Is Andy Ruiz's career over? (Physically AND mentally)

Physically, inside sources are saying that he has already ballooned over 310 lb and that he came into the ring at close to 295 lb
Training for 12 weeks and weighing in at 283.7 lb makes one Wonder what he weighed before he started training!

Mentally, it must not be very good for one's self esteem to realize you have just lost four championship belts that you swore to God you would never let go of over your dead body, all due to suddenly waking up in silk pajamas and not wanting to run 3 miles a day. If you could not get motivated to prove that the first fight was not a fluke then how can you get motivated after this fiasco?

I suspect that this was the end of "lash in the pan" Andy Ruiz Jr.

In addition to all of that you have to ask yourself what promoter will actually bother with this guy anymore? If that is all the respect that he can show himself and the fans and the promoters and the sport of boxing itself then why should anybody ever bother again to promote one of his fights? If he thought it was okay to come into the ring close to 295 pounds TO TRY TO RETAIN HIS TITLES, then will he think it is okay to come into the ring at 325 lb FOR AN ORDINARY NON-TITLE FIGHT???

You really do have to wonder about that question.

Stick a fork in it Andy (I'm sure you literally already have!). 🍔🌮🍕🍟🍰🍗🥩🥞🥪

Ruiz had his moment of fame but blew it when he became champ just like Leon Spinks and Buster Douglas did. Yes he made a lot of money but he really let himself down. He will try and get back into the heavyweight picture but will never become champion again. He will regret that for the rest of his life.

Yes very well said Master. I don't think the full impact of how he cheated himself more than he cheated anyone else has hit him yet. When it does hit him I wonder if he can handle that psychologically. Even in the very last round I was telling myself HE MUST KNOW HE LOST EVERY ROUND PRETTY MUCH. So why the hell doesn't he just risk being knocked out in the 12th round and just let his hands go and tried to throw 80 punches or so? Better to go out on your shield, and lose your belts well fighting with valor and desperation, than to lose your belts LUMBERING FORWARD AT 2 MILES PER HOUR AND THROWING, WHAT, DID HE EVEN THROW 20 PUNCHES PER ROUND?

Yes and no

Yes: He's never going to win a meaningful title ever again ever. Why? Because people now know (though they should have known before) what he does and AJ has put out the blueprint to basically treat him like David Tua.

No: He's still a relatively young fighter, he's got power, he's a good boxer for his height and weight, and he's a very good FIGHTER and those things mean he beats most competition who don't have true boxing skills. But it also means he gets paid more than a few more times, maybe one more giant one vs AJ and a few more after that as an acid test for the division.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

Yes very well said Master. I don't think the full impact of how he cheated himself more than he cheated anyone else has hit him yet. When it does hit him I wonder if he can handle that psychologically. Even in the very last round I was telling myself HE MUST KNOW HE LOST EVERY ROUND PRETTY MUCH. So why the hell doesn't he just risk being knocked out in the 12th round and just let his hands go and tried to throw 80 punches or so? Better to go out on your shield, and lose your belts well fighting with valor and desperation, than to lose your belts LUMBERING FORWARD AT 2 MILES PER HOUR AND THROWING, WHAT, DID HE EVEN THROW 20 PUNCHES PER ROUND?

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Ruuz couldn't close the gap to let his hands go. He was that heavy. Just a frustrated beached whale getting frustrated saying 'Come here and let me hit you'. He is one of those lottery winners that spends it all on helicopters and then ends up back as a cleaner within a year. There are levels in life and Ruiz kind of proves that life is about hierarchies and that the truly successful are those who put the genuine work in.

Higgins was a great snooker player, but Steve Davis will always have the greater record. You can apply it to so many things and that is why in many cases people are more successful than others. Skill, hard work and a little dash of luck. Minus those things and you go nowhere.

So true Gandalf. But do you know what prefigures hard work and dedication and discipline? A person's mental health which they have developed from their childhood. If the state of their mental health is such that they just cannot get it together cognitively or emotionally, THEN THERE WILL NOT BE A DAMN BIT OF HARD WORK OR DISCIPLINE OR DEDICATION -- at least not enough to make much of a difference.

I wonder if he will go the way of Buster Douglas/Lamon Brewster/Jesse Furguson or Ray Mercer/Riddick Bowe/Roberto Duran. Douglas/Brewster/Furguson won their big fights, ate themselves out of shape losing rematches, and never ascended to that level again. Mercer/Bowe/Duran made a career out of fluctuating between coming to fight in great shape and being grossly out of shape and mailing in their training. Now that I think about it, James Toney fits into that camp as well.

