How do you properly pronouce Carl Froch's last name, is it Frotch as in crotch, or is it Frock as in cock?
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How do you properly pronouce Carl Froch's last name, is it Frotch as in crotch, or is it Frock as in cock?
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Frock as in "what a fucking cock"Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
It is though also properly pronounced as nob head
and here is another reason why
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/7...sapp-messages/
lolol.... ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzFrock as in "what a fucking cock"Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
It is though also properly pronounced as nob head
and here is another reason why
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/7...sapp-messages/
How did that p4p British list clamor not make it's own thread on this forum of all places ;D ? Considering 30 years span I'll do him one better, no way in hades I'd rank David Haye over Nigel Benn ffs. Froch talks a lot but he was also very exciting in their with a helluva beard.
This forum has always been more American-centric than British. Speaking of Froch, 90% of the forum had zero interest until he rocked up in America to get mullered by Taylor. Like every British fighter those days he was a "bum," "protected," "padded Euro record." And he has a point regarding that list, he beat/fought much stronger competition than most of that list.
Agreed. I like to mock Froch for his delusional Calzaghe views, but he was solid, beat champions and indeed never got knocked out by a relative unknown. Joshua has to prove a bit more really. Froch fell short at times, but has a lot of good wins.
In fairness I don't think his being British was actually the reason most thought he wouldnt prove to be world class. He had a style that just looked like it wouldnt work out, it didn't look pretty no matter who he fought and it was easy to think better fighters would handle him.
I'd go along with that. I was thinking right back when he fought Charles Adamu for the Commonwealth title that would be his limit. Stick him in with anything better and he's coming a cropper.
Froch had a serious case of delusions of grandeur when it came to boxing and the style he was going to adopt. Fancied himself as a bit Roy Jones, when in actual fact he was a hard bastard with a granite chin, decent dig and a serious set of bollocks. Those things took him far further than I expected him to go.
Froch also had a good right cross and a lethal right uppercut. He was very fit and strong so could punch it out with the most strongest fighters in the division. His fight with Pascal was pure action.
The super middleweight division was far better pound for pound than the current heavyweight division. Andre Ward was the best at the weight. Anyone second to him was not bad.
I was ringside for Froch v Magee which I covered for this very site, Froch banged him out cold for about 2 mins and kept his Commonwealth title.
Seeing Froch up that close that night you could tell he was going all the way and all at ringside agreed.
One hard motherfucker đ
Donât go interrupting quality little brother bellyaching with thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Froch was by no means great. He had a good punch and a lot of grit. I always say that he overachieved.
I think he was worthy of being the 2nd best super middleweight in his era. Kessler and Froch went at it for that position. Bute was destroyed. No one else was close. Froch earned what he achieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Maybe. Kessler beat him the first time around and then barely pulled off the rematch much after Kessler was at his best. He obviously wasnât better than Ward (no shame there).Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think he was worthy of being the 2nd best super middleweight in his era. Kessler and Froch went at it for that position. Bute was destroyed. No one else was close. Froch earned what he achieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
So overall, he was probably always about 2nd best which is good. He won some and he lost some. So overall, thatâs I believe he was good but not great. Not a HOF fighter to me.
Froch did have to contend with the volcano ash and issues caused by it for his 1st fight with Kessler but anyway he is right to say that he did enough to be rated higher than AJ at this point in their career.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherMaybe. Kessler beat him the first time around and then barely pulled off the rematch much after Kessler was at his best. He obviously wasnât better than Ward (no shame there).Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think he was worthy of being the 2nd best super middleweight in his era. Kessler and Froch went at it for that position. Bute was destroyed. No one else was close. Froch earned what he achieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
So overall, he was probably always about 2nd best which is good. He won some and he lost some. So overall, thatâs I believe he was good but not great. Not a HOF fighter to me.
Froch didn't overachieve to me, he was much better than I thought, I picked everyone to beat him from the leisure centre days (no live TV). We thought he was doing the worst Roy impression ever but in fact his hero was Naz. I kid you not. He was trying to do Naz. And as Memphis said, he eventually found his style (imagine he didn't have that iron head?).
My favourite Froch fight was the Aussie sheep farmer snapping his neck back all night for the Commonwealth title. And taking the piss out of the small number of Froch groupies who claimed Calzaghe was ducking him.
However, credit where it's due, his groupies were right, his run from Pascal to Groves is stronger than most HOF-ers.
