, 90,000 tickets, $12m gate. Ticket prices - £40, £60, £80, £100, £150, £200, £400, £800 and £2,000.

Fury-Wilder, 17,000 tickets, ? gate. Ticket prices - $129, $207, $310, $517, $1035, $1552.

So it was basically priced the same, right? How could they have possibly made anywhere near $12m? How many top price tickets were available/sold compared to a Wembley stadium fight?

@Ron Swanson - where can I find a figure for the Fury-Wilder gate?