What will hurt Ruiz is that now he will be avoided and worse- fans won’t be behind him anymore. If he comes back on great shape and loses a good fight, he can recover with the fans (if he even loses anything). The way he came in, he has zero sympathy.

Only for some, there are many people who overcame appalling childhoods. Charles Dickens springs readily to mind as does Oprah Winfrey. I am sure their scars bothered them, but it didn't hold them back.

Even mental illness is something that can be overcome. BPD is the mother of mental traumas and 75% of patients make big improvements in a year. All success is about discipline and hardwork and that includes overcoming childhood adversity.

Did Ruiz have a bad childhood or something? An inability to control weight is usually a sign of something deeper and to do it now? It suggests he has skill, some luck, but the hard work isn't quite enough.

Ruiz will get another high level fight or 2. Will he win and be committed is another question. I think there are some fun fights he can be involved in. But it really does depend on his desire. Just following his opponent around and not letting his hands go (as he did with Parker) will generate the same results. I would like to see him against Kownacki, but there arre manny fights he can be competitive in, if he can focus and get down to business.

I think a change of team is needed too. It was okay with Calzaghe as Enzo was tough, but it seems Ruiz had it all his own way. I would go with Roach who knows what to do with aggressive fightere. Get the weight down and get those legs moving. The handspeed is great but you need a target cornered first.

another big cheque in ruiz's bank account isn't going to make it any easy for him to train properly. once he blows through his money he'll be back, in whatever shape is possible for a top up

Guarantee you see Andy Ruiz at 400 pounds by this time next year already retired with an Andy Ruiz Mexican buffet restaurant chain in the Los Angeles area. Who knows even the Andy Ruiz mean lean fat grilling machine

and Gandalf it's nice to be positive and optimistic but neuroscientist have for decades proven that any damage mentally or emotionally or spiritually which is done before the age of five is pretty much irreversible. I don't know about that 75% statistic you threw out there but I highly doubt it. People are like boxers some people get knocked out by a one shot to the jaw and then you have these ironjaw people like Mike Tyson or Muhammad Ali who you just cannot knock out. it's apples and oranges my friend. Some people fold and buccal artery motional abuse and neglect while other people can like you said make a recovery with hard work. It depends on the individual it is a case-by-case basis but it is a given scientific fact that until about the age of 4 and 1/2 or 5 years old that over 90% of the neural connections at the synaptic level have already been concretized. Due to experiences of trauma

Scientific facts. I'm not saying to not give it a try of course everyone should give it a try good but we cannot just say that so and so did not try hard enough because we do not know his psychiatric inner workings and he may or she may not even know herself or himself.

He can come again but it's up to him.

He's a good fighter with very fast hands and a hell of a chin. Get in shape and he can have 3 or 4 big pay days. I think the wilder or fury winner may want him too.

And win a couple and look good and lose 30 lbs (from Saturdays weight) then Joshua can't ignore the rubber match.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

Guarantee you see Andy Ruiz at 400 pounds by this time next year already retired with an Andy Ruiz Mexican buffet restaurant chain in the Los Angeles area. Who knows even the Andy Ruiz mean lean fat grilling machine

and Gandalf it's nice to be positive and optimistic but neuroscientist have for decades proven that any damage mentally or emotionally or spiritually which is done before the age of five is pretty much irreversible. I don't know about that 75% statistic you threw out there but I highly doubt it. People are like boxers some people get knocked out by a one shot to the jaw and then you have these ironjaw people like Mike Tyson or Muhammad Ali who you just cannot knock out. it's apples and oranges my friend. Some people fold and buccal artery motional abuse and neglect while other people can like you said make a recovery with hard work. It depends on the individual it is a case-by-case basis but it is a given scientific fact that until about the age of 4 and 1/2 or 5 years old that over 90% of the neural connections at the synaptic level have already been concretized. Due to experiences of trauma

Scientific facts. I'm not saying to not give it a try of course everyone should give it a try good but we cannot just say that so and so did not try hard enough because we do not know his psychiatric inner workings and he may or she may not even know herself or himself.

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And where did this fact come from? I was paraphrasing from Jerold Kreisman an expert in the field who has researched extensively. Trauma is something that can be worked on and in two years more than 90% of cases show significant improvement with many apparently able to live relatively normal lives. It is about giving people the tools to cope. The brain will produce different levels of chemicals from a relatively young age, but strategies and tools can alleviate that and the brain can improve for most. It is often about hard work and desire to improve and overcome. There was a poster called Brock who claimed to have OCD, but it is a treatable condition and with effort never need be a factor.

