June 1935 - Madison Square Garden NYC - "This fight is one of the great upsets in ring history."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqgsKli7MEc
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June 1935 - Madison Square Garden NYC - "This fight is one of the great upsets in ring history."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqgsKli7MEc
"His last great Knockout"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jVxmgHwatI
"Oldest Heavyweight Champ of All Time!" (in those days, anyway)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJSjeBvxmVk
https://youtu.be/o4lo9gY60iU
They're doing a great job bringing these fights to life! In Living Color! G-Damn Rock took a helluva left hook and got up like it was just a flash knockdown.
That 9th round Rocky-Ezzard was a brutal back n forth bombing. Damn their size, I think those shots would've dropped every HW today. So much leverage on their shots, turning it over. For men only.
Rocky Marciano took a battering for the ages against Walcott. That first round would've sparked anybody, but not The Rock.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
One of the scariest fights I have ever seen. YOu dont wanna get anywhere between these 2 dudes when they are swinging!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JAdbcF_MvY
If Williams Liston were on a dessert menu, it would be a gourmet treat! Totally shows how under rated Liston was as a polished fighter. I saw an interview of Liston who stated his fight with Williams is what gave him the confidence he could beat anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Liston: "Cleveland Williams was a good fighter, very strong, he had muscles everywhere. Muscles coming out his ass";D
I think he was the 1st boxer I ever heard curse (from old era)
Gr8 Thread!
***please GO TO 6:15 of this video*** thats where the HD newly refurbished film starts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7t1b05xTk
I fear Archie's cognitive abilities were the result of not just his career overall, but that final round, my goodness, Rock is unloading nonstop, throwing his weight behind every shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
And Archie was still trying to time him, he nailed Rocky with two really powerful straight right punches right on the button, but Marciano just acted like he didn't feel it
Archie Moore was a top trainer after he retired from boxing so Rocky did not cause that much damage.
100% true, Archie was very articulate and well-spoken and he was a man of letters. A very interesting guy who used to study all subjects under the sun and he even spent time in Australia with the Aborigines to learn special diets and special healing properties of plants and foods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I saw an interview with Archie Moore from the 1990s and he was still very articulate and well spoken and he did not slur his words or show any sign of damage at all
A real dogged, hard-fought, tough fight between Bob Satterfield (Marciano said he should have been Champ one day) and Rex Layne who had just knocked out a 34 year old Joe Walcott. Rex Layne at that time was 45-1 and the winner of this fight was to fight Marciano, who would then fight Charles for the Championship, but Walcott wound up shocking Charles a few months later to win the title.
SKIP TO 4;15 OF THIS VIDEO FOR THE FIGHT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EApd9tFq4Rs
Correct. I was watching a bit of an old Joe Louis talk while watching this and mixed up the two. Truth be told I can't say I remember how Archie Moore talked, only watched his fights not interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But that 9th round, I just watched it again, my lord Archie was in the frying pan with the heat turned up, grease poppin!
Marciano with both barrels blazing is a thing of awe to watch. He threw 770 punches in 8 rounds in that fight, then in 1 + minute of the 9th and final round he threw 46 punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeCorrect. I was watching a bit of an old Joe Louis talk while watching this and mixed up the two. Truth be told I can't say I remember how Archie Moore talked, only watched his fights not interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But that 9th round, I just watched it again, my lord Archie was in the frying pan with the heat turned up, grease poppin!
46 punches in 1 minute 19 seconds of the 9th round
Archie Moore said "Marciano just had way more stamina than anybody else in those days."
And he turns those shots over, full velocity. I wonder if he fought today would refs call him out for ducking below the waistline, he really got under a lot of punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellMarciano with both barrels blazing is a thing of awe to watch. He threw 770 punches in 8 rounds in that fight, then in 1 + minute of the 9th and final round he threw 46 punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeCorrect. I was watching a bit of an old Joe Louis talk while watching this and mixed up the two. Truth be told I can't say I remember how Archie Moore talked, only watched his fights not interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But that 9th round, I just watched it again, my lord Archie was in the frying pan with the heat turned up, grease poppin!
46 punches in 1 minute 19 seconds of the 9th round
Archie Moore said "Marciano just had way more stamina than anybody else in those days."
Plus some years ago I use to look at that looping overhand as a flailing haymaker. Now I see how he positioned himself. If a fighter is in the wrong place, that was a very accurate punch to the temple.
I sure hope they do more of his fights in color.