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
Sorry, Iâve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didnât materialise, he duly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnyAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says âtoo big and tough for GGG!â
FACT
That was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSorry, Iâve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didnât materialise, he duly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnyAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says âtoo big and tough for GGG!â
FACT
For a few years early on I thought it was straight out of Manila ;D. Fighters have to start somewhere and strive for bigger recognition. I slagged on Calazaghe a hundreds time more than Froch though calling a fighter a bum before he gets a chance on a huge stage is always ignit. As we've seen the Global 'face' of the sport has massively expanded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Exactly. The good thing about modern American fans (ignoring weirdo LBDC/PBC race baiters) is they understand boxing is a global sport. The old American pundits/journos/fans were so nationalistic and frankly racist it was shocking. Many former great blokes on here believed if it wasn't in America it didn't count. Remember old CutMeMick telling me - "America is the Oscars of boxing, it doesn't matter unless it happens here." How quickly times change. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliFor a few years early on I thought it was straight out of Manila ;D. Fighters have to start somewhere and strive for bigger recognition. I slagged on Calazaghe a hundreds time more than Froch though calling a fighter a bum before he gets a chance on a huge stage is always ignit. As we've seen the Global 'face' of the sport has massively expanded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Cutmemick also told us if you didn't paint your nails and pretend to type gibberish to illustrate that you had a wine cooler with dinner it didn't count...He didn't know shit about boxing either.
Iâm actually glad that there are Brits around here because it helps me get to know fighters better. I wish that the US had more of a local following like other countries do.
Nah, bollocks mate. If youâre coming to the end of your career and want to make some big dosh, great! But you cannot wear that ânever ducked anyoneâ badge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSorry, Iâve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didnât materialise, he duly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnyAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says âtoo big and tough for GGG!â
FACT
And besides, after Groves 2, the money he wouldâve made fighting DeGale , GGG or Ward, would not be any less than he woulda got for fighting Chavez.
Itâs just that Chavez was the easier fight. So DO NOT give me any of that âfight anyoneâ bollocks.
This is true but everyone's 2nd favourite poster - behind Wacko - and prolific LA boxer stalker (before Elie Seckbach) held clout. He forced me to infiltrate media archives to produce evidence that Marquez had turned down several offers to face Naz. After I provided bombproof evidence he rebutted with something Larry Merchant said on HBO. Boxing fans have always been a different breed.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
To be fair most Brit fans are just as mental as Americans and Canadians, Aussies, Filipinos, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. And Irish. And Danes (Mikkel Kessler fans were tribal)Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
FrotchQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
The fact that he did not fight anyone after Groves demonstrates that he did not duck anyone as he did not fight again. If he did take on Chavez then you could say he ducked De Gale, Ward, GGG et al but he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNah, bollocks mate. If youâre coming to the end of your career and want to make some big dosh, great! But you cannot wear that ânever ducked anyoneâ badge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSorry, Iâve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didnât materialise, he duly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnyAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says âtoo big and tough for GGG!â
FACT
And besides, after Groves 2, the money he wouldâve made fighting DeGale , GGG or Ward, would not be any less than he woulda got for fighting Chavez.
Itâs just that Chavez was the easier fight. So DO NOT give me any of that âfight anyoneâ bollocks.
I have no problem with that, not many fighters in this business were fighting the best of the best till the retirement, like Bernard or Wlad, but Carl came close to that. I rather agree with Powerpuncher that he overachieved, I felt he was more than lucky to get the decision in the fight against Dirrell, he was outboxed in the most of the rounds by JT and he was on par with an old Glen Johnson. He was a tough motherfucker though, great chin, good stamina and I give him 10 out of ten for mental strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSorry, Iâve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didnât materialise, he duly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnyAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says âtoo big and tough for GGG!â
FACT
He was was also smart enough to not take on GGG or DeGale.
He didnât fight because they couldnât make the Chavez fight. They couldâve made the other fights but they never BECAUSE HE DIDNâT WANT THEM! How the fuck is that not a duck? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe fact that he did not fight anyone after Groves demonstrates that he did not duck anyone as he did not fight again. If he did take on Chavez then you could say he ducked De Gale, Ward, GGG et al but he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNah, bollocks mate. If youâre coming to the end of your career and want to make some big dosh, great! But you cannot wear that ânever ducked anyoneâ badge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSorry, Iâve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didnât materialise, he duly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnyAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says âtoo big and tough for GGG!â
FACT
And besides, after Groves 2, the money he wouldâve made fighting DeGale , GGG or Ward, would not be any less than he woulda got for fighting Chavez.