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

He can come again but it's up to him.

He's a good fighter with very fast hands and a hell of a chin. Get in shape and he can have 3 or 4 big pay days. I think the wilder or fury winner may want him too.

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I think so too. He has got gifts with the hand speed and chin, so if he would work on his weight, get those feet moving and have a trainer willing to drill it into him about food and exercise, then he can turn it around. That's where I think he could even use a psychologist as there is something going on there if you gain so much weight having just won the title. A nutritionist, a good coach, really take it seriously for a few years as boxing is a very short career.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

Yes very well said Master. I don't think the full impact of how he cheated himself more than he cheated anyone else has hit him yet. When it does hit him I wonder if he can handle that psychologically. Even in the very last round I was telling myself HE MUST KNOW HE LOST EVERY ROUND PRETTY MUCH. So why the hell doesn't he just risk being knocked out in the 12th round and just let his hands go and tried to throw 80 punches or so? Better to go out on your shield, and lose your belts well fighting with valor and desperation, than to lose your belts LUMBERING FORWARD AT 2 MILES PER HOUR AND THROWING, WHAT, DID HE EVEN THROW 20 PUNCHES PER ROUND?

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Ruuz couldn't close the gap to let his hands go. He was that heavy. Just a frustrated beached whale getting frustrated saying 'Come here and let me hit you'. He is one of those lottery winners that spends it all on helicopters and then ends up back as a cleaner within a year. There are levels in life and Ruiz kind of proves that life is about hierarchies and that the truly successful are those who put the genuine work in.

Higgins was a great snooker player, but Steve Davis will always have the greater record. You can apply it to so many things and that is why in many cases people are more successful than others. Skill, hard work and a little dash of luck. Minus those things and you go nowhere.

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Ha!

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

Physically, inside sources are saying that he has already ballooned over 310 lb and that he came into the ring at close to 295 lb
Training for 12 weeks and weighing in at 283.7 lb makes one Wonder what he weighed before he started training!

Mentally, it must not be very good for one's self esteem to realize you have just lost four championship belts that you swore to God you would never let go of over your dead body, all due to suddenly waking up in silk pajamas and not wanting to run 3 miles a day. If you could not get motivated to prove that the first fight was not a fluke then how can you get motivated after this fiasco?

I suspect that this was the end of "lash in the pan" Andy Ruiz Jr.

In addition to all of that you have to ask yourself what promoter will actually bother with this guy anymore? If that is all the respect that he can show himself and the fans and the promoters and the sport of boxing itself then why should anybody ever bother again to promote one of his fights? If he thought it was okay to come into the ring close to 295 pounds TO TRY TO RETAIN HIS TITLES, then will he think it is okay to come into the ring at 325 lb FOR AN ORDINARY NON-TITLE FIGHT???

You really do have to wonder about that question.

Stick a fork in it Andy (I'm sure you literally already have!). ����������������� ������������������ ������������������ ����

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5 minutes ago you were telling us all how Joshua's Career was over.







Maybe stick a fucking sock in it mate ;D

Gandalf I really do not think your research has been thorough enough on the subject ....you really do like to simplify things when they are a lot more complicated than you make them out to be. Your wishful thinking seems to Trump scientific evidence almost every single time. You latch onto one author who validates your particular preference and then you claim it to be scientific evidence for the whole world. Very few people can recover from severe trauma so that they can live the life they would have lived had they not experienced that trauma. You love to speak in vague terms like recovery but what does recovery actually mean? You are so vague that most of the time it is very hard to dispute anything with you on a point-by-point basis

Now back to Ruiz. @Mark TKO you got that right about the rubber match but if he doesn't lose the weight it will turn out to be a BLUBBER MATCH.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

Physically, inside sources are saying that he has already ballooned over 310 lb and that he came into the ring at close to 295 lb
Training for 12 weeks and weighing in at 283.7 lb makes one Wonder what he weighed before he started training!

Mentally, it must not be very good for one's self esteem to realize you have just lost four championship belts that you swore to God you would never let go of over your dead body, all due to suddenly waking up in silk pajamas and not wanting to run 3 miles a day. If you could not get motivated to prove that the first fight was not a fluke then how can you get motivated after this fiasco?

I suspect that this was the end of "lash in the pan" Andy Ruiz Jr.