Shit, thats a great observation. He DID turn all those punches over, and also on those left uppercut/hook punches he throws ---just amazing power coming up from the floor. I think he WOULD get warned for ducking so low, definitely. But Im sure he could cut it back just enough to get the job done.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeAnd he turns those shots over, full velocity. I wonder if he fought today would refs call him out for ducking below the waistline, he really got under a lot of punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellMarciano with both barrels blazing is a thing of awe to watch. He threw 770 punches in 8 rounds in that fight, then in 1 + minute of the 9th and final round he threw 46 punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeCorrect. I was watching a bit of an old Joe Louis talk while watching this and mixed up the two. Truth be told I can't say I remember how Archie Moore talked, only watched his fights not interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But that 9th round, I just watched it again, my lord Archie was in the frying pan with the heat turned up, grease poppin!
46 punches in 1 minute 19 seconds of the 9th round
Archie Moore said "Marciano just had way more stamina than anybody else in those days."
Plus some years ago I use to look at that looping overhand as a flailing haymaker. Now I see how he positioned himself. If a fighter is in the wrong place, that was a very accurate punch to the temple.
I sure hope they do more of his fights in color.
Archie Moore said: "After the fight I asked Rocky how the hell he was landing all those rights on me. Nobody hits me with a right like that."
I've seen a few edits of Clay vs Jones, but this one really highlights his combinations, laser jab and a left hook that couldn't miss.
https://youtu.be/u5fjwrOhdGo
Weird fight, weird pre-fight occurrence, Marciano had the flu the week before, .... punches didnt have the same steam, fighting a heavier guy, a skilled guy....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbhZlDvmsBM
Ok, so "long ago" is pretty much 50's and before ;D
My own initial entry would be Duran-Leonard I. Not as old, but now just over 40 years ago. I'd say that classifies as "long ago." ;D
Now THAT..... is a timeless classic. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGZVkYuHM4
You know I have a bit of knowledge of the old legendary fighters, but have rarely actually watched old old fights or fight footage!
Should change that. Thanks everyone who posted videos here. I'm gonna work my way through them :cool:
Well, here's sumpin' a lil' closer to present-day , a real fucking barn-burner if you will, doesnt get much better than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxUx0bhGFHM&t=686s
I say to this day, Marvin ruined Mugabi. His punch resistance was never the same after this bout.
Definitely ruined Mugabe, but Hagler took a pounding and some have said HE was never quite the same after that either. Haglers face at the end was really fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellDefinitely ruined Mugabe, but Hagler took a pounding and some have said HE was never quite the same after that either. Haglers face at the end was really fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Well.... given that the only fight after Mugabi was Leonard, it's tough to make that assessment. And yet Hagler went in completely wrong against Leonard. Maybe he was still feeling the psychological effects from the Mugabi war and was a bit too tentative with Leonard. Tough one to call.
True. There was only one more fight after that. Definitely not enough time to assess any long-term effects from Mugabe. I wonder if it had anything to do with him retiring after the Leonard fight. His face was rather disfigured after the Mugabe fight. Never saw his face look like that before. And I just cannot understand the way he fought Leonard. You'd think after a bitter defeat like that that Hagler would want to go out on a winning note.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellDefinitely ruined Mugabe, but Hagler took a pounding and some have said HE was never quite the same after that either. Haglers face at the end was really fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Well.... given that the only fight after Mugabi was Leonard, it's tough to make that assessment. And yet Hagler went in completely wrong against Leonard. Maybe he was still feeling the psychological effects from the Mugabi war and was a bit too tentative with Leonard. Tough one to call.
So yeah, good point there. if he had fought a few more fights it would be more clear if the Mugabe fight had really affected him in a strong and negative way.
THX! I never knew the effects Marvin suffered. I'd have to accept that was the kind of fight where both fighters leave something in the ring they can never get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellDefinitely ruined Mugabe, but Hagler took a pounding and some have said HE was never quite the same after that either. Haglers face at the end was really fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I guess we can't really be sure as it was pointed out that he only fought one more time after that. Not enough time really to see how it affected him physically. Although his performance against Leonard is quite suspect but not sure if we can base it on that alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeTHX! I never knew the effects Marvin suffered. I'd have to accept that was the kind of fight where both fighters leave something in the ring they can never get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellDefinitely ruined Mugabe, but Hagler took a pounding and some have said HE was never quite the same after that either. Haglers face at the end was really fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I just can't get over Marvin hagler's face at the end of the fight. My God he is almost unrecognizable. If that fight had gone another five rounds I think his eyes would have swollen shut.