Itâs just that Chavez was the easier fight. So DO NOT give me any of that âfight anyoneâ bollocks.
If they could have made fights against Ward (over here), or GGG then they would have. You assume it was Froch fault and therefore he ducked them but you know it takes 2 to tango. Froch retired so give the man a break it was at the end of his career and he has shown he would have taken on anyone and everyone if he still wanted to carry on boxing but he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHe didnât fight because they couldnât make the Chavez fight. They couldâve made the other fights but they never BECAUSE HE DIDNâT WANT THEM! How the fuck is that not a duck? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe fact that he did not fight anyone after Groves demonstrates that he did not duck anyone as he did not fight again. If he did take on Chavez then you could say he ducked De Gale, Ward, GGG et al but he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNah, bollocks mate. If youâre coming to the end of your career and want to make some big dosh, great! But you cannot wear that ânever ducked anyoneâ badge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSorry, Iâve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didnât materialise, he duly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnyAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says âtoo big and tough for GGG!â
FACT
And besides, after Groves 2, the money he wouldâve made fighting DeGale , GGG or Ward, would not be any less than he woulda got for fighting Chavez.
Itâs just that Chavez was the easier fight. So DO NOT give me any of that âfight anyoneâ bollocks.
I always felt this forum was British centric, to be honest with you. But you are right, no one cared about Froch until he beat Taylor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
;D
But his fight with Jean Pascal is a CLASSIC shoot out. :cool:
Next question: What the fuck is a Froch? lolol... Like, I know what a "William-son" is and a "John-son" is but what the fuck is a Froch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Denilson3.0FrotchQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I donât know if youâre deluded, blinkered, brainwashed, or just flat out taking the piss. I have HEARD FROCH SAY FROM HIS OWN MOUTH, that he didnât want to fight all 3!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf they could have made fights against Ward (over here), or GGG then they would have. You assume it was Froch fault and therefore he ducked them but you know it takes 2 to tango. Froch retired so give the man a break it was at the end of his career and he has shown he would have taken on anyone and everyone if he still wanted to carry on boxing but he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHe didnât fight because they couldnât make the Chavez fight. They couldâve made the other fights but they never BECAUSE HE DIDNâT WANT THEM! How the fuck is that not a duck? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe fact that he did not fight anyone after Groves demonstrates that he did not duck anyone as he did not fight again. If he did take on Chavez then you could say he ducked De Gale, Ward, GGG et al but he did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNah, bollocks mate. If youâre coming to the end of your career and want to make some big dosh, great! But you cannot wear that ânever ducked anyoneâ badge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSorry, Iâve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didnât materialise, he duly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnyAbsolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says âtoo big and tough for GGG!â
FACT
And besides, after Groves 2, the money he wouldâve made fighting DeGale , GGG or Ward, would not be any less than he woulda got for fighting Chavez.
Itâs just that Chavez was the easier fight. So DO NOT give me any of that âfight anyoneâ bollocks.
DeGale - âhe didnât feel heâd earnt it.â HE WAS MANDATORY!
Ward - he âdidnât like his style of fightingâ ok Carl.:rolleyes: and you say if he couldâve got Ward over here, well:
a.) he probably couldâve. And
b.) He wanted Chavez in Vegas, but not Ward? Hmmmm.
c.) He felt GGG âwas too small.â Ok, well prove it and smash him up then! As for getting GGG over here, well he came for Kell Brook, so Iâm pretty certain he wouldâve come over for Froch.
Come on @Master, youâre making yourself look silly now.
I never was a Froch or Frotch or Frock fan Primo, not because he beat the Quebeckers but because of his big fucking mouth and his dirty style, but I give him credit for fighting everyone. Refusing to fight against Ward, GGG or DeGale before the retirement doesn't count as a duck for me even if he tried to make some easy money against Chavez Jr.
Ducking at 37 years old, like I said, before the retirement and ducking in your prime are two different things.
Amen. Case closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100
I respect your opinion , but if youâre a pro and if youâre a World Champion, I donât think you get a pass, regardless of age. Especially if you want to make the same massive money .Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100
A duck is a duck.
Not if he never fought anyone ever again. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI respect your opinion , but if youâre a pro and if youâre a World Champion, I donât think you get a pass, regardless of age. Especially if you want to make the same massive money .Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100
A duck is a duck.
Whatâs that got to do with anything?