In addition to all of that you have to ask yourself what promoter will actually bother with this guy anymore? If that is all the respect that he can show himself and the fans and the promoters and the sport of boxing itself then why should anybody ever bother again to promote one of his fights? If he thought it was okay to come into the ring close to 295 pounds TO TRY TO RETAIN HIS TITLES, then will he think it is okay to come into the ring at 325 lb FOR AN ORDINARY NON-TITLE FIGHT???

You really do have to wonder about that question.

Stick a fork in it Andy (I'm sure you literally already have!). ����������������� ������������������ ������������������ ����

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5 minutes ago you were telling us all how Joshua's Career was over.


Beanz I'm not the one @'ing you, am I? I said AJ was mediocre, but I never said his career was over. I believe he will fight for a couple of more years and wait until Wilder is a little bit older before fighting him.




Maybe stick a fucking sock in it mate ;D

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Beanz I'm not the one @'ing you, am I? I said AJ was mediocre, but I never said his career was over. I believe he will fight for a couple of more years and wait until Wilder is a little bit older before fighting him.

Okay I will stick a sock in it and take your advice. I thought this was a pretty civil thread and pretty interesting too, several people have given their reflections on the title of the thread and I thought it was a pretty good thread moving along so I don't know why now you have to be mean to me.

I am going to go back to the topic okay?

I think Andy Ruiz his career might be over.

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Yes very well said Master. I don't think the full impact of how he cheated himself more than he cheated anyone else has hit him yet. When it does hit him I wonder if he can handle that psychologically. Even in the very last round I was telling myself HE MUST KNOW HE LOST EVERY ROUND PRETTY MUCH. So why the hell doesn't he just risk being knocked out in the 12th round and just let his hands go and tried to throw 80 punches or so? Better to go out on your shield, and lose your belts well fighting with valor and desperation, than to lose your belts LUMBERING FORWARD AT 2 MILES PER HOUR AND THROWING, WHAT, DID HE EVEN THROW 20 PUNCHES PER ROUND?

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Ruuz couldn't close the gap to let his hands go. He was that heavy. Just a frustrated beached whale getting frustrated saying 'Come here and let me hit you'. He is one of those lottery winners that spends it all on helicopters and then ends up back as a cleaner within a year. There are levels in life and Ruiz kind of proves that life is about hierarchies and that the truly successful are those who put the genuine work in.

Higgins was a great snooker player, but Steve Davis will always have the greater record. You can apply it to so many things and that is why in many cases people are more successful than others. Skill, hard work and a little dash of luck. Minus those things and you go nowhere.

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Is it not true that if you put the work in you tend to do better? Prime Tyson was better partly because he did work hard. His room was messy, but he worked hard. When he did not and still had a messy room it became a problem. Tyson was at the top because he was ths best. His room seems cleaner these days and he is the happier for it. All makes sense. If you eat donuts everyday you will be a fat mess and there is no way around that. You have to work at everything.

Talent + effort + mental/physical fortitude = Great potential.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

Gandalf I really do not think your research has been thorough enough on the subject ....you really do like to simplify things when they are a lot more complicated than you make them out to be. Your wishful thinking seems to Trump scientific evidence almost every single time. You latch onto one author who validates your particular preference and then you claim it to be scientific evidence for the whole world. Very few people can recover from severe trauma so that they can live the life they would have lived had they not experienced that trauma. You love to speak in vague terms like recovery but what does recovery actually mean? You are so vague that most of the time it is very hard to dispute anything with you on a point-by-point basis

Now back to Ruiz. @Mark TKO you got that right about the rubber match but if he doesn't lose the weight it will turn out to be a BLUBBER MATCH.

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Things are indeed complicated, but at the same time you, who have no psychiatric qualifications are making blanket statements like 'Very few people can recover from severe trauma' and the fact is that they can, according to those who do have a history of research. If you would like to provide a source to what you are saying then cite one. The majority of those who seek help for OCD for instance either recover or at least find tools to minimize its impact on their lives and that can easily be backed up. Now those that do not seek to remedy the problem are another case entirely. But in terms of say BPD two thirds or more improve within a year and 90% almost totally adapt to live relatively ordinary lives within 2 years. Now that is a disorder that most typically develops because of childhood trauma. Of course every case is different as every experience is different.

There is nothing vague in the data collated by accredited clinicians. The only thing missing is the individual story, but we are often talking about things like child sex abuse, violence, abandonment and these kinds of things if we are talking about genuine childhood trauma.