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellI guess we can't really be sure as it was pointed out that he only fought one more time after that. Not enough time really to see how it affected him physically. Although his performance against Leonard is quite suspect but not sure if we can base it on that alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeTHX! I never knew the effects Marvin suffered. I'd have to accept that was the kind of fight where both fighters leave something in the ring they can never get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellDefinitely ruined Mugabe, but Hagler took a pounding and some have said HE was never quite the same after that either. Haglers face at the end was really fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I just can't get over Marvin hagler's face at the end of the fight. My God he is almost unrecognizable. If that fight had gone another five rounds I think his eyes would have swollen shut.
Yeah, Hagler never was quite marked up like THAT. Who knows..... Like I said maybe you're right about the lingering effects, if only psychologically. Hagler's last three fights in order were: Hearns, Mugabi, Leonard. Something happened in there in that the Hagler that answered the bell for Leonard was totally different than the one that came out against Hearns. This (Leonard) is one of those "rematches-that-never-were" that I would've loved to see.
Hagler fought less frequently during the end of his reign due to injuries. He had a back injury, cut eye and broken nose which delayed his fight with Mugabi.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellI guess we can't really be sure as it was pointed out that he only fought one more time after that. Not enough time really to see how it affected him physically. Although his performance against Leonard is quite suspect but not sure if we can base it on that alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeTHX! I never knew the effects Marvin suffered. I'd have to accept that was the kind of fight where both fighters leave something in the ring they can never get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellDefinitely ruined Mugabe, but Hagler took a pounding and some have said HE was never quite the same after that either. Haglers face at the end was really fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I just can't get over Marvin hagler's face at the end of the fight. My God he is almost unrecognizable. If that fight had gone another five rounds I think his eyes would have swollen shut.
Yeah, Hagler never was quite marked up like THAT. Who knows..... Like I said maybe you're right about the lingering effects, if only psychologically. Hagler's last three fights in order were: Hearns, Mugabi, Leonard. Something happened in there in that the Hagler that answered the bell for Leonard was totally different than the one that came out against Hearns. This (Leonard) is one of those "rematches-that-never-were" that I would've loved to see.
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Originally Posted by MasterHagler fought less frequently during the end of his reign due to injuries. He had a back injury, cut eye and broken nose which delayed his fight with Mugabi.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellI guess we can't really be sure as it was pointed out that he only fought one more time after that. Not enough time really to see how it affected him physically. Although his performance against Leonard is quite suspect but not sure if we can base it on that alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeTHX! I never knew the effects Marvin suffered. I'd have to accept that was the kind of fight where both fighters leave something in the ring they can never get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellDefinitely ruined Mugabe, but Hagler took a pounding and some have said HE was never quite the same after that either. Haglers face at the end was really fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I just can't get over Marvin hagler's face at the end of the fight. My God he is almost unrecognizable. If that fight had gone another five rounds I think his eyes would have swollen shut.
Yeah, Hagler never was quite marked up like THAT. Who knows..... Like I said maybe you're right about the lingering effects, if only psychologically. Hagler's last three fights in order were: Hearns, Mugabi, Leonard. Something happened in there in that the Hagler that answered the bell for Leonard was totally different than the one that came out against Hearns. This (Leonard) is one of those "rematches-that-never-were" that I would've loved to see.
He can count his blessings that he still has his faculties, speaks well.
https://youtu.be/Zs7utikKpzk
I could kick myself for losing a blessing of 2 videos of him, one I was at a clinic front row. The other was him speaking at IBHOF banquet. He was ROASTED!;D DANG-IT!! I can only talk about it. The previous night in Canastota-not sure how i ended up in this small entrance from the back up Grazi's pub (guess I was roasted too:rolleyes:), in comes 2 guys and Marvin. I wanted to ask for autograph or photo so bad, but they got him in that area to keep from getting mobbed by the fans, so I played it cool.
He spoke 1st!:D
"Hey what's goin on"
Me and my ghetto tendencies popped out and replied "Baby bruh, Marvelous Marv what it do? Everythang is everythang can ya dig it?"O0
He laughed! & said oh yeah I can dig it
Oh, now I remember!!! ok I was hanging with a photographer who was cool with Michael Carbajal- they kept joking I looked like Celestino Cabalero (which I DO NOT!) he went to his/someone's car & joked I need my bodyguard, Yo Celistino!! When we got in that backdoor...thats how I met Marv. Looked like a Welter at best, but that was years after he retired 2010 or so.
16mm transfer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1IOPl_8iWQ
33 years ago, Pernell Whitaker was no crafty technician. Not yet a brilliant counter puncher with an illusive defense. Going in against Roger Mayweather he was 11-0 standing in the pocket, no running! Grabbed the victory by fighting toe to toe.
https://youtu.be/p1LwtKabIkE