You poo poo my statement as "blanket", and champion your statement as valid. Interesting how you assume that in a knee jerk. Only your sources are valid. Got it. You are a very young man, who flits from one new discovery or fad to another, every year or 2, and then wants to act the authority on various topics in the presence of people 15 or 20 years older than you, to whom none of what you are telling us is anything new. And you are oh so sure of yourself! You think it all just makes such good sense! It must be so! Seems so simple. Everyone can just do it, or they're just lazy or cop outs! It's surely that simple. And guaranteed!

"Those who talk, do not know;

Those who know, do not talk."

--Lao Tzu

Again, back to the topic.

(Sigh.....)

So yeah, Big Andy has got a deep underlying pathology manifesting in abusive over eating. From childhood, of course, because where else would it come from?

Poor Andy may be done. He just made another $15 million, so his pajamas will be EVEN MORE SILKY NOW! And 15 million buys a HELLA lotta buffets.

Andy, if you're listening, start running 3 miles a day big boy.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

You poo poo my statement as "blanket", and champion your statement as valid. Interesting how you assume that in a knee jerk. Only your sources are valid. Got it. You are a very young man, who flits from one new discovery or fad to another, every year or 2, and then wants to act the authority on various topics in the presence of people 15 or 20 years older than you, to whom none of what you are telling us is anything new. And you are oh so sure of yourself! You think it all just makes such good sense! It must be so! Seems so simple. Everyone can just do it, or they're just lazy or cop outs! It's surely that simple. And guaranteed!

"Those who talk, do not know;

Those who know, do not talk."

--Lao Tzu

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But you have provided no sources and now you are getting personal. Do you even have a degree in psychology? You are an accountant, a baker, a teacher, so surely a psychologist as well. You also claim to live in countries you do not, live in towns you do not, etc. So I can see you are trying to get to grips with something or other.

You made a blanket statement and questioned it. I have not claimed to be an expert, but I have cited an expert who has said exactly that. That one of the most difficult issues in mental health is something that can be helped in the vast majority of cases. Now have I been involved in those cases? No, of course not.

The idea that because I am not as old as you means I cannot know as much on certain topics is childish. There are things we can all learn from people younger or older than ourselves. Lao Tzu is someone you could listen to then as post an awful lot. I don't think you will get very far not talking though. I guess Jordan Peterson will have to just make eye contact and not move his lips. :)

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another big cheque in ruiz's bank account isn't going to make it any easy for him to train properly. once he blows through his money he'll be back, in whatever shape is possible for a top up

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Read my mind exactly. His last check may sink him for life.

You got personal first. And what sources did you provide? You're nuts. This was a good thread, too, until you got preachy and pontificating.

"With effort, OCD never need be a factor."
And needn't be poverty or homelessness or any other I'll according to you.
Dude, you are the KING of blanket statements. Have you any idea how many kinds of OCD there are? Your oversimplified views are obnoxiously sophomoric. Nobody should be poor and nobody should be homeless and nobody's pathologies should be a factor, how utterly arrogant.

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Originally Posted by Master

Ruiz had his moment of fame but blew it when he became champ just like Leon Spinks and Buster Douglas did. Yes he made a lot of money but he really let himself down. He will try and get back into the heavyweight picture but will never become champion again. He will regret that for the rest of his life.

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Yes he blew it. And it'll be a lifetime regret. Even worse than Leon's, I feel.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

You got personal first. And what sources did you provide? You're nuts. This was a good thread, too, until you got preachy and pontificating.

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Erm go back and read and I referenced a trained Professional who has researched and written on the topic of mental health. I am nuts? Yeah, says the man that pretends he is in different countries, lies about his profession, and if he is who people say he is loves sordid poetry involving kids and has a fetish for teachers who sleep with students, but yeah, I am nuts. You need to work on the OCD. ;D

Out of the tens of thousands of trained professionals only the one you quoted is the valid one. Got it.

That's why you're nuts.

You are a nutter, but it is lovely. Bless.

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You got personal first. And what sources did you provide? You're nuts. This was a good thread, too, until you got preachy and pontificating.

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Erm go back and read and I referenced a trained Professional who has researched and written on the topic of mental health. I am nuts? Yeah, says the man that pretends he is in different countries, lies about his profession, and if he is who people say he is loves sordid poetry involving kids and has a fetish for teachers who sleep with students, but yeah, I am nuts. You need to work on the OCD. ;D

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Huh? How mature. Stop derailing this excellent Andy Ruiz thread.

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Originally Posted by mikeeod

I wonder if he will go the way of Buster Douglas/Lamon Brewster/Jesse Furguson or Ray Mercer/Riddick Bowe/Roberto Duran. Douglas/Brewster/Furguson won their big fights, ate themselves out of shape losing rematches, and never ascended to that level again. Mercer/Bowe/Duran made a career out of fluctuating between coming to fight in great shape and being grossly out of shape and mailing in their training. Now that I think about it, James Toney fits into that camp as well.

What will hurt Ruiz is that now he will be avoided and worse- fans won’t be behind him anymore. If he comes back on great shape and loses a good fight, he can recover with the fans (if he even loses anything). The way he came in, he has zero sympathy.

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Zero sympathy, and zero credibility. Eddie Mustafa Muhammad did something similar I believe.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

So true Gandalf. But do you know what prefigures hard work and dedication and discipline? A person's mental health which they have developed from their childhood. If the state of their mental health is such that they just cannot get it together cognitively or emotionally, THEN THERE WILL NOT BE A DAMN BIT OF HARD WORK OR DISCIPLINE OR DEDICATION -- at least not enough to make much of a difference.

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See, you brought all this childhood trauma stuff up in a thread about Andy Ruiz. ;)

I happened to agree with you that it might be a factor, but just disagreed that a bad childhood means you must ruin a career. In some cases yes, in other cases not so much.

You guys need to stop writing fighters off after losses.

Buster has ballooned in weight throughout his career, he only has to lose 15lb of blubber to be Joshua 1 weight. I can sell his comeback let alone the brains he has behind him (Al Haymon).

Buster-vs-Wilder is a great stylistic matchup. Exciting fight. Ruiz showed a near granite chin against Joshua, and he sure as shit is the superior natural boxer to Wilder. Wilder can't dance, he can't adapt, so can he land his sniper righthand before Ruiz punches holes in him up close? Great fight?

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So true Gandalf. But do you know what prefigures hard work and dedication and discipline? A person's mental health which they have developed from their childhood. If the state of their mental health is such that they just cannot get it together cognitively or emotionally, THEN THERE WILL NOT BE A DAMN BIT OF HARD WORK OR DISCIPLINE OR DEDICATION -- at least not enough to make much of a difference.

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See, you brought all this childhood trauma stuff up in a thread about Andy Ruiz. ;)

I happened to agree with you that it might be a factor, but just disagreed that a bad childhood means you must ruin a career. In some cases yes, in other cases not so much.

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Read it again, it doesn’t say that a bad childhood means you must ruin a career.

But the whole thread is interesting. People’s opinions change so much from fight to fight. Andy is who he was a month ago. A month ago he was who he was in May. He can buckle down and get right back top 10 or he can eat his way to early retirement, we’ll see.

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So true Gandalf. But do you know what prefigures hard work and dedication and discipline? A person's mental health which they have developed from their childhood. If the state of their mental health is such that they just cannot get it together cognitively or emotionally, THEN THERE WILL NOT BE A DAMN BIT OF HARD WORK OR DISCIPLINE OR DEDICATION -- at least not enough to make much of a difference.

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See, you brought all this childhood trauma stuff up in a thread about Andy Ruiz. ;)

I happened to agree with you that it might be a factor, but just disagreed that a bad childhood means you must ruin a career. In some cases yes, in other cases not so much.

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Read it again, it doesn’t say that a bad childhood means you must ruin a career.

But the whole thread is interesting. People’s opinions change so much from fight to fight. Andy is who he was a month ago. A month ago he was who he was in May. He can buckle down and get right back top 10 or he can eat his way to early retirement, we’ll see.

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@Ron Swanson thank you man. You are right it doesn't say that at all. This guy likes to put words in people's mouths. Thinks he has all the answers. At 38 years old FFS.

and thanks for saying it's an interesting thread. I thought so too 😁. I'm hoping that Andy makes a big effort.

Imagine if Andy could come into the ring at 250 lb. I think he might be unstoppable. Definitely an iron chin even at 295 lbs hahaha and the once or twice that he hit Joshua in the rematch you could see that Joshua was really shaking up for a moment

He'll be back because the heavyweight division is thin as far as challengers go. Also if he blew threw his money that fast, it shouldn't take him long to run out completely and he'll be back for more. He'll be the next stiverne, sam peter or something... champ turned on the bubble guy. I dont understand who guys like this get handed this kind of upturn in life and not see it as a sign to get their Sh*t together. 5 seconds later.... "will this Rolls fit through a drive thru? cuz if not... i'm not buying it..." :vd: